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Best Producer/Showrunner?
This poll is closed.
Verity Lambert 49 7.04%
John Wiles 1 0.14%
Innes Lloyd 1 0.14%
Peter Bryant 3 0.43%
Derrick Sherwin 3 0.43%
Barry Letts 12 1.72%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 62 8.91%
Graham Williams 3 0.43%
John Nathan-Turner 15 2.16%
Philip Segal 3 0.43%
Russel T Davies 106 15.23%
Steven Moffat 114 16.38%
Son Goku 324 46.55%
Total: 696 votes
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McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Bicyclops posted:

Without having seen the whole show, the thirty second clip that introduced the concept seemed like a funny throwaway, but boy have they been stretching it!

To be fair, most of us community fans hate Inspector Spacetime too. I was a Community fan before I watched Who, and it still makes me mad that the actor who played Inspector Spacetime will NOT LET IT DIE.

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

f has a sale on the first four series of Jago & Litefoot, plus the CC "The Mahogany Murderers" and the two disc interview "Benjamin & Baxter" (which I highly recommend).

http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/jag...d-special-offer

Muppetjedi
Mar 17, 2010


Fungah! posted:

That cut with Levine's face superimposed over the citadel cracks me up every time, god

If he was crying it'll be the Doctor Who thread equivalent of

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Just got my copy of Dark Eyes II! I'm gonna TRY to pace myself through this weekend, but it's more likely I'll pop back in here in about 4-6 hours having listened to the whole thing. It was a bitch doing a listen-through of Dark Eyes I this week when all I wanted to do was buy and download the new one...but patience is a virtue they say.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 6, 2008

Enjoy your tea...



Forktoss posted:



~PROTECTOR OF THE LAWS OF TIME~

I also like the part where a super-90s Xtreme Dalek sets the Queen on fire:



Holy poo poo this is a goldmine. The 90s really were a dark time for Doctor Who weren't they?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


MrL_JaKiri posted:

Some sort of Brittas Empire if you will

Helen Brittas and Lucy Saxon have a lot in common!

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Jerusalem posted:

Helen Brittas and Lucy Saxon have a lot in common!

HOT SCOOPZ: CHRIS BARRIE TO PLAY DR WHOS MASTER???

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Ludicro posted:

Holy poo poo this is a goldmine. The 90s really were a dark time for Doctor Who weren't they?

I'm so glad I get to be the one to tell you that this came out last year.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 6, 2008

Enjoy your tea...



Chairman Mao posted:

I'm so glad I get to be the one to tell you that this came out last year.

You are joking right? I mean some of that stuff has to be from the 90s yeah?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Ludicro posted:

You are joking right? I mean some of that stuff has to be from the 90s yeah?

That shot of the Time Lord citadel is clearly from the new series.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Gaz-L posted:

HOT SCOOPZ: CHRIS BARRIE TO PLAY DR WHOS MASTER???

"I'm going to whip you to within an inch of your life, Doctor..... and then I'm going to have you."

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Jerusalem posted:

"I'm going to whip you to within an inch of your life, Doctor..... and then I'm going to have you."

"Because... I'm not a very nice person."

Also featuring the return of the Dream Lord, the part of the Doctor who pulled the wings off flies, loves to watch horror movies, wants all his companions to fail, lusts after meaningless sex and, on a hot summer's day, held a magnifying glass to a Dalek's eyestalk and watched him buuuuurrrrrrn.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 6, 2008

Enjoy your tea...



Gaz-L posted:

That shot of the Time Lord citadel is clearly from the new series.

Obviously that bit is, but everything else just looks so old.

That being said, the person doing the monologue right before the 90s Xtreme dalek exterminates everyone, is that the same person who played Nyder from Genesis of the Daleks?

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Ludicro posted:

You are joking right? I mean some of that stuff has to be from the 90s yeah?

The animated version of Shada was recorded really recently, maybe a year or two ago. I'm pretty sure all the Sylvester McCoy stuff was filmed after Courtney, Sladen and Ainley were all deceased*, again, placing it within the last few years. It's harder to date the animated photographs using soundalikes random people Levine pulled off the street but Death Comes to Time couldn't have possibly been before 2002, and I'm willing to guess that the other material that uses the same animation process isn't either.



Edit: *the intent was to combine footage from licensed material (which WAS shot in the 90s, just not by Levine) featuring the actors and combine it with new scenes filmed specially in Levine's basementgreenscreen room

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2014 around 23:41

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Chairman Mao posted:

Edit: *the intent was to combine footage from licensed material (which WAS shot in the 90s, just not by Levine) featuring the actors and combine it with new scenes filmed specially in Levine's basementgreenscreen room

Isn't he meant to be quite personally wealthy from his career as a music producer/mixer/songwriter/DJ back in the Hi-NRG scene in the 1980s?

According to Wikipedia he owns one copy of every single comic published by DC.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

You're absolutely right it might be an actual greenscreen room.

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3333 days!


I'm on my watch of the first doctors run, (i'm going to go through every surviving episode in order) and i'm on "The edge of destruction" episode 1. Its certainly an odd episode.

