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Helsing posted:There was no "checkers" scandal. Nixon was asked on television whether he had ever taken gifts while in office and his response was to say that he had once been given a dog but that his family loved that dog and named it Checkers and that there was no way in hell he was giving it back. "Checkers" was an early sound bite where Nixon was able to deflect attention away from the possibility he was corrupt by being folksy and it worked extremely well (ironically this gave Nixon a reputation as someone who was great at manipulating this new fangled television thing, a reputation that he would dramatically fail to live up to during the Nixon-Kennedy debates). Besides that political "precedent" arguments are just terrible in general. Confounding variables and single data points simply make them extremely bad at prediction. When people bring up trivia like that- it's interesting historically but there's nothing you can do with it. Besides that the mood of the electorate changes quickly, you can't say "Nixon blah blah" because Nixon himself (the impeachment) had huge impact on how people view the president. Anyway no loving way he comes back from this, but then again I never thought he had a chance in the first place. He simply won't (wouldn't) have broad appeal once people actually look a bit deeper and he starts getting grilled by other candidates. He's always been pure name recognition.
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Continuing with the off topic trivia, how did we end up with two dog related scandals within 10 years?
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hobbesmaster posted:Continuing with the off topic trivia, how did we end up with two dog related scandals within 10 years? Americans love dogs. Presidents love dogs. Presidents get accused of dumb poo poo. Eventually they're gonna collide. Frankly, if every scandal involved a cute puppy, more people would be into politics.
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AP has him getting booed at super bowl ceremony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEm5DhHuWj8 Comments calling AP commie follow
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Christie is now using statements by David Wildstein's high school social studies teacher to discredit him. Wildstein is 53.
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DJ BK posted:AP has him getting booed at super bowl ceremony. To be honest I can't hear any booing in that video, just a sort of low drone that sounds like an airplane. Maybe they should've used another source.
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Joementum posted:Christie is now using statements by David Wildstein's high school social studies teacher to discredit him. And Christie appointed him! How does this make him look much better?
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Joementum posted:Christie is now using statements by David Wildstein's high school social studies teacher to discredit him. At the rate this is devolving, one of them is going to challenge the other to meet him out behind the bleachers for a punchup after school, and the entire playground will simultaneously go "oooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo." Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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beatlegs posted:To be honest I can't hear any booing in that video, just a sort of low drone that sounds like an airplane. Maybe they should've used another source. So they're saying "Boo-urns?"
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beatlegs posted:To be honest I can't hear any booing in that video, just a sort of low drone that sounds like an airplane. Maybe they should've used another source.
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hobbesmaster posted:Continuing with the off topic trivia, how did we end up with two dog related scandals within 10 years? The US has had a lot of dog related scandals. 
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Dusseldorf posted:The US has had a lot of dog related scandals. So is that animal abuse or folksy charm?
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All this does is breathe new life into the story of how Christie ran roughshod over the student government of the University of Delaware. The TPM story linked to is better, so here it is. skaboomizzy fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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I knew they were throwing him under the bus, I didn't realize they were going to bury him too. If they're running that scared it really must be worse than we thought. Maybe there really is a piece of smoking gun evidence out there waiting to turn up?
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Christie's hosed, that email is embarrassing and desperate.
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I mean it's been said by everyone else but: wiki posted:In 2010, Wildstein was appointed by newly-installed Governor Chris Christie's senior representative at the Port Authority, Bill Baroni, to serve as the agency's director of interstate capital projects, making Wildstein the second highest-ranking Christie political appointee among the agency's executives, after Baroni himself. Why is Christie releasing oppo on this guy like he was running against him? Is this another weird staffer just kicking into automatic defense mode? Will Christie hold a press conference distancing himself from the author of this file, then release oppo research on them?  Is Chris Christie actually a weird, incompetent idiot? e: Christie is accusing another person of being "contentious" and "a political animal"
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more friedman units posted:Christie's hosed, that email is embarrassing and desperate. Exactly. If Christie knew Wildstein was that big an rear end in a top hat, Christie is the guy who appointed him to a six-figure position in the Port Authority. So again we're going on the "corrupt vs incompetent" argument, except it's leaning a lot more towards "corrupt" at this point. Once enough high-level cronies flip, Christie is gonna get impeached. I'm guessing most of the people with evidence against Christie also have it against the Lt. Gov, so get ready for a shitshow.
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That is not an article I would point people to if I wanted to put distance between Chris Christie and David Wildstein. Like, at all. It's a bafflingly stupid thing to draw attention to under these circumstances.that same 2012 article posted:Eight current and past Port Authority colleagues agreed to speak about Wildstein, but insisted that their identities remain undisclosed because they feared retribution. They described Wildstein, one of 50 recommended for jobs by the Christie administration, as intimidating, hardworking, intelligent, private and fiercely loyal to the governor. http://www.northjersey.com/news/ny_metro/030312_Ex-blogger_is_Governor_Christies_man_inside_the_Port_Authority.html?c=y&page=1 c.f. http://www.northjersey.com/news/transportation/The_Record_Shawn_Boburg_supporting_documents.html
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It only makes sense if Christie and his staff are in total meltdown to the point that they can't spot obvious political blunders. Jesus, maybe there really IS some smoking-gun email or text message from Christie telling them to pull the trigger. This level of flailing and bunker mentality, what else could it be?
