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Jack Gladney posted:The original or the new one from Marvel? And if it's the new one how do I go about fixing that problem?
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Jack Gladney posted:The original or the new one from Marvel? Sorry, the new one from Marvel; the old one has the bubbles intact. You can see the text in the rough drafts within the "making of" section, so I suppose it's kind of in there in a not at all satisfactory way.
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Jan 8, 2015 18:11
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I'm guessing this is in all issues? There's no point in me going to the shop, and opening the bag to check whatever page for the text bubble? (I haven't picked up this week's issues yet, and didn't want to waste their time/inventory.)
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Jan 8, 2015 18:42
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IUG posted:I'm guessing this is in all issues? There's no point in me going to the shop, and opening the bag to check whatever page for the text bubble? (I haven't picked up this week's issues yet, and didn't want to waste their time/inventory.) It appears so, yeah.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:19
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Quesada must be thrilled that the trend is holding.
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Jan 8, 2015 22:26
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The only downside is Alan Moore's name is not on it as he would be having some epic meltdowns. He got pissed when a printing error forgot his name on Captain Britain, I can not imagine what would happen now.
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Jan 8, 2015 22:28
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Not gonna lie, I thought the all-black bubbles were an effect, like, Bates is back and this time he's an unfathomable cosmic horror
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Jan 8, 2015 22:47
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The original is creepy... But the production error?  I would actually buy this as an Alan Moore "We don't get to know what he says to terrify her. We are no longer privy to the Ubermench's words" use of the medium, if I didn't know otherwise. Dialogue is available on the pencil pages in the back, though. 
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Jan 8, 2015 23:23
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Hey, how was Kid Miracleman able to be normal enough to build a software company in the first place? He seems pretty nuts from the first time Mike meets him as an adult. Was he just like content to be a regular serial killer or what? He doesn't seem like a guy who could just go to work and get groceries and stuff without skinning some people or something.
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So do you think they'll send out fixed copies or are they gonna shrug and say wait for the trade?Jack Gladney posted:Hey, how was Kid Miracleman able to be normal enough to build a software company in the first place? He seems pretty nuts from the first time Mike meets him as an adult. Was he just like content to be a regular serial killer or what? He doesn't seem like a guy who could just go to work and get groceries and stuff without skinning some people or something. He seemed to be content being completely above everyone and essentially running the world and having humans as his playthings. Having that taken away for even a second is really what brought out his madness.
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Jan 9, 2015 00:17
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The digital one is has no error
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Jan 9, 2015 04:20
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Kid Miracleman's life story post Dragon Slayer always confused me a little, did he have any clue regarding the deception or not? Because if he continued to think Gargunza was responsible for the bomb, why didn't he track him down? Did KM not notice the sudden absence of all his old enemies and the alien civilisations he once freely interacted with?
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Jack Gladney posted:Hey, how was Kid Miracleman able to be normal enough to build a software company in the first place? He seems pretty nuts from the first time Mike meets him as an adult. Was he just like content to be a regular serial killer or what? He doesn't seem like a guy who could just go to work and get groceries and stuff without skinning some people or something.  He's undoubtedly degenerated after he got the rush of cutting loose as an adult and then got beaten up and repressed, too.
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Spoilers Below posted:I would actually buy this as an Alan Moore "We don't get to know what he says to terrify her. We are no longer privy to the Ubermench's words" use of the medium, if I didn't know otherwise. That's what I thought too. I think the bit with the bullies is arguably stronger in the version with the error, as Kid Miracleman's words in those panels don't really add anything that the solid black bubbles don't.
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I haven't really jumped into this despite being excited that it is actually back in print, mostly because of the prices. Thought I would trade-wait on it only to find that it would only be marginally cheaper to buy the reprinted first trade than it would to buy one of the incredibly out of print ones from a few decades ago. Is it worth it? And to those who have read both the old and the recolored ones, do the changes detract?
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Lurdiak posted:So do you think they'll send out fixed copies or are they gonna shrug and say wait for the trade? I doubt they'll offer any kind of exchange. They have the text just a few pages later in that issue. Maybe a second printing. Also, for what it's worth, I got a variant cover apparently (according to ComicbookDB), and I also didn't have the text. IUG fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 21:36
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bairfanx posted:I haven't really jumped into this despite being excited that it is actually back in print, mostly because of the prices. Thought I would trade-wait on it only to find that it would only be marginally cheaper to buy the reprinted first trade than it would to buy one of the incredibly out of print ones from a few decades ago. Is it worth it? And to those who have read both the old and the recolored ones, do the changes detract? i hate the recolor, but most people here like it i think. also the new edition censors some racial slurs i think?
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bairfanx posted:And to those who have read both the old and the recolored ones, do the changes detract?    
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CapnAndy posted:Judge for yourself! Blech, mixed feelings. Some of that looks good (like fixing up MM's skin to not be purple) but the desire to make all of the things more realistic looking is disappointing. The top recolor almost feels like it belongs in the DC house style.
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Jan 9, 2015 22:51
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i just loving hate that gradient poo poo.
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Jan 9, 2015 23:42
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Yeah, it blows my mind that some people apparently think this is an improvement.
