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Best Producer/Showrunner?
This poll is closed.
Verity Lambert 49 7.04%
John Wiles 1 0.14%
Innes Lloyd 1 0.14%
Peter Bryant 3 0.43%
Derrick Sherwin 3 0.43%
Barry Letts 12 1.72%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 62 8.91%
Graham Williams 3 0.43%
John Nathan-Turner 15 2.16%
Philip Segal 3 0.43%
Russel T Davies 106 15.23%
Steven Moffat 114 16.38%
Son Goku 324 46.55%
Total: 696 votes
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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011



Hair Elf





(old thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3597393)

We had the 50th Anniversary, we've had a regeneration episode, now we have...a long wait for August. They're filming right now, and so we just have to wait for them to finish. What do we know about the 12th Doctor (as he will be known as)? Not much. He doesn't like the color of his kidneys, and he doesn't know how the fly the TARDIS. Other than that, speculation.

In the meantime? Well, The Moonbase just came out on DVD, and the Underwater Menace is coming soon. The Time of the Doctor is getting a DVD and Blu-Ray release next month in Region 1. You can celebrate the 10th Anniversary of Eccleston being revealed as the first revival Doctor in a few weeks (he also turned 50 recently). There's always the audio adventures, which we'll get to later. There are the books. There are the comics. There's this thread. Hey, you're already reading it!

With no new Who on the horizon, we look to the past (as there is always more of it). Various posters are doing re-watch/read/listens to old episodes/books/audio dramas and giving opinions. If you haven't seen/read/listened to every Doctor Who thing, do it, because we have to get through about six months surviving on arguments over which African dictatorship is secretly housing The Space Pirates.

The Something Awful Doctor Who IRC Channel (SADWIRCC) is #mrrock. Stop by and ask for more information.

Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS
By edict of the moderators, this is a SPOILER-FREE ZONE. Other than backstage stuff (hiring people), DO NOT POST SPOILERS. AT ALL. Even if Queen Elizabeth II, Barack Obama, and Vladimir Putin have a three-way press conference on every channel to reveal life on Mars and also that Martha Jones is a Rutan, DON'T POST IT HERE. If you must post about spoilers, go to the spoiler thread.

WHERE DO I START
If you want to start with the revival, you can start with The Eleventh Hour and catch up with the last Doctor's work. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, this was a different era of television, where you could get away with shaky sets if the story was good.

The most popular serials you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Web of Fear
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

A GUIDE TO DOCTOR WHO AUDIO DRAMAS

There are hundreds, possibly thousands of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas. This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people possibly like Minuet in Hell, but I doubt it). This is a post telling you the basic info on the different series of titles there are, and boy, are there a ton of different series. Confusing.

Big Finish monthly releases
Since 1999, Big Finish have released, on a consistent basis, mostly standalone stories featuring the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and, occasionally, Eighth Doctors. Up to 184th(!) release next month.

The Lost Stories
Audio dramas based on scripts meant for television. Stories involving the first three doctors are "enhanced audiobooks", meaning there is narration as opposed to having a full cast.

The Fourth Doctor Adventures
Tom Baker gets his own line of releases.

The Eighth Doctor Adventures
An on-again-off-again series featuring Paul McGann.

The Companion Chronicles
More enhanced audiobooks. Ended in 2014, replaced by...

The Early Adventures
Black-and-white era Doctor Who enhanced audiobooks.

Doctor Who Unbound
Doctor Who's version of "What if...?"

Destiny of the Doctor
Enhanced audiobooks originally made by AudioGo for the 50th anniversary. Notable for featuring stories involving the Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh Doctors.

The BBC Radio Adventures
If it was commissioned for the Beeb, it fits into this category. Contains the first Doctor Who audio drama, Doctor Who and the Pescatons, everything released by BBC Audio, Eighth Doctor Shada, and Real Time.

Spinoffs
There are a ton of these, ranging for good (I, Davros) to who gives a poo poo (anything involving a companion from the audio series).

And now, some images.


Current show-runner Steven Moffat, wondering where the invisible, all-knowing woman was in The Daleks


Take that, Hitler!


Don't SPLINK!


The Curator meets the Brig


I wasn't alive when the Sixth Doctor was incumbent, so I only kind of get this.


Peter Capali's frightening drawing of Tom Baker.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G11kCiSGEk

Cerv, you owe me

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at Jul 20, 2014 around 18:34

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I made the first vote of the poll and Phillip Hinchcliffe has 100% of the votes. This is accurate and this percentage should not change.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

Power Gamer for Hire


And if we were only discussing the quality of stories, you'd have a point. But showrunner includes a lot of poo poo that never makes it to the screen and for that you've got to respect Verity for getting the whole thing rolling and RTD for bringing it back from the dead.

