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vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

About what level do you guys like to take your Cursed to Tranquil Meadow?

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Magres
Jul 14, 2011


I do the first fight ASAP because you can't die and I think it gives you some free experience (which is lovely, considering the rough early game on Cursed), then come back for the cave itself around 15.


Also, always kill the dude and keep the book. I don't actually know if keeping the book or not changes what acorn you get cause I've never tested it, but if you kill the dude and keep the book you get the stronger acorn. Iirc it's... physical damage, mind resist, and most importantly, movement speed. Gotta go fast.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

Magres posted:

I do the first fight ASAP because you can't die and I think it gives you some free experience (which is lovely, considering the rough early game on Cursed), then come back for the cave itself around 15.


Also, always kill the dude and keep the book. I don't actually know if keeping the book or not changes what acorn you get cause I've never tested it, but if you kill the dude and keep the book you get the stronger acorn. Iirc it's... physical damage, mind resist, and most importantly, movement speed. Gotta go fast.

It never even occurred to me to not do the most screwed up thing. I always get the acorn. Also, my current Cursed just picked up the Wrap of Stone. Guess I'm not going AM!

PS Hate loving dudes through walls never, ever gets old. Especially rogue types. Payback is a bitch.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011

I'm from another time, another world. I don't even know what you people eat for lunch.



Honestly I think the easiest way to put Cursed Aura back in as an acquirable tree would be to put it back on the coffins but give it the same embrace/suppress dialogue that an actual Cursed gets. That was always a cool thing (when you wanted it) and since it's not like most Cursed players use the tree very much you're not taking anything super-unique away from the Cursed class.

psy_wombats
Dec 1, 2009



Why was it taken off the coffins in the first place? It was never a huge deal to be cursed with it and remember it gave a bit more of a reason to go for one level of chronomancy from the escorts.

Jowy
Dec 4, 2007

Jesus Christ, it's a Pyro!

psy_wombats posted:

Why was it taken off the coffins in the first place? It was never a huge deal to be cursed with it and remember it gave a bit more of a reason to go for one level of chronomancy from the escorts.

At the time the whole bit about some talents being impossible to remove points from wasn't in place, so people treated it as a free generic point.

MiltonSlavemasta
Feb 12, 2009

And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon
Little boy blue and the man on the moon
"When you coming home, dad?"
"I don't know when
We'll get together then son you know we'll have a good time then."


You have been ignored for your inferiors for so long. "GOTTA GO FAST!!" they wheeze, as they repeatedly mash the same key and give themselves repetitive stress injury. "I GAVE THAT BOSS ULTRACANCER!!" they shout, as they stumble around while out of powers and energy. They snub you. They do not even talk about you. But you are superior, you know that.

You are a loving Time Lord. Your first loving ability lets you double-tap someone with two .45 caliber babalities that reduce them to an infantile state while making them explode from sheer TIME. You don't mash loving keys to walk anywhere in a fight because you were in a different dimension the entire loving time and reappear in a different spot without taking a loving turn. And it's still your loving turn, so you blast the planet with your sonic screwdriver TIME STAFF and suck them all into a singularity because you're also a young Stephen Hawking and they can't go to where you are. They stay there while you destabilize them out of the time stream so they're fading in and out of pictures like Marty McFly's mom and become ultra vulnerable to you using the miniature CERN you call a staff to deliver a QUANTUM SPIKE that causes them to explode onto everyone around them, hitting them both with the physical impact of the gore and the raw energy of the timeline of whatever poor sucker happened to be in your way today. If they are still alive you should just punt them ahead in time a few turns while you kill everything else with your time lasers and double-tap babalities.

Oh, and it takes no time to make yourself borrow some extra time like you're Justin Timberlake arm wrestling at the time fight club in that one movie, so you probably did all of that before anyone walked out of the Singularity, and you instantly moved two-thirds of a screen away before that happened because you were actually sliding through another dimension because you're also Dr. Sam Beckett. But you don't need to wait until you help some historical loser to leave because you can rip open wormholes to come and go like a hosed up space Ouroboros or an Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite who Don't Need No Man.

And you never get tired of this poo poo either. Stamina? Mana? Vim? No, all that happens when you use your abilities is that you get even crazier and hit people even harder with RAW TIME. Sometimes you mess up and go all Ashton Kutcher butterfly effect but you usually do poo poo like summon scrub enemies from the loser dimension that get in the way of your real opponents or just call down a TIME STORM that you're used to because remember you're sliding through this constantly. I hope you picked the BABALITY or the QUANTUM SPIKE or the SINGULARITY because on top of you having barely any cooldowns and can rewind yourself like a VHS and use your favorite one twice.