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How many issues is this supposed to be in the end?
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Anyone else think it'd be worth starting a spoiler thread?
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There was a spoiler thread, but it dropped off the live forums from lack of use. At this point it would just be for the Gaiman stories, right?
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Thank you guys for not spoiling it, haha. I won't be able to get my issues until the weekend at the earliest, but now I know I have something to look forward to. Now to ignore this thread for a few days.
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Does anyone else find it a bit odd that in an R-rated book filled with some of the most horrific and gruesome imagery ever drawn in a comic, of people having their skin hung up on clotheslines, women and children having their arms ripped off and eyes torn out, bodies impaled and dismembered in every way imaginable and even child nudity, the one thing they decide to censor is a racial epithet?
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The Goon posted:Does anyone else find it a bit odd that in an R-rated book filled with some of the most horrific and gruesome imagery ever drawn in a comic, of people having their skin hung up on clotheslines, women and children having their arms ripped off and eyes torn out, bodies impaled and dismembered in every way imaginable and even child nudity, the one thing they decide to censor is a racial epithet? No, because the violence it recalls is much worse than tons of fictional people dying in a fictional massacre? There isn't even a case to make for the use of it in context, it's just Alan Moore being clueless about racism, a cluelessness he would recall years later when putting the goddamn Golliwog in LXG.
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ElNarez posted:No, because the violence it recalls is much worse than tons of fictional people dying in a fictional massacre? There isn't even a case to make for the use of it in context, it's just Alan Moore being clueless about racism, a cluelessness he would recall years later when putting the goddamn Golliwog in LXG. Anyway. So! Now that everyone knows why Miracleman is so highly regarded, what do you think? 
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Still one of the best comics about super beings doing what they do. I forget if the original printing censored that word. bairfanx posted:Blech, mixed feelings. Some of that looks good (like fixing up MM's skin to not be purple) but the desire to make all of the things more realistic looking is disappointing. The top recolor almost feels like it belongs in the DC house style. I still think you are loving nuttier than a shithouse buzzard but at the same time the B&W was still my favorite. V For Vendetta in color should never have been done though.
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I know that this whole series is supposed to be a deconstruction and unconventional and crazy, but I kinda wish there'd been more of a normal fight. You get the scene of everyone confronting Bates, then everything kinda goes weird. Miraclewoman dies(?) with little fanfare and then Aza Chorn and Miracleman go on their acid trip adventure for a while. Then Bates somehow shows up from out of nowhere, then Chorn teleports them back to London. When did Bates leave London and how did he find Chorn and Miracleman? Who cares that's not important stop asking questions. After that it's a really short fight leading up to the climax. (Plus the climax was kinda weird. Teleporting a rock into Bates hurts him, but somehow being teleported into the arch didn't hurt him because...?) It's like... most of the series so far all the trippiness and aliens and wonder-babies have been slowly introduced, which has been slowly changing the tone of the book. But then Bates comes back in like a blast from the past evil villain in overdrive and the story seems like it's trying to keep the tone it has for the last few issues while also having a villain fight, but it doesn't really work because (for me at least) they're two great tastes that just don't taste great together.
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I don't think Miracleman or the Firedrake were prepared for what they saw in London, even (or especially) after the euphoric mindfuck to outer space. The Warpsmith allowed the Firedrake to buy him time while he purchased more power, and the second part of this fight (during the weird, brown Apocrypha scene) happened in the backmatter of issue 2, if that helps at all. Honestly, i don't care much about tactical realism, even if it is in a "what if superheroes were real?" comic like this, but your mileage may vary. I'm don't think anything like this had been done before this issue was originally published, which was 1988 at this point. (When did this story begin, 83?) e: Oh man, this issues backmatter is Legendary. Well, to me at least, since Miracleman has been one of my favorite superhero stories for a dozen years and yet I've never seen half of this stuff! Blind Marvin fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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So is Miraclewoman still alive or what, it didn't look like much of a hit compared to what it took to take out everyone else.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I forget if the original printing censored that word. It didn't, I just checked. It works for me as just another way in which KM is a complete dick, but I can understand how others might feel differently.
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I've read Miracleman before but I was wondering, in this recent issue what's the significance of that one odd panel shape that's constantly used in the chapter? You know this one in the centre of the page: That particular shape shows up all the time in the issue at different angles and even gets used multiple times in the same page. It's an obvious stylistic choice but I can't figure out the significance or symbolism behind it.
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I guess it looks like the SHAZAM! symbol, or a shard of broken glass, or both, but honestly I never thought about it much until now.
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This thread shoulda gotten bumped with #16's release. So, then... Peak Alan Moore in that one, huh, as he basically describes his idea of utopia. I personally always found it pretty eye-rolling (yes Alan, we get it, you love sex and drugs and man-made gods and anarchy, my issue is that you don't seem to understand that other people might disagree or that you might not be right). This also ends Moore's run on the book. Neil Gaiman picks it up next issue, and for those of you who agree with me on the whole perfect-Moorian-society being not that perfect, you'll be happy to hear that Gaiman thinks there are flaws too. For those of you who disagree, you'll be happy to know that he's very respectful -- he doesn't knock down what Moore did at all, he just begins to explore it.
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