I noticed some music that reminded me of mystery science theater 3000, i want to say "The screaming skull" episode. Did 1960s shows and movies only have a small selection of incidental music they had to share?

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


MattD1zzl3 posted:

I'm on my watch of the first doctors run, (i'm going to go through every surviving episode in order) and i'm on "The edge of destruction" episode 1. Its certainly an odd episode.

I noticed some music that reminded me of mystery science theater 3000, i want to say "The screaming skull" episode. Did 1960s shows and movies only have a small selection of incidental music they had to share?

It's stock music, yeah. They start doing a little less of that later and you will yearn for the stock music.

Tom Nook
Nov 14, 2005

Always crashing in the same car

Umbra Dubium posted:

Which is why I voted for Segal. Yes, The Movie was disappointing in many ways, but after watching the documentary about its rather long inception, I think we should all be very thankful for what Segal managed to achieve.

He used what little clout he had to kill Lost In The Dark Dimension.

Sorry to bring this back from a few pages ago but I thought Dimensions in Time happened because The Dark Dimension got canceled but they still wanted to do something for the anniversary? Was Dark Dimension really going to be that much worse?

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!


Tom Nook posted:

Sorry to bring this back from a few pages ago but I thought Dimensions in Time happened because The Dark Dimension got canceled but they still wanted to do something for the anniversary? Was Dark Dimension really going to be that much worse?

Everything I've heard about it suggests it was going to be an absolutely awful grimdark 90s interpretation of Doctor Who. Yes, Dimensions In Time wasn't great, but at least it was the genuine article, so to speak.

greententacle
Apr 28, 2007

Mr Bubbles


Chairman Mao posted:

The animated version of Shada was recorded really recently, maybe a year or two ago.

Wait do you mean the flash animated one with the 8th Doctor? I'm pretty sure that predates the TV Revival. A quick search on YouTube says 2003. Unless they've gone and done another one?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

How does it taste?

Dinosaur Gum

For those who have listened to Dark Eyes 2, is the first story, Traitor, just supposed to end with the Doctor giving the Time Controller the detonation frequency and then just go straight into White Room? Or did something get messed up with my mp3s and I'm missing half the story?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


You didn't miss anything. There's a timey-wimey component to the story.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

How does it taste?

Dinosaur Gum

Gaz-L posted:

You didn't miss anything. There's a timey-wimey component to the story.

Cool. Dark Eyes 2 is my first purchase for myself from Big Finish, and I've heard rumblings that sometimes their mp3s aren't tagged properly. I'm all aboard the timey train if that's where this story is taking me!

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


The boxsets have been OK in that respect for me. It's more the earlier stuff, before MP3 was a thing for them, so they're basically just CD rips.

You're all good if The White Room starts with The Doctor being held at gunpoint in his house by Molly's 'cousin'

Sekkira
Apr 11, 2008

I Don't Get It,
I Don't Get It,



Watching the Sea of Death serial and so far it's fantastic. From the whole cliffhanger of "This is Barbra's... it's got blood on it!" and then solving it next episode with "Oh, I just got scared and scratched myself trying to tear it off! " to the realisation that the collecting of keys and travelling to different locations is a great D&D/video game style plot. The Doctor's just gone ahead to solo quest while the party goes to the screaming jungle.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Just about finished with Unregenerate! and.... holy poo poo, I did not see that plot twist coming. It's official, every idea we've liked in NuWho has been done (usually better) in Big Finish first. You can go home now, Moffat & Co. We've got our showrunners right here.

JUST FINISHED EDIT - Wow. That got really good. Sorry Neil Gaiman, but I like the Fahrenheit 451 ending better.

After The War fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2014 around 16:42

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Gaz-L posted:

You didn't miss anything. There's a timey-wimey component to the story.

Yeah, I did go back and check to make sure I hadn't shuffled my way into the next disc but then I remembered someone in this thread saying they were more interconnected but mostly separate until the end, so I plowed through. On disc 4 now and although the Master reveal was telegraphed by this thread, the casting notes AND the name of the goddamn disc, I was still happy to hear him! I enjoy Macqueen's take, but I was really expecting Mark Gatiss for some reason, since I loved the hell out of his Master in Sympathy for the Devil. .

Anyway, gonna go finish up Dark Eyes 2...last half of the fourth disc, and so much bonus material to go through! Anyone gotten through that stuff yet? Worth it?

After The War posted:

Just about finished with Unregenerate! and.... holy poo poo, I did not see that plot twist coming. It's official, every idea we've liked in NuWho has been done (usually better) in Big Finish first. You can go home now, Moffat & Co. We've got our showrunners right here.

I'm making this my next one after Dark Eyes 2 is over, I'm doing a lot of cleaning today and need good audio to keep going!

Potsticker
Jan 13, 2006



After The War posted:

Just about finished with Unregenerate! and.... holy poo poo, I did not see that plot twist coming. It's official, every idea we've liked in NuWho has been done (usually better) in Big Finish first. You can go home now, Moffat & Co. We've got our showrunners right here.

JUST FINISHED EDIT - Wow. That got really good. Sorry Neil Gaiman, but I like the Fahrenheit 451 ending better.


