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Failed the bio also. Kind of hosed if it isn't a bug. I'm currently enrolled in an ATC-CTI program.
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I've always hated the automated "Respond how the corporate entity wants you to" bullshit. You and the person who (eventually might) interview you both know it's bullshit.
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The Ferret King posted:Newer rumors from the rumor mill are saying that the 2,000 people who passed the biographical questionnaire on this last announcement are going to move forward in the process. They estimate this will yield as low as 400 controllers graduating the academy (after losing some in the hiring process and others to academy failure). This means they would plan to have additional off the street hiring announcements in the future because 400 is not nearly enough. Once they have the next opening announcement, everyone copy/pastes the bio-q answers from the people who passed this one. E: As frustrating as it is not passing, I can't imagine having ATC experience (whether military or otherwise) and still not getting through, especially when some of the questions were "How many sports did you play in high school?" its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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I talked with the head of my ATC department today and he said that, within his rumor-mill, the FAA is looking at changing how certain questions are scored on the bio-q in order to get a larger pool of candidates.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:30
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One of my teachers said that there are rumors of another ATC hiring round. But rumors being rumors, the next hiring "could be anywhere from June of this year to May of next year." 
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Apr 18, 2014 19:09
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JohnClark posted:2007, I actually transferred there from Minnesota after...misspending my first couple college years. How about you? And you're absolutely right, the fact that we got either the mechanic, pilot or management degree in addition to the CTI cert was excellent. What I'm getting from all this discussion is that I should switch majors to mechanic or airport management. I've intentionally been avoiding the direct ATC courses until my last quarters in case I decide/need to switch. I've set an appointment with my aviation adviser on whether or not I should switch before I have to register next quarter. There's a generic "Aircraft Transportation" degree that's a bit of a catch-all program I Might go with. One thing the aviation department does for/to ATC students, at least, is drive home that this is not a guaranteed route of employment. For any of the aviation degrees, the program director for the aviation division requires you to sign a paper stating that you fully recognize that taking any of the programs is not a guarantee of employment, then he copies it for the school's records and gives you the original.
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Sep 26, 2014 16:51
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niner tree foar
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fknlo posted:FAA released the report on using biodata to select controllers (PDF). You're being disingenuous with your quote and not properly representing the data. No correlation was found, but this study is based on people who passed the bio-q, not everyone who applied. And they raised a question in their conclusion stating that further research is needed to evaluate CTI programs- quote:CTI Graduates. Additional research is needed to understand the relationship between being a CTI graduate and training status. A question is whether graduates from some CTI schools are more likely to succeed in training than graduates from other CTI schools. Are programmatic differences among the schools obscuring the relationship between having a CTI degree and success in ATC training? We recommend that a follow-on to this study be conducted in which differences among CTI programs be examined in relationship to ATC training success. Either way, the largest issue raised by the CTI schools is that the bio-q is bullshit and removes completely viable applicants from being considered for a position. The study actually agrees with this: quote:Based on an analysis of the relationship between selected biodata items and training success, we conclude that the evidence for using these biodata items for controller selection is weak. quote:We concluded that, after screening applicants based on age and selecting only those who passed the AT-SAT test battery, the biodata items assessed did little to improve our ability to select the applicants most likely to reach CPC. Not sure what other CTI schools have been saying to their students, but the head of our ATC program has made it very clear multiple times that completing the program does not guarantee you any job within the industry. He's fighting the recent changes because the bio-q is a complete load, and individuals should be considered for a position based on their actual ability and not how many sports they played in high school. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Probably, unless things are changed before then (doubtful). ~Sources~ say they're going to change the bio-q so people can't cheat with the ones people who passed provided and to get a larger pool of people.
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Signed all the paperwork and did the fingerprints. I should be starting my internship at the local enroute center Monday or so. Huzzah.
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Seattle/Auburn.
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Wonder what changes they've made to the bio-q and if the people copying answers from others that passed last time will get through.
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That's top of class? I am scared. On a different note, I start RPO training next week. 
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TheUnforgiven posted:Going to take a wild stab and say at the Academy. Hope you enjoy a boring rear end job that pays extremely well..lol Seattle Center, actually. I'm interning at flight data and there's a certification course next week.
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Zochness posted:I'd like to hear what you think of the facility since I'll be moving up there at the end of next year (hopefully Seattle center is nice, but the city it's in (Auburn) is a poo poo hole. You're about 45 minutes or so south of Seattle itself. You're a 20 minute drive from a town that's famous for a guy getting his colon punctured by a horse penis and dying (Enumclaw). The center is across the street from the largest casino in the state. Everyone I've talked to really prefers Seattle because it's a lot more laid back and not nearly as busy as east coast locations. Both flight data and controllers on the floor say they wish they'd transferred sooner. I've talked to people from Atlanta, Chicago and Miami. E: My internship is up at the end of March. I'm over in flight data. Word is that the OTS hiring announcement will be mid-March. They plan on getting enough people in to not have another announcement for 18 months. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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). If you see a guy wearing a Purdue lanyard getting a tour at the end of next month that'll be me, looking forward to checking it out.