If for some reason you're garbage and actually manage to find something stronger than you, you can just call in its doppelganger from another dimension where he's cool and your friend like the good Jet Li, or you can pull a Joseph-Gordon Levitt and bring in your more badass Bruce Willis future self to solve all your problems and kill everything, but then you'll get sucked out of what you were doing and have to play through the Bruce Willis part later.

And, when you meet someone, no matter how fast, you have the power to make them go slow. You can stop the Murdertrain. You can go back in time to before you caught Turboebola. You are that Arnold Berrypatch bastard nerd girls make fan tumblrs about.

You are a Paradox Mage.

Did I do that right?

MiltonSlavemasta fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2014 around 00:03

Dodge Charms
May 30, 2013


MiltonSlavemasta posted:

You are a Paradox Mage.

Did I do that right?
I'd put more emphasis on how they flat-out cheat.

"Save scumming? Your character has that as a class ability. Kill the Boss and pick from 3 different rewards, because the RNG is your ho and she just wants to make Papa Paradox stop slapping her around."

psy_wombats
Dec 1, 2009



I'm pretty sure all my paradox mages died to backfiring and quantum spiking themselves, actually.

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.


Ah Paradox Mage, my first winner. I actually never used any of their time traveling stuff, they already got so many tools and crowd control abilities that it seemed like overkill.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008



Holy poo poo cursed

Started Urkis at level 18, decided, gently caress it, let's do this. He was camping the stairs with two Ultimate Gwelgoroths. I ruined them all and stood triumphant with 18 hitpoints left and three turns of Thunderstorm still on me.

Strode off into the sunset with the Thunderstorm DoT bouncing off my Rampage

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08

I need some prodigy advice for an in progress character:

http://te4.org/characters/15234/tom...4d-9c9025b77857

He's a level 40 lichform minionless necro relying on darkness. While I had the worst item luck I've ever had in ToME, Vor Armoy and backups fixed things with Vox, Boots of the Hunter, Telos, Ring of the Archlich, the Calm, and Frozen Shroud. So, I'm doing ok here. Decent shot at either finishing Telos or the Arclich set.

I'm also pretty drat beefy. About 1300 life with forgery of haze, 3 shields (4 including displacement), regen from being a higher, and Animus insta-heal. Throw in Cauterize to deal with extra burst damage.

I'm not sure what to do with my last prodigy. I'm fine with my offensive output so it's going to be another defensive one. Easy options would be Draconic form, spine of the world, or corrupted shell. An idea occurred to me though. I could get Armor or Shadows (gives you 50 armor and 50% armor hardiness when standing in dark, and makes your tile dark when you attack with darkness), and then use my spare generics on heightened senses + overseers of the nations to see fine in darkness. Is that a waste of a prodigy? I feel like corrupted shell makes more sense, but ~my flavor~

Thoughts?

Happylisk fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2014 around 00:39

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!


I think I just had one of the dumbest deaths I will ever see.

Rolled a Cursed, everything going fine, then I went into the antimagic trial, forgetting that my battleaxe was arcane powered and bringing no backup weapons.

I managed to punch my way through everything up to the corruptor while roaring frenziedly at my computer and occasionally stopping to pound my chest, but I just didn't have enough to chunk the corruptor down before he blew me up. RIP Thrash Bloodspike, you didn't deserve that

GENUINE CAT HERDER
Jan 2, 2004



Wedge Regret

Magres posted:

Yeah, that's what I wrote up.






So it looks like in this screenshot you have a mod where you get a second quickbar at the bottom..just got this game recently and I've been playing it like crazy but I definitely need a second quickbar like the one on your screen. Is it in game or is it a mod that adds it in? I've mostly been sticking to unlocking everything in vanilla so far so I haven't checked the mod scene very much yet.

violent sex idiot
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight


Pillbug

GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:

So it looks like in this screenshot you have a mod where you get a second quickbar at the bottom..just got this game recently and I've been playing it like crazy but I definitely need a second quickbar like the one on your screen. Is it in game or is it a mod that adds it in? I've mostly been sticking to unlocking everything in vanilla so far so I haven't checked the mod scene very much yet.

bottom right there is a button to unlock the interface, then you can stretch it and move it around wherever you want.

