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Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Didn't Cyberpapacy win last time someone did Torg?

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Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Evil Mastermind posted:

I did it the first time around, but I faded after doing the Nile Empire and only getting about 3/4 of the way through Cyberpapacy. This redo is my attempt to redeem myself.

Ah, well, I thought your first time around with the Cyberpapacy was great so I'll vote for Orrosh. Or anything besides the Cyberpapacy. I wanna see new stuff!

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Dedman Walkin posted:

Let's talk about one of the cosms not covered in the old F&F review - I'll vote Orrosh.

I vote the same.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Chevalier Theleme is a pretty cool guy.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

There are no secrets about the actual Lucifuge?

Well, I do like how the Satan spawn are entirely aboveboard in their purpose and goals.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I think Mike Mearls sells whatever he's supposed to sell.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

quote:

necromechanikal

These games are always so silly.

I vote Retribution of Scyrah since I can't recall what that actually is.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

It seems to me like the elves probably should have worked on sending their gods home.

Plus, they have an 8 year limit on killing every human? That's a rough schedule to keep.

Now, Wizards have always been better than Fighters (don't believe their lies when they say that just happened in 3rd edition) but that's because none of Gygax's friends were ever as good as Robilar was so they needed the advantages.

Hypocrisy fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jul 1, 2015

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Goreshade sounds kind of like a loser. His back story is him losing a civil war and his modern day activities involve him trying to get to the Ice god and failing.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Man, that took some time to actually catch up with this thread. You're a machine Mors Rattus. Good job.

The elves just can't catch a break can they? There always seems to be so much about how they're bad and wrong.

The Cyriss faction has an interesting aesthetic but they're a bit boring besides that.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I vote Cygnar because I am a very boring person.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Plague of Hats posted:

Aren't there one or two aborted DtheDing F&Fs in the not too distant past, anyway?

I remember one. I don't think it got very far either.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Gimme all the skulls. Gimme Cryx.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I had assumed that Cyriss was not a benevolent force but I had not thought that their process of soul transfer actually stripped free will from the individual.

Or maybe the Iron Lich traitor is paranoid and crazy.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I'm hoping to hear more about Vintar Raelthorne IV. Not often you see a person gain and lose two empires.

So Skorne too I guess!

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Cataur obviously.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

You'd think Goreshade and Vintar Raelthorne IV would be able to hang out and share stories about not being King and also being crazy.

Aren't the Cyriss people wrong? Didn't we have some mercenary priest who discovered that their soul transfer process removed free will from the resulting automaton?

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I thought the implication was that the Convergence, though they think they are acting of their free will, are really being controlled by some unknown force in the background. I has assumed it was Cyriss and that Cyriss was not entirely what the Convergence thought she was.

Or perhaps I am misremembering what the entry said.

Sorry, I can't trust robot people!

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I don't understand Magic Deer. Is this some sort of reference?

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I don't see anything wrong with the magical king choosing deer. That was a bit of a let down.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Everything in Blue Rose seems to be on the level and yeah, it's nice to see a creation myth where there is forgiveness and reconciliation.

I think I'm seeing why people hated it though and it's not for good reasons.

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm no expert on the genre (which is why I left that part up to Kai Tave!), but my interpretation of the whole Magic Deer thing is that it creates a scenario where the heroes are in service of the crown, and the crown is unambiguously good.

There is no element of "well what if Queen Jaellin is an imperialistic exploiter and you're actually supposed to join the Shadow to overthrow her". For sure, there are plot hooks that involve domestic issues within the kingdom, but because of how the sovereign is picked, there's never supposed to be any doubt that maintaining the status quo is an ideal goal to constantly strive for.

This is kind of funny in hindsight because it seems pretty clear you should never join the Shadow.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

chiasaur11 posted:

World's Finest Comics #142?


The problem with this as a conflict is that the Hart

1) Is always right

and

2) Won't ever pick him, especially if he loving murders the ruler it picked out, how stupid can you get.

Divine right of kings wasn't generally taken as "God would never let there be a bad king", especially since the European tradition came after the biblical setup of "Most kings were poo poo." It was saying instead that the posting carried intrinsic authority from God, and if they really needed to go, he'd get around to it (Possibly by telling someone "Hey. Kill the current king. Don't worry, it's cool." Which would be awfully convenient if you were planning to kill the king anyway, and who's going to argue if you say God asked you to? I mean, if he wanted the king alive, he'd have done something, right?)

Here, the top authority is always the right person for the job, and nobody can argue it, because the deer picked them, and everybody agreed that rule #1 is you don't gently caress with the deer. Trying to take the posting is the same as saying "I KNOW WHO SHOULD BE KING BETTER THAN GOD, IN CASE ANYONE WAS WONDERING", and that does not strike me as an easy position to sell when things aren't going straight to hell. I mean, if the deer thought the boss really was loving up, it would fire them. Because that is one of the things it does. Heck, even if they were just making a huge mistake, it could show up to say "FYI? Don't do that." Because, again. It does that.

It seems like a conflict that exists primarily so the book's writers can say "See? We have internal conflict!" without actually making Aldis, you know, flawed in any real way.

It's almost enough to make you swear allegiance to the Lich King and start running around with giant skulls for pauldrons.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Cythereal posted:

Or plot to reduce the magic deer's chosen to a mere figurehead leader and he himself become the power behind the throne.

Yeah but then what would you do with all of your skull pauldrons?

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I find the "peace collar" in Blue Rose really creepy but I suppose it could be looked at like when a court orders someone to be medicated only it's actually mandatory...and a collar.

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Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I don't see any difference between the Freak and any other obnoxious GMPC really.

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