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Assuming Christie gets impeached, how does that process work? Is it like on the federal level, tried by (state) Senate with 2/3 (27 votes) to convict?
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Gen. Ripper posted:Assuming Christie gets impeached, how does that process work? Is it like on the federal level, tried by (state) Senate with 2/3 (27 votes) to convict? I think this lays it all out. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/lawsconstitution/constitution.asp But basically quote:SECTION III
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It's also incredibly rare for impeachment to be brought up against governors in the US. Only something like 14 cases in the entire country since the early 1800's. If it gets to that point, which is looking likely, Christie would probably resign. Though I could easily see him pulling a Blagojevich and fighting till the bitter end.
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more friedman units posted:This level of flailing and bunker mentality, what else could it be? Pushback from the donors he's courting adding fuel to the fire, maybe? I'm sure the whole office gets to hear about it at great volume when a Somebody gets skittish. I'm not familiar with his background, but have his staff ever had to handle a real clusterfuck where they didn't have the upper hand? Could also just be amateur hour.
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The actual message that they're putting out her isn't for the media or the public, it's for the other potential turncoats. They're signaling that they're willing to dig up dirt that covers the entire career of the staffers involved and then some. Wildstein coming out and saying that Christie was behind it all is bad enough, someone else deciding to rat him out would sink his presidential hopes and possibly lead to impeachment. Hell, it could even lead to him doing jail time, although I find that idea pretty unlikely.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The actual message that they're putting out her isn't for the media or the public, it's for the other potential turncoats. They're signaling that they're willing to dig up dirt that covers the entire career of the staffers involved and then some. Wildstein coming out and saying that Christie was behind it all is bad enough, someone else deciding to rat him out would sink his presidential hopes and possibly lead to impeachment. Hell, it could even lead to him doing jail time, although I find that idea pretty unlikely. I mean, sure you could see that angle but it's so loving petty that it reads more like "We are a sinking ship and now is the time the run the gently caress away"
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A big flaming stink posted:I mean, sure you could see that angle but it's so loving petty that it reads more like "We are a sinking ship and now is the time the run the gently caress away" I doubt much personal thought went into it other than giving the order to smear him. Wildstein became a political enemy and Christie's team is reacting. It might be a poor strategy but I don't think it reads as a sinking ship (yet). It's just a standard smearing with talking points, probably made in advance. Until there is direct evidence linking Christie to the bridge order I think there's a small chance he'll come out of this with a comeback story.
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Be careful or else he'll bring up the one time your teacher said that you weren't being as productive as you could be.
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HackerJoeGuy posted:Though I could easily see him pulling a Blagojevich and fighting till the bitter end. There's always an outside chance he'll join D'Souza on the 'any perceived wrongdoing on my part is an Obama conspiracy' train.
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Xandu posted:And Christie appointed him! How does this make him look much better? David Wildstein was even appointed by Chris Christie, a man twice accused of shutting down a bridge for political payback. Can you trust a man like David Wildstein? Vote Chris Christie for President.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The actual message that they're putting out her isn't for the media or the public, it's for the other potential turncoats. They're signaling that they're willing to dig up dirt that covers the entire career of the staffers involved and then some. Wildstein coming out and saying that Christie was behind it all is bad enough, someone else deciding to rat him out would sink his presidential hopes and possibly lead to impeachment. Hell, it could even lead to him doing jail time, although I find that idea pretty unlikely. His Presidential hopes are already dashed.
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Helsing posted:His Presidential hopes are already dashed. I think he can recover from what we've seen so far. This has damaged him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him head up the GOP ticket in 2016.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I think he can recover from what we've seen so far. This has damaged him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him head up the GOP ticket in 2016. Maybe if he shows any of his supposed cunning and political savvy in dealing with this. Right now, even if he enters, his opponents can just beat him to death with this? What's his rebuttal going to be? Wildstein was mean to me in high school?
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He might make the GOP ticket in 2016 but there is no way he's getting elected as it stands right now.
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He was already a long shot and now his overall national numbers are negative and likely to get worse as more people learn about him through this scandal. This scandal is destroying his main asset in the GOP primary, which would have been his ability to claim he was more 'electable'. Republicans may like a guy who talks tough and bashes unions but at the end of the day Christie was never all that popular to begin with amongst large swathes of the GOP. Having a very damaging scandal attached to his name that is pulling down his national numbers right at the moment when donors start to think about the 2016 race is devastating. He isn't getting nominated.
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At this point, hasn't he lost too much of the support from Democrats he'd have needed to win a general election?
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eviltastic posted:Pushback from the donors he's courting adding fuel to the fire, maybe? I'm sure the whole office gets to hear about it at great volume when a Somebody gets skittish. Let's remember that this is at least 3 separate clusterfucks, at minimum 2 of them federal. 1) Sandy relief funds used for personal campaigning purposes. 2) Sandy relief funds used for blackmail/quid pro quo purposes. 3) Bridge lane closings.
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api call girl posted:Let's remember that this is at least 3 separate clusterfucks, at minimum 2 of them federal. Report (.pdf) posted:Among impacted residents in the panel survey, the vast majority (75%) say that people like them have largely been forgotten in the recovery effort - including (85%) of those still displaced and (64%) of those who have returned to their homes. Only (25%) of those surveyed feel that the state's recovery effort has focused on helping them.
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