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The Chase?
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Augh 46 32.39%
gently caress 96 67.61%
Total: 142 votes
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shyduck
Oct 3, 2003



It's gonna be Jimmie again, who are they fooling

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Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014
Lardroom


shyduck posted:

It's gonna be Jimmie again, who are they fooling

It all depends on the results at Homestead.

Fun fact: Homestead is one of Jimmie Johnson's weaker tracks. Gee, I wonder if that factored into the decision...

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Harveygod posted:

It all depends on the results at Homestead.

Fun fact: Homestead is one of Jimmie Johnson's weaker tracks. Gee, I wonder if that factored into the decision...

That's how Roush has a few more championships since they're good there. That's how Labonte has 3 championships since he was magic at Atlanta. Honestly if to make things more unpredictable, make the final race unknown until the chase and switch it up. Change it up so it's not like everyone is focusing on loving Homestead like they do for Daytona.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





Have the final race be a random draw. Like a big ol wheel of fortune after whichever race is 35. *ding* Watkins Glen in November, enjoy.

LASTCAR
Mar 25, 2010

I like the drivers
you never hear about
in the cars
you never see
who finish in the position
you never want




VikingSkull posted:



Hell hath froze over.

I'm imagining Brian France playing Scrooge in "A Christmas Story" being shown this by the Ghost of NASCAR Future.

shyduck
Oct 3, 2003



The "random race" would be Vegas and you all know it

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak



Move the Daytona 500 to be the last race of the season.

Boomer The Cannon
Oct 27, 2011

Gotta see it live!




Rockford Speedway or Irwindale Speedway

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Bruton Smith moving forward with making an exact replica of Nordschleife.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik


VikingSkull posted:



Hell hath froze over.

Good enough for Brian Barnhart, doesn't Indycar want to run a winter offseason?

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.


So I guess they want to be more like the NFL playoffs? Well, here's the thing, the reason I watch less towards the end of the year as a newer, casual fan is because the NFL is on. There is nothing you can do to NASCAR that will make me change the channel from a live Eagles game or the RedZone channel. The problem isn't that you aren't similar enough to the NFL...it's that you are on at the same time. Even though it's early in the year, every regular season game in the NFL counts a lot for every team. Maybe NASCAR should work on trying to find a way they can say the same for every race and every driver? Instead of shrinking the pool of races that matter for every driver? Maybe.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008





I like this system, as I'm a huge fan of roller derby and this system could bring in some real roller derby moments for NASCAR. Picture this: 5 Laps to go at New Hampshire II and JR still doesn't have a win. All of a sudden, Jimmiebot, Gordon, and Kasey go three wide and flat out. They bump all the cars on the lead lap out of the way (not violating the 100% rule because they are going for it) and then they wipe each other out in the last corner and Dale gets the win!

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


If you watch NASCAR seriously for any other reason other than to see Stewart pad his legacy, you might as well just staple your balls to a gopher.

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009



VikingSkull posted:

If you watch NASCAR seriously for any other reason other than to see Stewart pad his legacy, you might as well just staple your balls to a gopher.

I'll have you know I'm watching in the futile hopes that Kevin Harvick will get the Championship he was robbed of, sir.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



FuriousxGeorge posted:

So I guess they want to be more like the NFL playoffs? Well, here's the thing, the reason I watch less towards the end of the year as a newer, casual fan is because the NFL is on. There is nothing you can do to NASCAR that will make me change the channel from a live Eagles game or the RedZone channel. The problem isn't that you aren't similar enough to the NFL...it's that you are on at the same time. Even though it's early in the year, every regular season game in the NFL counts a lot for every team. Maybe NASCAR should work on trying to find a way they can say the same for every race and every driver? Instead of shrinking the pool of races that matter for every driver? Maybe.

Theoretically it's not too bad to go against Football if you plan it correctly.

Having races in Kansas, Chicagoland, Texas, and Miami on NFL Sunday's is dumb because those market's are generally on the fence in regards to supporting the sport anyway.

If you're having a 1 pm game against the Chiefs, Bears, Cowboys and (to a lesser extent) Dolphins? You're going to lose every time.

