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Best Producer/Showrunner?
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Verity Lambert 49 7.04%
John Wiles 1 0.14%
Innes Lloyd 1 0.14%
Peter Bryant 3 0.43%
Derrick Sherwin 3 0.43%
Barry Letts 12 1.72%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 62 8.91%
Graham Williams 3 0.43%
John Nathan-Turner 15 2.16%
Philip Segal 3 0.43%
Russel T Davies 106 15.23%
Steven Moffat 114 16.38%
Son Goku 324 46.55%
Total: 696 votes
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Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Well it's not a checkbox poll but you got the important part right.

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Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Community fans. :barf:

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Hahahaha, you have no loving idea do you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUS9c8Ovs6c&t=2667s

He'll do anything.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Feb 21, 2014

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Ludicro posted:

Holy poo poo this is a goldmine. The 90s really were a dark time for Doctor Who weren't they?

I'm so glad I get to be the one to tell you that this came out last year.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Ludicro posted:

You are joking right? I mean some of that stuff has to be from the 90s yeah?

The animated version of Shada was recorded really recently, maybe a year or two ago. I'm pretty sure all the Sylvester McCoy stuff was filmed after Courtney, Sladen and Ainley were all deceased*, again, placing it within the last few years. It's harder to date the animated photographs using soundalikes random people Levine pulled off the street but Death Comes to Time couldn't have possibly been before 2002, and I'm willing to guess that the other material that uses the same animation process isn't either.



Edit: *the intent was to combine footage from licensed material (which WAS shot in the 90s, just not by Levine) featuring the actors and combine it with new scenes filmed specially in Levine's basementgreenscreen room

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Feb 22, 2014

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
You're absolutely right it might be an actual greenscreen room.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Forktoss posted:

Big Finish did initially have a different TARDIS model on the cover of The Beginning before The Name of the Doctor aired, though.



This is a release that kept getting pushed further and further back because of the 50th. I can't imagine the mad scramble as they had to call Ford back in to record new material referencing Clara (obliquely and subtly enough to get past the restrictions on their license) and ditch the completed cover art in favor of something a little more lore-friendly. A bunch of other companion chronicles each got bumped up a month because of it, it must have been a nightmare.

jivjov posted:

Listened to a good chunk of White Room on my commute home from work...always glad to hear a Hitchhiker's Guide reference! Future tenses are hard.

I'm going through Dark Eyes 2 at a much slower pace than 1 but I'm enjoying it a lot more than the first one. I think it's the variety, I was pretty sick of the Daleks by the middle of the first Dark Eyes but this one keeps changing things up. I can't say I was really surprised by the enemy reveal in the second episode but it was a rather pleasant non-surprise.


Was skipping over all the BBV stuff intentional here?

I mean I know that legally they didn't have the right to use The Doctor but the first season of releases that run from Republica through Guests for the Night are very clearly 7 and Ace. I've always felt that McCoy and Aldred slipped back into their roles a lot better than, say, Davison did. The voice, the attitude, just the general feel of the characters seemed a lot more natural on them in those first few releases, and I'd kind of attributed that to the fact that they'd been playing those characters again for an entire year beforehand.

More than that though the company as a whole was a notable stepping stone between the Audio Visuals material and Big Finish. It was the first actual, licensed Doctor Who audio material that Nick Briggs worked on, even had Mark Gatiss as a writer for a while. Most of the actual content is pretty loving awful, but it's fascinating in the way the New Adventures are, where you're watching people that you know are talented because you've seen the final result of their efforts but you're going back and watching them hew these concepts from the earth for the first time. They make mistakes, lord do they make mistakes, but there's a satisfying sense of progression from AV to BBV to BF where you really do get the feeling that when they make a mistake that they learn from it, not only that what they did didn't work and not to do it again, but why it didn't work and what makes it unappealing for the listener. You still have things like pretty little satin bottoms or alien breeding slugs slipping through from time to time, but by the time they'd made it to Big Finish there was a large enough group of people with a brutally intimate knowledge of the kind of traps that fans can fall into when writing for their favorite show to keep things from getting all mary-sue fanfic-y. While I'm sure that Big Finish's style has as much to do with reacting to the NA and EDA book range, there's no substitute for experience, and at the very least, Nick Briggs was accruing that in spades during his time at BBV.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Feb 24, 2014

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Despite the thread title Timelash actually is that bad.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Gaz-L posted:

Ahem, William Russell is The Doctor, Frazer Hines is The Doctor and Some Impressionist is The Doctor, too!

For all the complaints I heard about Tim Treloar when TLATE came out I'd still rather have Some Impressionist play the third Doctor than have him just not show up at all like he does in most of his Companion Chronicles.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Katy Manning's Third Doctor sounds a lot like Jon Pertwee if Jon Pertwee sat down and smoked like four packs of filterless cigarettes before every shoot.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
The Five Doctors made me want to watch The Three Doctors again

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Master is worse than Minuet in Hell and none of the Project audios even make the list?! :psyboom:

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:

Are they honestly going to reference that? I don't wanna sound like a hater but I found that scene (and the entire "Clara all over the doctors timeline" thing) awful.