My vote went to RTD simply because he somehow managed to take a dead and discredited show that existed only in books and audiobooks and turn it into phenomenon. That takes a ton of skill, luck, and devotion and RTD brought all three in spades. Because of him we talk about 75th and 100th anniversaries and aren't completely insane for doing so when, not even ten years ago, I'd have told you that Dr. Who was dead and gone.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


You're just going to leave that hanging colon in the title, are you? Hmm.

MixxMaster
Sep 15, 2005


CaptainYesterday posted:

Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Vars

Come on, How could you get the title wrong? One of Colin's best. Some say it's a CLASSIC!

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012


We've got this thing licked!



MixxMaster posted:

Come on, How could you get the title wrong? One of Colin's best. Some say it's a CLASSIC!

Please don't lock us in the thread, it's only just started .


And as for thread titles; Doctor Who: We'll explain later.

Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



Wonderful thread, all of them.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

I have just transcended common sense!

Goku was showrunner during Trial of a Time Lord, right?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Here are gifs from the last year/season of Matt Smith's run, including Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor. I have plenty of stuff from the previous seasons as well that I'll get around to creating an album at a later date.

jng2058 posted:

And if we were only discussing the quality of stories, you'd have a point. But showrunner includes a lot of poo poo that never makes it to the screen and for that you've got to respect Verity for getting the whole thing rolling and RTD for bringing it back from the dead.

If I was voting purely on quality of stories I'd give the nod to Moffat. Hinchcliffe ran the show during a period where everybody was bringing their A game, the show was running as smooth as could be, riding a massive wave of popularity and spreading out into demographics that had ignored or been uninterested in the show before. As far as I'm concerned the Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Baker era has never been topped in terms of creativity, success and a relatively smooth production running in the background (Tom was still creatively happy and not being such a menace on set).

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!


jng2058 posted:

And if we were only discussing the quality of stories, you'd have a point. But showrunner includes a lot of poo poo that never makes it to the screen and for that you've got to respect Verity for getting the whole thing rolling and RTD for bringing it back from the dead.

Which is why I voted for Segal. Yes, The Movie was disappointing in many ways, but after watching the documentary about its rather long inception, I think we should all be very thankful for what Segal managed to achieve.

He used what little clout he had to kill Lost In The Dark Dimension.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Well it's not a checkbox poll but you got the important part right.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Unironically voting for JNT

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Sometimes I wish I could talk about this Doctor Who show that's on tv right now, but every thread is constantly derailed with people going on about all this weird 60s and 70s stuff.

I only recognize a single name on that list, and I haven't decided yet if I want to vote for that name or null vote.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I picked Hinchcliffe, but I think the problem is that for a lot of Classic Who there was a kind of partnership between the producer and the script editor, whereas in New Who the equivalent roles have sort of amalgamated into the show runner job. So there's an implied vote for Holmes, I suppose.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax


Someone needs to fix the thread title. The colon with no subtitle is driving me crazy.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Doctor Who: Yes, we know who you are.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012


We've got this thing licked!



The third episode of The Caves of Androzani was amazing

"Your safety is my top priority" *SHOVE*. Probably the simplest way anyone's done in a president and gotten away with it.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


I really like the fifth doctor recommendations.

bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2014 around 14:02

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


bobkatt013 posted:

I really like th efifth doctor recommendations.

The inclusion of Four To Doomsday was a bit of a headscratched, honestly. It's not particularly bad, but I'd have recommended something like Kinda.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


Open Source Idiom posted:

The inclusion of Four To Doomsday was a bit of a headscratched, honestly. It's not particularly bad, but I'd have recommended something like Kinda.

I would say its one of if not the worst Fifth Doctor Story. The racism, the Adric, the ethnic dancing. The whole thing is so so bad. The only good thing is the amazing spacesuit the Doctor uses.

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!


The Goku era will always be my favorite.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


I'm not surprised that Goku is winning. My real vote is for Douglas Adams. All hail the script editors.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


Bicyclops posted:

I'm not surprised that Goku is winning. My real vote is for Douglas Adams. All hail the script editors.

Douglas Adams was a good writer but not a great script editor. The stories during that time were not that great.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


bobkatt013 posted:

Douglas Adams was a good writer but not a great script editor. The stories during that time were not that great.