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Getting antsy; less than a week until the OTS hiring announcement.
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March 23rd, yes. No idea on the other part.
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Probably just a rumor, but it heard some of the supes on the floor saying that how the questions are graded/scored on the bio-q was approved by NATCA. Also that people should treat it like one of those BS corporate hiring questionnaires. Of course math was my favorite subject in school!
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Mar 20, 2015 16:32
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Tell them you played all the sports in high school and were an A++++++ student. From reading Stuckmic (grain of salt notwithstanding) it appears they're looking for someone who is confident and can deal with rapidly changing scenarios and works well under stress. IE obvious poo poo and treat it like a corporate survey. This is based on the results from last time, but it looks like the test is pretty much the same.
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Applied. A lot more questions that last time. Now we play the waiting game. E: On an unrelated note: well gently caress; my ATC 2 class was cancelled due to low enrollment. I took ATC 1 last quarter and was supposed to be taking 2 & 3 this quarter. If everything goes well I'll be in OKC some time in the fall. I was going to take my final math class and graduate at the end of the summer quarter. AFAIK they don't offer ATC 2 for the summer quarter. I'll be one class away from graduation. Becoming a controller is my end goal, but it would be nice to at least come out of school with a degree. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 26, 2015 05:43
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Aauugh I must know if I passed the BQ!!
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Mar 27, 2015 23:49
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Such timing; we're reviewing ground control in class.
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Apr 6, 2015 22:35
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Guess it's time to look for a new career if their 18 month plan holds.
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Apr 11, 2015 03:08
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Naturally Selected posted:I'll let people that actually do this poo poo for a living weigh in on the quality of candidates that the BQ passes through, but there's a reason it's not popular with actual working controllers, and not just us rejects.
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So far our CTI program is reporting ~50% pass rate for the BQ. It's goddamn depressing being in this class with people who passed it but just give blank stares to the simplest questions we learned the answers to in AVIA 101.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:34
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~50% for students at the school within the program.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:53
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I agree. From what I can gather, this is based on "students telling their instructors if they still have a green check." Empirical as the BQ.
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My classmate is a former military controller with several years of experience. She applied back in February in the bid open to folks with ATC experience. She was getting antsy about not hearing anything, so she applied in the OTS bid. She failed the BQ and just heard back from the FAA yesterday; they're hiring her on as a controller. I'm glad that she got the job, but it's just another example of the ridiculous logic of this whole thing.
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What's wrong with magnetos? The C-172s 95% of student pilots fly in have them.
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fordan posted:What do the other 5% use? Even the fuel-injected modern 172 I learned in used magnetos. I was pointing out what in the aircraft had electrical power. Ah, I see.
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Jul 9, 2015 23:19
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I would jump all over that if I were certified.
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Seattle Center does.
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Question(s) about contract towers and ramps: As I will, likely, only get one more chance at getting into ATC through the FAA, I might be looking at contract towers. SEATAC Ramp is actually hiring, and I should be getting my ATC and Dispatch AAS degrees in a bit (classes just ended). I know CTO and military are preferred, but I've not seen either as a requirement, just that they'll be given priority. I understand a contract environment will be run differently than a government one, but that's doesn't concern me. My main question is whether or not experience as a contract controller is applicable towards FAA ATC. I have a feeling the answer is "no", and assume the competition to get into one will more than likely be steep, considering the slew of ATC grads that have been shafted by the hiring changes and senior controllers who don't want to leave the field.
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They should hire me. That'd be a great idea. Put me in coach!
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2015/12/30/reverse-discrimination-suit-filed-against-faa-hiring-fallout-continues/ Reverse discrimination suite filed on behalf of CTI students. It's basically "bbbbbut they said I would have a job and now I don't!" The FAA's new hiring practices are dumb, but I was never under the illusion that I was guaranteed a job at the end of my degree program. At least I got two for the price of one (dispatch and ATC) regardless of how useless they are. Didn't spend $40k either.
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That means there are going to be more hiring announcements with better hiring criteria, right? RIGHT? 
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Jan 30, 2016 02:58
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I play it fast and loose too; I can totally be a member of the Federal Aviation Administration!
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MrYenko posted:
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: "Sunwing zero two five, say normal speed in the climb."
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TangoFox posted:Let me help you with that sound file: Oh this is great. A+ would listen again.
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Looks like two controllers I know are taking the bio assessment. Not sure what the FAA plans on doing with the results. Just want one more shot at the hiring before I turn 31.
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