Now, if you angle it that it focuses on your traditional markets, that are "meh" on NFL Football? You have a shot. Those would be pretty much SEC Country (Alabama, Tennessee, The Carolinas, Georgia, Florida), and they generally seem to be on the fence in regards to supporting the NFC/AFC South teams.

You shouldn't...however have the most important races focused on the time when the entire country is either focusing on college football, the NFL or Baseball.

...

To add, If the product was good, I would likely turn away from "FOOTBAW" to watch some racing. I've done it already with watching Indy over the disaster that is the Cleveland Browns franchise.

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CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Again, Torts took him to a very high mountain and showed him Nationwide and all its splendor.

"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will lay down and block for me." -Jackets 15:16



kidcoelacanth posted:

I'll have you know I'm watching in the futile hopes that Kevin Harvick will get the Championship he was robbed of, sir.

I've been waiting 12 years for the Drive for Five to be completed. It should've been done six years ago.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.


FuzzySkinner posted:

I've done it already with watching Indy over the disaster that is the Cleveland Browns franchise.

Yeah but I meant NFL teams not suicide cults.

Elfforkusu
Jan 15, 2011


I think these new rules are sweet! Opens the door for Smoke to straight up skip the Coke 600 to race Indy.

Eagerly awaiting to see how NASCAR overreacts the first time a big name does something like that...

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Elfforkusu posted:

I think these new rules are sweet! Opens the door for Smoke to straight up skip the Coke 600 to race Indy.

Eagerly awaiting to see how NASCAR overreacts the first time a big name does something like that...

They have to attempt all races. So that ain't happening.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak



BMB5150 posted:

They have to attempt all races. So that ain't happening.

Just attempt to qualify, right?

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

Keeper of the Secret


BMB5150 posted:

They have to attempt all races. So that ain't happening.

Attempt to qualify

e;

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak



Yeah I was just looking that rule up because if they didn't have the attempt to qualify for all races rule then Penske could get Juan a ride for the road course races and maybe the Brickyard and, if he happens to win one, he could run just the chase since the IndyCar season ends before the chase starts.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Grimey Drawer

Kwik posted:

So that we can properly criticize this, here are all the particulars:

- After race 26, the chase grid is set- the top 15, based on races won, and then point totals advance to the Chase Grid. The 16th slot is reserved for the points leader at the time, if he has not won a race. Otherwise, it goes on wins, if there is anyone on the outside looking in, or on points scored. The one proviso for this is that any race winner must be in the top 30 in the points standings after race 26 AND must have attempted to qualify for all 26 races. According to NASCAR the qualifying rule can be waived "in extreme circumstances", but the top-30 requirement is a firm one. The top 16 get their points total adjusted to 2,000 points plus 3 points for every win in the first 26 races.

Would the Indy 500 be an "extreme circumstance"? If not, why even have that loophole? Are the schedules offset enough that a driver could qualify at both tracks and get a relief driver for the Coca-Cola 600?

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FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



skaboomizzy posted:

Would the Indy 500 be an "extreme circumstance"? If not, why even have that loophole?

I just can't see NASCAR allowing drivers to run at Indy without some form of consequence.

Though to be fair Steve O'Donnell has said recently that if KuBu goes forward with the 500, they won't object.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012


skaboomizzy posted:

Would the Indy 500 be an "extreme circumstance"? If not, why even have that loophole? Are the schedules offset enough that a driver could qualify at both tracks and get a relief driver for the Coca-Cola 600?

I figured that loophole is for use as a save face card in case of another itchy arm incident.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Grimey Drawer

JuffoWup posted:

I figured that loophole is for use as a save face card in case of another itchy arm incident.

If someone (let's be honest, one of the Busch brothers) wins a race early and then does something to earn a suspension but still gets exempted into the Chase, what's the point of the suspension? Missing one week's purse won't hurt either of them too much, they'll still be on equal footing with other Chase drivers unless NASCAR says "Oh hey, you're starting the Chase with a 25 point handicap even though we never spelled that out previously because of section 12-4-A."