The Power of Kroll was a real stinkbomb, but I enjoyed every one of the serials from season 16.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Bicyclops posted:

The Power of Kroll was a real stinkbomb, but I enjoyed every one of the serials from season 16.

I thought Adams was season seventeen and Anthony Read did sixteen?

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


counterfeitsaint posted:

Sometimes I wish I could talk about this Doctor Who show that's on tv right now, but every thread is constantly derailed with people going on about all this weird 60s and 70s stuff.

And eighties

And Noughties, a lot of the discussion that's been happening recently has been about RTD and the first four series of the revival - discussion that's been driven by Jerusalem's posts on his rewatch.

So I guess if you want to post about something post about it and people will discuss it with you

counterfeitsaint posted:

I only recognize a single name on that list, and I haven't decided yet if I want to vote for that name or null vote.

Two of the names on the list have been the producer of Doctor Who in the last 5 years

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Metal Loaf posted:

I thought Adams was season seventeen and Anthony Read did sixteen?

Correct, Adams took over from Destiny onwards

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Bicyclops posted:

The Power of Kroll was a real stinkbomb, but I enjoyed every one of the serials from season 16.

Great, but that was Anthony Read's season, and he had nowhere to go but up from Underworld and Invasion of Time :snore:.

EDIT - drat YOU, BRITONS!

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


After The War posted:

Great, but that was Anthony Read's season, and he had nowhere to go but up from Underworld and Invasion of Time :snore:.


Shame he wrote one of those.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Open Source Idiom posted:

Shame he wrote one of those.

Lower expectations before you get the job, all going as planned

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


Oh, okay. I guess most of the post City of Death stuff was a bit forgettable. I should have gone with Son Goku anyway.

I think I've given GBS their fun with the drat whale, it's probably about time for some smug Hartnell. Here are the options I'm considering, I can't make up my mind:

1:
2:
3:

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Bicyclops posted:

Oh, okay. I guess most of the post City of Death stuff was a bit forgettable. I should have gone with Son Goku anyway.

Nothing about Horns of Nimon is forgetttable.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Bicyclops posted:

Oh, okay. I guess most of the post City of Death stuff was a bit forgettable. I should have gone with Son Goku anyway.

I think I've given GBS their fun with the drat whale, it's probably about time for some smug Hartnell. Here are the options I'm considering, I can't make up my mind:

1:
2:
3:

Leaning towards 3, though dat hat in 1 is certainly a compelling case.

Oh, and about the OP, I actually found a site reviewing the BF dramas that gushed about how perfect Minuet In Hell is!

Some Guy posted:

Minuet In Hell Mind of Evil - Meets - The US TV Movie
Pace & Development:
8
Originality:
9
Characterisation & Acting:
9
Intrigue:
8
Score:
85%

McGann delivers his finest performance to date in a story so brilliant weaved together that every scene is engaging. The roles of the Brigadier and Charley are well used and the strands of the plot drift in and out of each other in an enjoyable adventure with a great deal of depth.

Original link

Gaz-L fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2014 around 15:36

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


After The War posted:

Nothing about Horns of Nimon is forgetttable.

The Nimon be praised!

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


One day, the show will come back. Yes, it will come back. Until then, there must be no regrets about lost episodes, no tears over Matt Smith's departure, no anxieties about Moffat's writing. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to Capaldi that he is not mistaken in his.

Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



No Nick Briggs in the Poll? Suddenly the audio show doesn't count?

Gaz-L posted:

Leaning towards 3, though dat hat in 1 is certainly a compelling case.

Oh, and about the OP, I actually found a site reviewing the BF dramas that gushed about how perfect Minuet In Hell is!


Original link

Even though I feel like I was on the positive side of my opinion of Minuet in Hell with "It's so campy/goofy bad it's good!" I'm shocked that there's people actually professing it's straight out good.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006



Have any Americans received their Dark Eyes 2 discs yet?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Potsticker posted:

No Nick Briggs in the Poll? Suddenly the audio show doesn't count?


Even though I feel like I was on the positive side of my opinion of Minuet in Hell with "It's so campy/goofy bad it's good!" I'm shocked that there's people actually professing it's straight out good.

There are people who say the same thing about how perfect The Sirens of Time is.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?


Potsticker posted:

Even though I feel like I was on the positive side of my opinion of Minuet in Hell with "It's so campy/goofy bad it's good!" I'm shocked that there's people actually professing it's straight out good.

That guy also seems to really hate that Eight and Charley talk about love in Scherzo, too.

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Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



CobiWann posted:

There are people who say the same thing about how perfect The Sirens of Time is.

People who never listened to any other audios, right? ...right!?

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