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Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Ferrari is testing this... thing.



Doesnt look P1, P2, DP, GTE, DTM, SuperGT or anything in between. Odd.

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BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Cygni posted:

Ferrari is testing this... thing.



Doesnt look P1, P2, DP, GTE, DTM, SuperGT or anything in between. Odd.

I heard it was using the V6 F1 engine so in a roundabout way testing that thing without using an F1 car. They also said they're toying with making a prototype but they've always toyed with that.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Looks almost Time Attack to me.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



BMB5150 posted:

I heard it was using the V6 F1 engine so in a roundabout way testing that thing without using an F1 car.
People always speculate on this on forums and stuff but seriously just running on a dyno would be better than testing the engine in a bizzaro frankencar. All you would really learn is 'yes, the engine runs outdoors in a car'...

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Cygni posted:

People always speculate on this on forums and stuff but seriously just running on a dyno would be better than testing the engine in a bizzaro frankencar. All you would really learn is 'yes, the engine runs outdoors in a car'...

Only other thing I can think of is another Zonda R/FXX/gently caress Off Car for no better reason to be on the track. If we had GT1 rules of Mercedes/Porsche/McLaren hey day of the late 90s then it would definitely fit that.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


That's not a new Glickenhaus car, is it?

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

Cygni posted:

People always speculate on this on forums and stuff but seriously just running on a dyno would be better than testing the engine in a bizzaro frankencar. All you would really learn is 'yes, the engine runs outdoors in a car'...

There's 1001 things you can't test on a dyno, vibration being a big one as well as environmental heat. There's also drivability issues where your special snowflake driver hates an engine map that looks perfect on the computer screen. Plus there's the noise Di Montezemelo has been making about a return to Le Mans recently.

When I was on placement we spent a lot of time working on engine maps for one particular snowflake driver and apparently ended up with a map that most other drivers would hate.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



The only other thing I can guess is they're pulling a Mercedes and trying to simulate a possible prototype by throwing mounds of downforce onto the car and see if the engine and stuff will be worth trying. Mercedes test mule for the CLK GTR was this modified McLaren F1.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



jammyozzy posted:

There's 1001 things you can't test on a dyno, vibration being a big one as well as environmental heat. There's also drivability issues where your special snowflake driver hates an engine map that looks perfect on the computer screen.
But the thing is, you can't test things like vibration and environmental heat in a frakencar like that. It doesn't have the F1 car's airflow, the drive train packaging, the suspension, the wheelbase, nothin. Even the mappings would be way off because the car isnt running the correct grip, so all the rev marks and flows are gonna be wrong.

With the modern 'full assembly' dynos and stuff F1 teams have, I just can't see you really learning anything useful at all with an F1 engine jammed in another car.

e: ^^^^ I think BMB is onto it.

Cygni fucked around with this message at Jan 4, 2014 around 21:41

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

I should have clarified, I meant wedging it into something vaguely prototype shaped and testing it with Le Mans in mind, I suspect you're right there'll be little if anything to gain for the F1 program. And you absolutely could get a handle on vibration etc. with a frankenstein car like that, as long as the ride rates are about there you can go and rattle the car around and see what comes loose or breaks. BMB probably is right on the money.

Again I didn't mean to suggest they were testing engine mapping right now, it was just meant to be an example of poo poo that looks good as a set of graphs and in a simulator, and then the driver on the track on the day throws his hands up and declares it worthless.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



So the new position lights in USCR showed up today... They are gonna straight up tell the crowd what place the cars are in.



Apparently its pretty big (roughly ipad sized) and it seems a little cheesy... but I think it will make the endurance races a lot easier to follow for the fans at the track.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Cygni posted:

So the new position lights in USCR showed up today... They are gonna straight up tell the crowd what place the cars are in.



Apparently its pretty big (roughly ipad sized) and it seems a little cheesy... but I think it will make the endurance races a lot easier to follow for the fans at the track.

GT3 did this last year at 24 Hrs of Spa. They had some bugs since I saw some cars with 00 and I think some fell off. Only problem I heard is the placement can get in the way of sponsors.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.


Cygni posted:

People always speculate on this on forums and stuff but seriously just running on a dyno would be better than testing the engine in a bizzaro frankencar. All you would really learn is 'yes, the engine runs outdoors in a car'...
Of course it's not an either-or situation. It'll have been dyno tested to death. Even if it's not a perfect replication of an F1 car, it would at least provide further confidence that they won't turn up at the first test and find there is some vibration or g-force issue. With so little time and testing between Jerez and the first race, they can't afford to lose a single day.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



So Ganassi team is going home because they can't get the engine to last. Yeah you may have posted the fastest time for the day with McMurray but if you can't last 2 hours without engine problems, those Ford's are going to have some problems during the race. Why I wouldn't bet the P2 cars from not working for having engines with good endurance while Chevy and Ford have new engines.