That's why this whole thing is so ridiculous. It's needlessly complicated and there are all these loopholes and gray areas so they can still just make up rules as they go along. It's starting to remind me of the XFL.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011

Step 3: I re-examine my personal biases



Lipstick Apathy

skaboomizzy posted:

Would the Indy 500 be an "extreme circumstance"? If not, why even have that loophole? Are the schedules offset enough that a driver could qualify at both tracks and get a relief driver for the Coca-Cola 600?

It's quite clearly there if someone wins 10 of the first 16 races, crashes and misses five races they can still get him in. It's pretty obvious guys.

I hate that NASCAR is so focused on keeping TV ratings during football season but I just don't give a gently caress, if you're going to do some dumb rear end format might as well be this one.

BMB5150 posted:

Steve loving Park was one race from being a champion in 2000

http://nascarnomics.com/wp-content/...y_final_v5.xlsx

Fun fact: Steve loving Park is one of the few who has won in the modifieds, K&N East, Trucks, Nationwide and Sprint Cup.

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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Yeah, the more I think about it the more I like this version of the Chase better. I'd rather have the old Winston points, but the current form is superior to the original. If you win a lot and have some bad finishes you're in, if you stroke the season and average 4th place finishes all year you might not get in.

Overall my opinion on this and qualifying is "meh".

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





VikingSkull posted:

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I like this version of the Chase better. I'd rather have the old Winston points, but the current form is superior to the original. If you win a lot and have some bad finishes you're in, if you stroke the season and average 4th place finishes all year you might not get in.

Overall my opinion on this and qualifying is "meh".

They could punish the Greg Biffles of the world by just paying 1000 points for first, 10 points for second, 9 for third, on down.

Kwik
Apr 4, 2006

You can't touch our beaver.


LordPants posted:

It's quite clearly there if someone wins 10 of the first 16 races, crashes and misses five races they can still get him in. It's pretty obvious guys.

I hate that NASCAR is so focused on keeping TV ratings during football season but I just don't give a gently caress, if you're going to do some dumb rear end format might as well be this one.


Fun fact: Steve loving Park is one of the few who has won in the modifieds, K&N East, Trucks, Nationwide and Sprint Cup.

Yeah. Random driver A winning 3 of the first 10, and then missing the next 16 because of an injury sustained in a crash is Extreme Circumstances. Random driver B wanting to pull double duty, or coming off of a suspension isn't.

As far as the double goes, qualifying isn't the major issue, with the way Indy qualifies, the issue is getting from Indy to Charlotte before the race starts. Right now they are timed so that, if Indy is relatively smooth, the double is doable. If there's rain, or a slew of cautions, or anything like that, anyone doing the double is gonna have to drop out of Indy early to get to Charlotte on time.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



Kwik posted:

As far as the double goes, qualifying isn't the major issue, with the way Indy qualifies, the issue is getting from Indy to Charlotte before the race starts. Right now they are timed so that, if Indy is relatively smooth, the double is doable. If there's rain, or a slew of cautions, or anything like that, anyone doing the double is gonna have to drop out of Indy early to get to Charlotte on time.

I'm always curious about what would happen if a driver pulling that off were to be in the position to win the race.

Let's say, yes, there has been a rain delay/caution filled race like there was in the late 90's/mid 2000's.

You're a driver of the level of the Busch Bros, Kevin Harvick, Keselowski, Allmendinger or Smoke. You've been running really good all day due to having a ride the level of Andretti/Penske/Ganassi. You've led around 20 laps, and are right now running top 5. You have a legitimate argument that you could win the race.

What do you do?

Also, what if the event runs smoothly and you do in fact win. Do you stay, drink the milk, and just in general celebrate the win? Or do you bail ASAP?

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



I love that they keep trying to make their sport more like the other popular sports, instead of trying to make the sport itself better...

Should we fix the lovely tires? Should we fix the aero dependence? Should we lower ticket prices to stop pricing out our fans? Should we build a website that actually makes sense? Should we add clauses in our TV contracts that penalize bad coverage (missing restarts while under commercial, commercials during green flags, etc)?