Big Finish even goes back around and tops itself. I feel like at its core, Unregenerate! felt very similar to thread favorite Minuet in Hell. I feel like McGann does put on the better performance in this case, McCoy gets the better script to work with.

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Dark Eyes II update...finished it.

On the whole, I enjoyed it. I liked the timey-wimey stuff going on with the sorta independent stories coming together in the 4th disc. The Master plot, I felt, was undeveloped. The Time Lords plucked him out, gave him another set of regens in order to...replace the Dalek with the Eminence? Or was The Master lying? I was a little confused on that one and it really wasn't referenced much in the resolution. It felt a little anti-climactic is all.

I'm sure I will pick up more and understand it better on the second listen through. Overall an enjoyable set of stories, though I enjoyed Dark Eyes I more. I'd say 7/10 vs Dark Eyes 9/10.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

McGann posted:

Dark Eyes II update...finished it.

On the whole, I enjoyed it. I liked the timey-wimey stuff going on with the sorta independent stories coming together in the 4th disc. The Master plot, I felt, was undeveloped. The Time Lords plucked him out, gave him another set of regens in order to...replace the Dalek with the Eminence? Or was The Master lying? I was a little confused on that one and it really wasn't referenced much in the resolution. It felt a little anti-climactic is all.

I'm sure I will pick up more and understand it better on the second listen through. Overall an enjoyable set of stories, though I enjoyed Dark Eyes I more. I'd say 7/10 vs Dark Eyes 9/10.

Obviously the Master was revived because the Time War was incoming and they needed soldiers, just like how the revival described things. The EDAs, and Dark Eyes in particular, are all about the lead-up to the Last Great Time War. The Eminence is just one piece of that puzzle. The Master's chronology is Eric Roberts -> Alex MacQueen -> Derek Jacobi -> John Simm, at least so far.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Sekkira posted:

Watching the Sea of Death serial and so far it's fantastic. From the whole cliffhanger of "This is Barbra's... it's got blood on it!" and then solving it next episode with "Oh, I just got scared and scratched myself trying to tear it off! " to the realisation that the collecting of keys and travelling to different locations is a great D&D/video game style plot. The Doctor's just gone ahead to solo quest while the party goes to the screaming jungle.

The Keys of Marinus is a story that should NOT work. It's a handful of standalone stories hurriedly written to fill in for another proposed serial and it stretches the already screaming budget beyond the breaking point (though the amazing super-lab scene is loving amazing) and yet somehow it works. For me anyway, I enjoyed it far more than I thought I would.

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009


The Keys of Marinus is pretty much a video game fetch quest, and I love it for it. I whish we'd see something like this in the modern show. Some plot having the Doctor travel around adventuring in different weird places for a couple of episodes.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Attitude Indicator posted:

The Keys of Marinus is pretty much a video game fetch quest, and I love it for it. I whish we'd see something like this in the modern show. Some plot having the Doctor travel around adventuring in different weird places for a couple of episodes.

"Doctor... The Key to Time is required once more."

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

Someone call the Chancellery Guard. Commander Maxil's out of uniform. AGAIN.

The_Doctor posted:

"Doctor... The Key to Time is required once more."

Oh no, not after last time

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



DoctorWhat posted:

Obviously the Master was revived because the Time War was incoming and they needed soldiers, just like how the revival described things. The EDAs, and Dark Eyes in particular, are all about the lead-up to the Last Great Time War. The Eminence is just one piece of that puzzle. The Master's chronology is Eric Roberts -> Alex MacQueen -> Derek Jacobi -> John Simm, at least so far.

I kind of had that feeling that was a reference to the time war, but I wasn't sure if there was another reference I was missing instead.

Thanks for the clearing-up, I'm re-listening to the 4th disc now and its much clearer with that in mind. Just the master being the master .

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


I know Big Finish use quite a few images from the new series, but can they actually use any of the ideas/themes/monsters from it? If not are they basically building up to the Time War only to never actually deal with it/call it that?

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

PriorMarcus posted:

I know Big Finish use quite a few images from the new series, but can they actually use any of the ideas/themes/monsters from it? If not are they basically building up to the Time War only to never actually deal with it/call it that?

Nope. And the only images they used were the new Daleks for Gallifrey VI and the undisguised TARDIS from "The Name of the Doctor", and they had to ge a special, one-off permission for that. They occasionally slipped something in (the 9th Doctor in "The Kingmaker", and psychic paper in "Paper Cuts", but no, they're expressly forbidden from referencing the new series.

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


Is there any news regarding them getting the license? The previous company that had them went bankrupt and before Christmas Big Finish kept teasing some big news that unless I missed it never came. Also Moffat loves them so it seems he'd be able to throw some weight around in their favour.

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

PriorMarcus posted:

Is there any news regarding them getting the license? The previous company that had them went bankrupt and before Christmas Big Finish kept teasing some big news that unless I missed it never came. Also Moffat loves them so it seems he'd be able to throw some weight around in their favour.

BF would love to have it, and Tennant has said he'd come back, but my guess is they probably wouldn't even begin to negotiate until their current license expires in 2016.

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