And as much as I like midweek motorsports, jesus christ the fans are insufferable. Yes Patrick Dempsey is wearing a watch that isn't a Rolex or Tudor. Who gives a gently caress?! Also yes broadcasting sucks, you know why? It's less popular than every stick and ball sport and won't be followed extensively like in Europe. Stop your whining, it's not doing anything. /rant

You Am I
May 20, 2001

I will decide who posts John Howard pictures in this thread and the circumstances in which they post.


gret posted:

I only finally found out today that Tudor is a watch brand. I was all set to ask how a watch brand can sponsor USCC when Rolex sponsors their first and biggest race before I also found out that Tudor is owned by Rolex.

I have a 1920s Tudor Rose Rolex watch

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Sounds like the Ford is overheating the header. It's the same problem Honda had with their IndyCar engines, which lead to the 'heatbag' or header bag that Honda added around the primaries.


The Shank car is parked too.

e: Confirmation from Pruett

quote:

RACER has learned the Michael Shank Racing team will follow Ganassi's lead and conclude their test effective immediately. The Ford EcoBoost-powered cars suffered exhaust header failures, and with the extreme heat generated by the turbo systems, the risk of fire was too great to continue. "We're still getting everything in shape and we're making great progress, but there's still work to do," said Shank.

Cygni fucked around with this message at Jan 5, 2014 around 02:13

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Yeah those teams may be a bit behind but with how much practice there is they may not get too far behind losing a day. Dagys has reported Muscle Milk has confirmed going to Le Mans and Pickett will drive.

Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty



Good good, they've been invited to P1 before but quite sensibly decided to gently caress that noise. In P2 they can at least be there or thereabouts.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Dudley posted:

Good good, they've been invited to P1 before but quite sensibly decided to gently caress that noise. In P2 they can at least be there or thereabouts.

It'll be good that they will get help from Nissan and Hughes de Chaunac or Oreca to compete for Le Mans.

And the last day updates from Marshall Pruett. So far a Porsche and ESM car have crashed and Graham Rahal is saying the Corvette is sandbagging since they have straightaway speed supremacy.
http://www.racer.com/imsa-roar-befo...article/327978/

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Testing is over and I'd say if we didn't hear a bitchfest about something or cars flying then mission accomplished by IMSA. Also some guy is giving us what it looks like at Daytona.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AknxOI5J8y4

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik


I like how there's no loving mistaking the C7.R by sound when it goes by, not unlike the 458s.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



devmd01 posted:

I like how there's no loving mistaking the C7.R by sound when it goes by, not unlike the 458s.

Getting a little harder with all of the PC Oreca's with Chevy engines, the DPs with their Chevy engines, the BMW's grunt, and the Aston Martin's grunt. I'm totally supporting more grunting cars then whining ones.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


devmd01 posted:

I like how there's no loving mistaking the C7.R by sound when it goes by, not unlike the 458s.

The Astons sound like God, too.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007





VikingSkull posted:

The Astons sound like God, too.

The Astons always sound like god (late-era GTS 575s and then Astons, holy shiiiiiit) and the Corvettes always sound like a black-metal god. I'm not hugely pro-American when it comes to cars but if I was at Le Mans I'd be waving the flag like crazy just because those Vettes sound AMAZING.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


That's why I never give a poo poo when people trash American cars. Whenever they show a Vette or Viper thundering down Mulsanne, the crowd is always going nuts because it's such a spectacle.

Other people may do V8's marginally better, but American V8's are the best V8's

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

The first look at the Formula-e car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q3jTxTcIn4

My first thought that getting 20 cars to whine like that could be cool, but then I realized the awkward silence in the crowd that was watching the car. So...

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



I can just see fans of other series casually flipping the races on, then falling out of their chair laughing on the first pit stop.

If the FIA's plan here is to boost electric cars and get rid of their stigma, I don't think the chinese fire drill pit stops are gonna help.

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!



Looks neat, but it does seem quite awkward without any sort of engine noise. Maybe it might change after I watch a proper race.