Bumper Stickup
Jan 7, 2012

Mmm... Offshore Toast!


Grimey Drawer

I failed the begging dwarf quest because the escort got violently murdered by the dungeon boss.

LordHippoman
May 30, 2013


So, how exactly do I use the rod of recall? I get the "space is dissolving around you!" message, but nothing happens.

violent sex idiot
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight


Pillbug

LordHippoman posted:

So, how exactly do I use the rod of recall? I get the "space is dissolving around you!" message, but nothing happens.

It takes 40 turns, so its not a get out of jail free card.

Tangents
Aug 23, 2008



Additionally, if you rest, it'll go for those 40 turns so you don't have to walk in circles or something.

LordHippoman
May 30, 2013


jsoh posted:

It takes 40 turns, so its not a get out of jail free card.

Oh. Well don't I feel silly. First playthrough, first death was taking on an Adventurer Party like "well if it gets too bad I'll just RoR out oh gently caress what are these weird spells what happened to my health"

Angry Diplomat
Nov 6, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

theshim posted:

I think I just had one of the dumbest deaths I will ever see.

Rolled a Cursed, everything going fine, then I went into the antimagic trial, forgetting that my battleaxe was arcane powered and bringing no backup weapons.

I managed to punch my way through everything up to the corruptor while roaring frenziedly at my computer and occasionally stopping to pound my chest, but I just didn't have enough to chunk the corruptor down before he blew me up. RIP Thrash Bloodspike, you didn't deserve that

That's pretty much the most metal thing I've ever heard so tbh I'd just call that a nonstandard win.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Angry Diplomat posted:

That's pretty much the most metal thing I've ever heard so tbh I'd just call that a nonstandard win.

Pfft, Brawlers do the punching corruptors thing to death and *succeed at it*.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013



My second win!

I was a skeleton brawler, and I felt like it was pretty powerful, but it was very simple.

For the first half of the game, I won every fight by putting up the billion-point skeleton damage shield and bumping things to death. For the second half I just activated my greater weapon focus ring and one-shot everything with flurry of fists.

Near the end, the only things that survived long enough for me to use all of my 3-5 attack hotkeys were an oozemancer boss in High Peak and the final bosses.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 6, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Kanos posted:

Pfft, Brawlers do the punching corruptors thing to death and *succeed at it*.

Brawlers are metal as heck, but a dude who has no clue how to fistfight and just rides through on sheer FURY is a whole different kind of gar.

mr. nobody
Sep 25, 2004

Net contents 12 fluid oz.

Just spent 7 bucks based on the OP/thread title; good job!

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!


Angry Diplomat posted:

Brawlers are metal as heck, but a dude who has no clue how to fistfight and just rides through on sheer FURY is a whole different kind of gar.
It was a pretty drat fight, and I also learned something interesting. When talents on gloves activate - for example, I was using Flamewrought for part of it (got lucky that I had a backup pair of gloves lying around when fire-immune enemies spawned) and it activates Flamespit - it counts as using a talent for the purposes of Rampaging, reducing its duration. This did not make things any easier, let me tell you.

e: also there goes any plans of a Rampage/Brawler adventurer

Dodge Charms
May 30, 2013


mr. nobody posted:

Just spent 7 bucks based on the OP/thread title; good job!
Welcome.


theshim posted:

it counts as using a talent for the purposes of Rampaging, reducing its duration. This did not make things any easier, let me tell you.

e: also there goes any plans of a Rampage/Brawler adventurer
Same problem with Adventurers who want to combine Rampage with Arcane Blade tricks. I guess you could think of Rampage as a bonus gift which occasionally activates for free and just not sweat the duration loss, since all the stuff that costs you Rampage duration also tends to kill jerks.

Tonfa
Apr 8, 2008

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


Re: Cursed Aura chat, it annoys me to no end that Adventurers cannot obtain the category. It's the only one left out!

Dodge Charms
May 30, 2013


Tonfa posted:

Re: Cursed Aura chat, it annoys me to no end that Adventurers cannot obtain the category. It's the only one left out!
All the Stone Warden special ones are also forbidden to the default Adventurer.

If you can think of a class concept which would have Cursed Gear at birth by default, maybe I'll be able to put it in an addon, and then it'll be available for all Adventurers.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011


I'm gonna take my oneliner for Paradox Mage from Dodge Charm (save scumming as a class ability is a great draw, and I'm rolling a Paradox Mage next) and Milton's post is now required reading for Paradox Mages

mr. nobody posted:

Just spent 7 bucks based on the OP/thread title; good job!

