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oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009



The_Rob posted:

DX ruled. Suck it you nerd.

It did but a lot of WWE stuff makes it seem like it was half Austin and half DX that turned WWE around which isn't true

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projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Scoop Lover



he knows...


Endless Mike posted:

I miss unique PPV sets.

The Backlash set had giant talons

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

musicals are garbage


oldpainless posted:

It did but a lot of WWE stuff makes it seem like it was half Austin and half DX that turned WWE around which isn't true

I mean I guess not, but DX was probably the most over act going for a while. In middle school all I remember was me and my friends doing the DX opening spiel and telling each other to suck it.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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I always felt it was a progression with like Goldust and DX starting the move towards "Attitude" (along with less favorable historical stuff like the race wars) and then Austin and eventually Rock really putting it over the top.

Like, looking for the one thing that saved them is simplistic. They changed their approach from "New Generation" to "Attitude" and DX was unquestionably a big part of that. And anyone who claims DX wasn't that big a deal was clearly not in school at the time.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA

STAC Goat posted:

I always felt it was a progression with like Goldust and DX starting the move towards "Attitude" (along with less favorable historical stuff like the race wars) and then Austin and eventually Rock really putting it over the top.

Like, looking for the one thing that saved them is simplistic. They changed their approach from "New Generation" to "Attitude" and DX was unquestionably a big part of that. And anyone who claims DX wasn't that big a deal was clearly not in school at the time.

DX wasn't nearly the deal Austin was. Not even in the ballpark. Austin was the turnaround. DX peaked as a money act after the turnaround and was a mid to upper midcard act then. It wasn't nearly as big when it was HBK and HHH in 97/early 98. Also Goldust was as offensive as the gang wars.

DX was really over in mid 98 but it wasn't close to as over as Austin. Not in crowd reactions, not in merchandise and nowhere near him in ticket or PPV sales. Not even close.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I'm not sure where I said different.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA

STAC Goat posted:

I'm not sure where I said different.

You said looking for one thing that saved them is simplistic.

It's not. It's Steve Austin and the thing that made them #1 was Austin with some help from Tyson. He was the turnaround.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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So like are you saying that Austin just caused a 180 degree turnaround? I admit I've never cared enough about wrestling business to educate myself on that kind of thing.

I was talking more tone and content where Austin didn't happen in a vacuum but rather followed a general move towards "Attitude" which DX was obviously a big part of. Content wise, if not business wise.

But if this is a debate about "who sold tickets and merch" I'm wholly unprepared for that and didn't mean to wade into that, so I concede it to you.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA

STAC Goat posted:

So like are you saying that Austin just caused a 180 degree turnaround? I admit I've never cared enough about wrestling business to educate myself on that kind of thing.

I was talking more tone and content where Austin didn't happen in a vacuum but rather followed a general move towards "Attitude" which DX was obviously a big part of. Content wise, if not business wise.

But if this is a debate about "who sold tickets and merch" I'm wholly unprepared for that and didn't mean to wade into that, so I concede it to you.

Ok I see what happened your original point was that DX had a lot to do with the tonal shift and then people started making fun of the WWE talking point that DX was the thing that won the war and it got confused. Yeah, I'll agree that DX played a pretty big role in making the product more overtly raunchy.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Yeah, I see what happened.

I don't think HHH's DX won the war by driving a tank to CNN towers or anything. That was silly sideshow stuff. But I think HBK and his DX act played a not insignificant role in changing the product that ultimately got WWF over the top, even though Austin definitely played a bigger role in getting them over the hump.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

They say I'm a madman...
But I'm not mad
at anybody

Honest, I'm not.


DX was important and entertaining because of coked up HBK. Once he was done, they had a brief run where they coasted off that notoriety and catchphrases before it became horribly stale/lame.

In revisionist WWE history, it's turned into 'DX was popular for their wacky vignettes (insert a clip of DX's special report) which peaked when DX cosplayed as the Nation Of Domination and drove a tank to WCW, one of the most iconic and outrageous moments of the Attitude Era. That, along with the Mr. McMahon/Austin fued, helped turn the tide in the Monday Night War.'

That type of edge was already starting to appear in 1996.

The American Dream
Mar 1, 2007
Don't Forget My Balls

1997 Bret, Dx, and Austin started things out with cool things like mankind, taker and ken shamrock. Bret vs America.

Post wm 1998 with Mike Tyson bringing attention. Which was a huge loving deal. Austin vs McMahon was the top story. It was amazing, we all loved it. Dx was cool and you had to watch them. But it was like %60 Austin, 25% Dx. The rest was Val Venus dick jokes, taker foley, the rock when he talked, give or take a few points week to week.

By 1999 ministry was cool, still Vince vs Austin, Dx peaked, way more dick jokes from everyone on the roster and guys like show and y2j jumping ship. Austin was 1, rock and taker were #2-#3. HHH, chyna, foley, dx, a penis joke, and sable filled out the rest

From Montreal to the death of wcw it was Austin, rock, hhh-foley-undertaker, dx, penis jokes-wcw star-tits, someone that got a decent push for a few months. Then throw Vince into whatever storyline he was in at the time.

I was 13-17 during this time period, fan since I was 5

Tldr: I've wasted my life

Tldr2: I was born the same day hulkamania won the title and crushed anti-Americanism from shekie baby.

The American Dream fucked around with this message at May 10, 2017 around 09:50

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?


projecthalaxy posted:

The Backlash set had giant talons

Those were loving sickles

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super macho dude
Aug 9, 2014



The American Dream posted:

Tldr: I've wasted my life

I lived through Rock n Wrestling, Hulkamania running wild (brother), The rise of Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, the godawful Diesel reign, the Attitude Era, NWO, and didn't stop watching wrestling until the end of 99'. I didn't pick up watching mainstream WWE until about 2010.

So having the Network and getting to watch the poo poo show that is 2000 era WCW has been mind blowing.

That's my story.

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