*edit*
http://www.racer.com/formula-e-car-...article/328174/

quote:

As part of the event, the Formula E car was also driven along the famous Las Vegas Strip by di Grassi under police escort, finishing at the world-famous Caesars Palace Hotel and Casino.

"Caesars Palace has been passionate about auto sports since its early days when it hosted the Caesars Palace Grand Prix, said Tariq Shaukat, Caesars Entertainment's Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer.
Bullshit, if they really gave a drat about auto sports Vegas would have gotten the USGP before it went to Indy, would have supported ICS, supported ALMS, etc.

Bentai fucked around with this message at Jan 7, 2014 around 18:14

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

Cygni posted:

chinese fire drill pit stops

I am reminded of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_5cv0GFi9E

AceFace905
Feb 27, 2007


Bentai posted:

Looks neat, but it does seem quite awkward without any sort of engine noise. Maybe it might change after I watch a proper race.

*edit*
http://www.racer.com/formula-e-car-...article/328174/

Bullshit, if they really gave a drat about auto sports Vegas would have gotten the USGP before it went to Indy, would have supported ICS, supported ALMS, etc.

Passion doesn't necessarily justify throwing money into a sanctioning fee money pit. That said, perhaps Tariq Shaukat gets it better than whoever was running things at Caesar's 30 years ago (he's only been working there since 2012) and this might be the start of Caesar's Palace/Las Vegas keeping racing on/near the strip on a continuous basis.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Honestly the first thing I think of when I combine Caesar's Palace and motorsport is broken bones.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



Bentai posted:

Bullshit, if they really gave a drat about auto sports Vegas would have gotten the USGP before it went to Indy, would have supported ICS, supported ALMS, etc.

I'm kind of at lost as to how you get Formula E to be well supported enough without it being a "support race" first.

It makes more sense to me to have FE run the Long Beach weekend for example.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

The one big thing that Formula E has going for it is running a bunch of races during the NH Winter; which is usually a dead time for big motorsports - but its not a guarantee of success as A1GP shows. Street tracks in big cities are usually quite risky; especially if they don't generate the money that people want it to. I want it to be successful; but I can't see it lasting for long as a standalone series racing through the streets of London - they'll either switch to support races for other events, or go standalone around other tracks that don't get big events. Part of me wonders if part of it is trying a bunch of street circuits to see how good they'd be for racing before Bernie decides to steal them for Formula 1...

I'd also never expect it to race at Long Beach - for some reason, I can't see an FIA event wanting to be a support series for an IndyCar race - even Long Beach...

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Does anyone know where this stick of mystery bux for Formula E is coming from yet? They are flat out paying every venue on the schedule every single cost of the event, and paying the teams, and paying for the cars...

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Cygni posted:

Does anyone know where this stick of mystery bux for Formula E is coming from yet? They are flat out paying every venue on the schedule every single cost of the event, and paying the teams, and paying for the cars...

Well if it's Formula "E" than it's E-Cigarettes.

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

Cygni posted:

Does anyone know where this stick of mystery bux for Formula E is coming from yet? They are flat out paying every venue on the schedule every single cost of the event, and paying the teams, and paying for the cars...

Probably from a middle east oil sheik or prince or the usual type that backs these extravagant racing series.

Just as I finished typing that sentence, I realized it could not possibly be true. Why would an oil-producing country want to promote an anti-oil racing series?

Color me confused. It's astonishing there's this much hoopla and support behind the series this early in the game.

dentist toy box
Oct 9, 2012

There's a haint in the foothills of NC; the haint of the #3 chevy. The rich have formed a holy alliance to exorcise it but they'll never fucking catch him.




Maybe the oil sheik backing it is trying to make the series as awful and clownshoes as possible so no one takes electric cars seriously again.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





Personperson14 posted:

Maybe the oil sheik backing it is trying to make the series as awful and clownshoes as possible so no one takes electric cars seriously again.

The Electric Cars are really dumb guys stop buying them Series presented by GM, ExxonMobil, and Cloverleaf Trolley Co.

CactusWeasle
Aug 1, 2006
It's not a party until the bomb squad says it is

Personperson14 posted:

Maybe the oil sheik backing it is trying to make the series as awful and clownshoes as possible so no one takes electric cars seriously again.

Formula E hasnt had a single race yet and I already don't take it seriously

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dev null
Sep 3, 2003

ctOS actual


Personperson14 posted:

Maybe the oil sheik backing it is trying to make the series as awful and clownshoes as possible so no one takes electric cars seriously again.

That's pretty similar to the cars 2 plot

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