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What exactly gives you a better chance of being selected? Ive applied for the position once and gotten passed over. I met all of the minimum qualifications
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eternalname posted:What exactly gives you a better chance of being selected? Ive applied for the position once and gotten passed over. I met all of the minimum qualifications I don't think anyone really knows, seems to be mostly luck. I meet all requirements and have been applying since 2008 including wasting money on a cti degree and I have exactly one year before I age out. I know people that work in an FAA facility that haven't been selected. Hell, I work with New York center, Miami, Jacksonville, San Juan, and Washington every day working the radios, issuing clearances and talking to traffic and that isn't enough to get a call back.
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Right now, it is a lottery or an act of congress (no kidding) to get hired. Going to CTI school specifically for air traffic is not a wise move. Get a degree in something useful and you can still apply.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Hi, how do they schedule all the planes and stuff for major international airports. There seems like there's a lot of planes, and there are quite a few different airlines and how do they all agree on whose plane gets to get there when and whatever? It's called enterprise optimization and it involves statistical modeling, neural networks, and so on. Aircraft scheduling, revenue management, supply chain management, crew planning and operations all fall under this umbrella and involve similar tools. fe: didn't realize this post was so old.
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Welcome to the inside jokes thread. What's funny about this?
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12/C680/G indicates a flight of 12 C680s (Cessna Citation Sovereigns, large business jets). 12 of them in a formation would be quite a sight indeed. Probably somebody fat fingered "1/C680" when entering the data. Though when a flight is just one aircraft the 1 is usually omitted, some automated systems include the 1 if not manually corrected.
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Just got the call from Northwest Mountain HR that I was selected on an ERR to Seattle Center, should get my tentative offer letter tomorrow morning.    I already know my release date isn't going to be good, but I'll deal with it. I think I remember one of you guys had made the transition from terminal to enroute, how did that go?
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Zochness posted:Just got the call from Northwest Mountain HR that I was selected on an ERR to Seattle Center, should get my tentative offer letter tomorrow morning. We have a VFR tower CPC who was a trainee at a lvl8 up/down before he ERRed to Miami Center. He says its quite a bit harder, in terms of required knowledge/LOAs, etc, but he's kicking its rear end. Are you going to have to do the enroute academy course?
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MrYenko posted:We have a VFR tower CPC who was a trainee at a lvl8 up/down before he ERRed to Miami Center. He says its quite a bit harder, in terms of required knowledge/LOAs, etc, but he's kicking its rear end. I don't think so, one of our guys (whose first facility was AMA too) is leaving for Houston Center next month and he isn't going back to OKC. I've got my radar ticket already so I'm sure that will help, but the rules will take some getting used to.
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MrYenko posted:Are you going to have to do the enroute academy course? Tower to enroute don't go to the academy for some really strange reason. I started with a guy that went from Riverside in Tulsa and he definitely struggled a bit. edit: quote:I've got my radar ticket already so I'm sure that will help, but the rules will take some getting used to. That will definitely help. You'll at least know what a point out is.
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Got our "thanks for the hard work when Chicago Center exploded" stuff today. Time off or cash award? Nope! A coin and a letter.  I'd heard rumors of up to a week of time off award for everyone "directly" involved, but nope. poo poo, we even got 4 hours just for transitioning to ERAM.
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Sounds familiar: we got the 4 hours of leave for transitioning to ERAM, but we can't have spot leave, because we're understaffed.
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MrYenko posted:Sounds familiar: we got the 4 hours of leave for transitioning to ERAM, but we can't have spot leave, because we're understaffed. The best part about time off awards is that they expire after a year! Your best bet is to use it when you already have approved leave and just save yourself those 4 hours.
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A new publication regarding 2015 hiring. I'm still reading through it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23553830/ATCS%20LTprocess%20stakeholderFINAL1.16.15v1.pdf quote:General Experience/Education Only Track quote:Specialized Experienced Track For general experience applicants starting FY2017 they're looking at revamping the entrance exam: quote:Future Improvements for FY2017 Hiring
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What does this mean for off the street hiring? Keep your eyes and ears open for something in March.Tommy 2.0 posted:If you are wanting to get hired, get your poo poo together. March. Yeah yeah yeah, I know.
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I see no mention of age waivers.
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Jan 19, 2015 05:29
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All of these people that are going to get thrown to whatever facility the FAA decides to send them to are going to make it so easy for me to swap when I decide I want to go somewhere else.
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Yeah this critical staffing level wasn't going to last forever. Hopefully in 5 more years, mobility will increase quite a bit.
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A close call at New York's JFK airport: http://7online.com/travel/jetblue-flight-stops-short-during-takeoff-at-kennedy-airport/479757/ I'm gonna see if I can get LiveATC recordings of the incident in a bit. EDIT: Found the audio from the tower. Not sure if anything happened on Ground Control's frequency that would have added to this confusion, I'm still looking. Here's the audio file, incident occurs at 00:40 Tower: Carribean 526 can you hold short of 22R? Tower: Carribean 526 STOP Tower: JetBlue 1295 abort takeoff Tower: Carribean 526? Tower: Carribean 526? Tower: JetBlue 1295 do you require any assistance? Tower: JetBlue 1295 turn right Golf, taxi right Bravo JetBlue: Right Golf, right Bravo and we'll advise, we'll get back to ya JetBlue 1295 Here are the paths that each plane took: 
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Tommy 2.0 posted:If you are wanting to get hired, get your poo poo together. March. What does one have to do to have their poo poo together? I'm a prior USAF flight engineer, if it matters any.