Yay, validation

Magres fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2014 around 03:14

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Angry Diplomat posted:

Brawlers are metal as heck, but a dude who has no clue how to fistfight and just rides through on sheer FURY is a whole different kind of gar.

I kinda want to see an dedicated unarmed class that uses hate as its primary now. Hotline Miami mode activate.

Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.



Agean90 posted:

I kinda want to see an dedicated unarmed class that uses hate as its primary now. Hotline Miami mode activate.

Well, nobody ever uses grappling. Maybe make Brawlers only based on striking and dodging and stuff. Rework and move over the grappling trees into their own class based on hate, but make it way scarier than just pins and presses. Crushing torsos, suplexing, throwing enemies, wielding enemies as temporary weapons with damage/speed/stats based on their size category and other stuff, ripping limbs off for long-duration status effects. That kind of thing.

Get mad and tear off the head of a dragon-god.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011


Rip_Van_Winkle posted:

wielding enemies as temporary weapons

Sweet mother of god. I need this in my life.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

Magres posted:

Sweet mother of god. I need this in my life.

I dont think Id play another class...

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

I hate this book and I hate Railrunner and I hate Thunderbark and I hate Black Magic and I hate everything they stand for.

Question on the Eye of the Tiger prodigy:

1. The prodigy says that "Mind crits reduce cooldown of a wild gift/psionic/afflicted talent by 2."

If I'm a Cursed that dual-wields two mindstars that deal Mind damage, do crits dealt by the mindstars count at "mind crits" or "physical crits"?

If they count as mind-crits, can they reduce the cooldown on Rampage? Would that mean that if I stack my crit-chance high enough, I can Rampage forever and ever and ever?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008



Something has gone badly wrong in the Ruined Dungeon.

In the northwest chamber, there's a 3x3 area where I take damage from the final guardian's Kinetic Aura. The guardian itself doesn't appear, though. It's not invisible - I can stand in the center of the aura without running into anything (and still take damage).

This isn't actually killing the dungeon for me because, as a Cursed, I can just hateport into the final room, but it is annoying. Nope, can't hateport into the final room even though I can see enemies in it. Looks like I'm not doing the ruined dungeon on this character.

Dodge Charms
May 30, 2013


JosephWongKS posted:

Question on the Eye of the Tiger prodigy:

1. The prodigy says that "Mind crits reduce cooldown of a wild gift/psionic/afflicted talent by 2."

If I'm a Cursed that dual-wields two mindstars that deal Mind damage, do crits dealt by the mindstars count at "mind crits" or "physical crits"?

If they count as mind-crits, can they reduce the cooldown on Rampage? Would that mean that if I stack my crit-chance high enough, I can Rampage forever and ever and ever?
I think melee attacks with mindstars count as physical attacks even if they're inflicting Mind or Nature damage. It's only when you see "Player's mind surges with critical power!" that you get a mind crit.

If you went Anti-Magic you can mind crit on your AM Shield check, but not your melee attacks.

(Doomed can mindcrit on their melee attacks if they use Gesture of Pain.)

Magres
Jul 14, 2011


Speaking of that place, how do you figure out what the order of the orbs is in ruined dungeon? I always just trial and error it and murder everything that spawns


ToxicFrog posted:

Something has gone badly wrong in the Ruined Dungeon.

In the northwest chamber, there's a 3x3 area where I take damage from the final guardian's Kinetic Aura. The guardian itself doesn't appear, though. It's not invisible - I can stand in the center of the aura without running into anything (and still take damage).

This isn't actually killing the dungeon for me because, as a Cursed, I can just hateport into the final room, but it is annoying. Nope, can't hateport into the final room even though I can see enemies in it. Looks like I'm not doing the ruined dungeon on this character.

If you can get a hold of DarkGod on IRC, I bet he can fix it for you

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008



Magres posted:

Speaking of that place, how do you figure out what the order of the orbs is in ruined dungeon? I always just trial and error it and murder everything that spawns

There's three signs in the dungeon that together tell you what order to activate them in.

quote:

If you can get a hold of DarkGod on IRC, I bet he can fix it for you

pre:
--- [DarkGod2] idle 1051:03:39, signon: Thu Oct 31 19:13:42
I'm going with "no, I can't."

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Magres
Jul 14, 2011


I'd just roll another dude up while I wait, personally, but I suppose you're not losing out on a ton if you just keep rolling through the game, murdering everything.

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