Naw, add a POINT AFTER attempt where if a driver can lead multiple green white checkereds in a row he gets BONUS POINTS!!!!

Muddy Burphy
Dec 4, 2010

The #RXT REVOLUTION has two words for ya..
SCOOP IT!



he knows...


Cygni posted:

(missing restarts while under commercial, commercials during green flags, etc)?

This is kind of a diversion of the point, but I haven't complained near as much about NASCAR TV coverage since I've seen how truly abysmal NBA coverage can be. I've seen several games where the start of a quarter was missed.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006



Peanut President posted:

They could punish the Greg Biffles of the world by just paying 1000 points for first, 10 points for second, 9 for third, on down.

I like this idea. Make some of the points racers try to earn their loving way in.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008





I have decided that I like the new system. I don't usually watch any of the races once the footballs starts anway. I may be tempted to actually tune in to the last few races just to see all the carnage on the track as drivers punt other cars since they can't pass due to stupid Aero.

Some Random Asshole
Apr 30, 2006

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A modest proposal to improve racing for oval track stock cars: Reintroduce split 3rd gears into competition as an optional package

A split 3rd gear, for those wondering why something like split gears belong in racecars, is a term for a 3rd-4th ratio package where 4th usually retains its regulated ratio of 1.00, but 3rd is a nearly identical cog, seperated by maybe 3 or 4 teeth (usually about 2-300 RPM at speed, in race application). It's not the most common thing but certain late-model series permit it in the rulebook and many teams run it. It's used usually on the first couple laps of a restart, keeping the engine just a little closer to redline where the more aggressive power output on exit can can provide a small edge in the melee of the first laps. After a few the driver shifts into the near-identical 4th for better fuel consumption and some less psychotic entry/exit characteristics from the car.

The split 3rd can bring much-needed spice to the upper levels of racing because it's an optional package against the standard 4-speed. It offers unique advantages and disadvantages against the current h-pattern. It provides the driver with more options for passing under green flag conditions, and bring some strategy to an oft-overlooked area of oval-track stock car driving (plus think of the sick interior shots you can get with drivers shifting more often bro ).

The disadvantage of the split 3rd, of course, comes in on the restart performance front, especially under NASCAR's vaunted GWC system. Got 3 to go and the guy lined up next to you has a standard 4-box while you're basically stuck with second and two top gears? He's beating you into turn one bro, better luck next race

Costs to teams would be mild but definitely doable. 95% of teams, Cup included, largely don't own their own bits like transmissions and gears and such. They're nearly all on a rental/lease-contract basis with some kind of dedicated specialist shop, be it engines, trans, gears etc. These dedicated shops are already manufacturing, rebuilding and purchasing new components virtually constantly anyway, buying a certain number of differently ratio'd cogs for the teams that choose to use them is largely six of one, half a dozen of the other for them.

Just keep the ratio for 4th the same and give the teams something to play with in the precious Product.(tm) Makes fuel strategy more driver-controlled and creates more passing/strategic opportunities. This would be a small, nigh-immediate step that would be both low cost/easy without requiring lots of technical redesign and help create the kind of racing NASCAR fan's appreciate seeing. Think it's worth considering in the next 5 years or so

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ThatCguy
Jan 19, 2008




So, what you're saying is a "gearbox of tomorrow" with a single set of mandated ratios for all competitors that doesn't change based on the track? Got it.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Much like NASCAR's trailblazing adaption of fuel injection a few years ago, Brian France announced today that in 2015 all Sprint Cup transmissions will be CVT units.

Pioneers in the field of racing technology.

CactusWeasle
Aug 1, 2006
It's not a party until the bomb squad says it is

Someone needs to write an Onion style article titled "Brian France: To be honest, I don't really understand this whole racing thing"

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Mar 5, 2011

Step 3: I re-examine my personal biases



Lipstick Apathy

VikingSkull posted:

Much like NASCAR's trailblazing adaption of fuel injection a few years ago, Brian France announced today that in 2015 all Sprint Cup transmissions will be CVT units.

Pioneers in the field of racing technology.

Out of curiosity, what other series use CVT transmissions?

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