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For applying off the street, review the requirements for employment earlier in this thread. Make sure you can pass an Airmen's 2nd Class medical plus EKG, can obtain a secret level or lower security clearance, review the ATSAT entrance exam material and practice programs (some available on https://www.stuckmic.com). Have some personal and professional references ready and all of your medical history. Don't have horrible credit or recent substance or psychological issues. Oh, and be younger than 31, hopefully by a year or two so you have time to go through the process. The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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The Ferret King posted:Yeah this critical staffing level wasn't going to last forever. Hopefully in 5 more years, mobility will increase quite a bit. Let's hope. My wife GTFO of Memphis center, thankfully. We're in SLC now and down the road looking to move back East.
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We were just informed at ZMA that instead of six (6) trainees for the fiscal year, we'll be getting fifty (50). Our training department is gonna be hoppin'.
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MrYenko posted:We were just informed at ZMA that instead of six (6) trainees for the fiscal year, we'll be getting fifty (50). Goddamn, hopefully other facilities have similar numbers!
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The Ferret King posted:Oh, and be younger than 31, hopefully by a year or two so you have time to go through the process. What's the exact age cutoff? I turn 30 in August. Would I probably be fine applying again in March if they open up off the street hiring applications again?
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MrYenko posted:We were just informed at ZMA that instead of six (6) trainees for the fiscal year, we'll be getting fifty (50). Nice! I'm not sure what the plans for ZKC are right now. My area has something like 6 or 7 guys training on the D-side right now. I have my OJTI class this week so I can get in on the fun! 
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Boola posted:What's the exact age cutoff? Need to have a tentative job offer letter by your 31st birthday (someone please tell me if they know this has changed, I'm aware of what the FAA website says but it was wrong in the past). It takes about 1-2 years from application to academy start, with the tentative offer coming in months before the academy. So your time line doesn't leave much wiggle room, but I think it should be enough for one try.
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The Ferret King posted:Need to have a tentative job offer letter by your 31st birthday (someone please tell me if they know this has changed, I'm aware of what the FAA website says but it was wrong in the past). So I'm hosed then. Turned 30 in December.
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fknlo posted:Nice! I'm finally building up some experience training others and I've really not been enjoying it. I've yet to have a developmental that gives a crap and it's pretty irritating. I'm also really friendly, patient, and bookish so they like to give me the trainees that are struggling so they're not getting constantly demoralized by the more aggressive controllers. I'm not certain it's been a good tactic for anyone involved, as my recommendation rate is pretty low so far. I'm even looking at going through a training review board (official process to extend or terminate training) with one of my developmentals within a month. I've never done that before.
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holocaust bloopers posted:So I'm hosed then. Turned 30 in December. No harm trying, but it'll be really really close. I think last year people got offer letters in the fall, from the March announcement. So it's not hopeless. Definitely apply.
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In the past, HR has expedited paperwork for people that were selected, but getting close to the deadline. If the initial test is in March, you may get selected in time. Worth a shot.
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The Ferret King posted:I'm finally building up some experience training others and I've really not been enjoying it. I've yet to have a developmental that gives a crap and it's pretty irritating. I'm also really friendly, patient, and bookish so they like to give me the trainees that are struggling so they're not getting constantly demoralized by the more aggressive controllers. You have to remember that there may be reasons that they're struggling outside of aggressive trainers. It's definitely not good if they don't seem to give a crap. Our last washout seemed to have that kind of attitude. Good guy, I'm pretty sure he could do the job, but his attitude leaned towards not giving a gently caress until he was in front of the review board. He would also let situations develop way longer than he should have. I've told them I'd wanted to wait a couple of years after getting checked out before I started training but I realized that wasn't feasible under current conditions. I'm hoping I'll just be a backup for a while as I continue to learn.
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I updated the second post with more fleshed out information on the hiring process. I'll continue to work on it as needed:quote:What's the pre employment test?
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I've been looking for an updated pay chart. Thanks! (I'm terminally lazy.)
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The Ferret King posted:A close call at New York's JFK airport: First I'm hearing of this, any more details?
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The Ferret King posted:I updated the second post with more fleshed out information on the hiring process. I'll continue to work on it as needed: How long does it take to work through the different D levels? I'm really excited about the new hiring round coming up. I washed out at the Bio-Q last time. Probably will again, because that thing made no sense.
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The Bramble posted:How long does it take to work through the different D levels? It varies greatly. Several months each, usually. It depends on the size of the facility, the complexity, the availability of training time, your personal initiative and talent, and even more factors. Complete certification times range from 6 months at super sleepy facilities (or super human trainees) to 5 years for really back-logged facilities or poor trainees, and everywhere in between. I spend about 6 months at each D step overall at a level 6 facility. Certifying in 1.5yrs.
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The Locator posted:Why do the level 4/5/6 not have a D1, 4/5 not have a D2, and 4 not have a D3? They're not complex enough to warrant the additional incremental steps. They don't have as many sectors/positions to certify on.
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