The scene where they steal the TARDIS is rewritten to line up with the events of Name of the Doctor, except from Susan's perspective. The Doctor sends her into the TARDIS, but immediately changes his mind and picks a different one. The why of it is never explained for obvious reasons of course.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

bobkatt013 posted:

Ian Levine and Lawrence Miles

This would be great because they would probably kill each other if they tried to write a Doctor Who script together.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Trin Tragula posted:

Remember how people used to talk about RTD in mid-2009? Yeah, that, except there isn't quite an obvious successor waiting in the wings.

in The Writer's Tale, Russell T. Davies posted:

Joe Lidster is a genius. This is a fact. If he works hard, gets his head down, and realises what he's capable of, then in ten years' time, he could be... me. Sorry, no other way to end that sentence! Me! He could have his own studio, turning out his own shows, and be king of all that he surveys.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Both Brigadier audios are sold out, Storm Warning is sold out for obvious reasons. Flip-Flop is highly regarded (and admittedly, unpleasant subtext aside, quite good) and it has unique packaging, Scourge features the only official live action composite shot of the never-was early 90s TARDIS crew on its cover. Pirates has that whole "Gallifreyan Buccaneer" song that people who weren't tired of parodies of the Major General's song like ten years ago loving love, and of course Twilight is the first of the Project audios, I'm sure those godawful things have a devoted audience somewhere.

No idea about ...Ish and Nekromanteia.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Big Finish actually uses the background info that the show proper usually just dropped in there and never touched on again to flesh out their characters. It's great, you get things like Peri being a botany student coming into play (though I guess Timelash actually brought it up, so maybe Timelash wasn't th-- no never mind), things like Turlough meeting up with members of his own race (or referencing that he's an alien outside of Mawdryn Undead and Planet of Fire like, at all) even Nyssa gets a bit of a personality... eventually.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Death Comes to Time and Scream of the Shalka don't really fit anywhere either, the first for the ending, the second for obvious reasons. Shada does though, which is nice.

Also I just finished listening to Dark Eyes 2 and-- well, I never expected it to be THAT version of The Master, I didn't even think it was possible.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

McGann posted:

Has anyone either read Just War (New Adventures) or listened to the Bernice Summerfield-only audio adaptation? The general plot sounds interesting, and I know it's one of the "darker" New Adventure stories but I can't find much detail on any of the usual wiki sources.

Worth a read / listen?

Dude it's Lance loving Parkin, of course it is.

Be forewarned though that Roz, Chris and The Doctor are entirely absent from the audio version of the story, and basically all of Roz's subplot is omitted.

It's definitely one of the darker ones, but this TARDIS crew actually feels like it belongs in these stories. Ace always seemed weird because she was a very different character in the TV show so TV-Ace always felt out of place in these more "adult" adventures while NA-Ace didn't really feel like Ace at all.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Thing about The Adventure Games is that they are as painfully boring to watch as they are to play. You're going to have to be some charming motherfuckers to make that LP watchable.

Forktoss posted:

Fry simply didn't have the time and had to call the whole thing off.

I've always wondered what this was about. It doesn't seem like it would be too hard to change a script from Rose to Martha unless it featured Rose's family really heavily or dealt in some way with the romantic relationship between The Doctor and Rose that Davies had been developing for most of series 2. He also doesn't seem like someone who would be at a loss for people he could call about helping him wrap up a script to meet a deadline.

So what happened then? Was he being a perfectionist, not wanting to release a script until he's personally tweaked every single line to his satisfaction, or did his depression steamroll right over him one day making everything, script included, seem utterly impossible?

Or who knows, Fry's a busy guy, Doctor Who might have just been reeeeaally low on his list of priorities.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 25, 2014

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
I can see Tom Baker getting through about two pages of The Stones of Venice and just casually dumping the entire stack of scripts into the trash.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
I played a run through of Fallout New Vegas where I refused to even fire a gun, much less kill anything. I found myself talking my way out of situations, dodging gunfire and running from monsters. I still think that would make a pretty good starting point as a formula for a Doctor Who game.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

greententacle posted:

What I keep thinking of is that you know eventually someone's going to want to set another episode in the same time & place and then all the fans go "BUT THAT WAS OFF-LIMITS! WHAT ABOUT AMY AND RORY!"

Hold on while I count on one hand the amount of Doctor Who episodes set in america.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

After The War posted:

Doctor Who is an odd case, compared to other franchises, where the line between licensed work and official-(ly branded) product is a lot more blurred. George Lucas was involved, to some degree, with every Star Wars film. Gene Rodenberry was involved (very much to its detriment) with the first season of TNG. Even aside from the big names, there's always a very conscious torch-passing process. People who work on franchises hire people they like, generally from within the industry, who eventually take over as principal figures, etc.

Doctor Who, if was ever like that, ceased to be after 1989. Instead mercenaries of the Alan Dean Foster or R.A. Salvatore vein, you often had offscreen works by writers who had worked on the show and just wanted to keep writing Doctor Who. On the other side, you had young unproven fan writers who had a chance to work in a universe they loved. And unlike Star Trek or any other revived franchise - it was this group that brought the show back. In a very real way the current series is just as much a spin-off (or licensed fan-fic) as Big Finish.

During the "wilderness years", the new blood mixed with the old and many varieties of Doctor Who were born. One of the reasons we gravitate towards Big Finish is that they combine so much of everything Doctor Who. Actors who have played (and love playing) the Doctor. Writers who have worked on the original series, the new series, or sci-fi in general. Plots that don't need to be resolved in 45 minutes, or padded out to 200. Internal continuity or not. And it's all done by professionals who love the hell out of it*. It's a whole different animal than the "churn out the product" factory most people think of when they hear about an EU.

One more thing is that a lot of audios are as far removed from the idea of Doctor Who as a "children's show" as you can get. Not "adult" themes in the sex 'n' violence grimdark sense (Nekromentria notwithstanding), but... grown-up. To get the endings of Preperations For War and Blood and Water, you have to have lived and lost, yourself. That's not something I see enough in genre fiction, and it's the reason that, after 25 years of fandom, Big Finish is the Doctor Who I look forward to most.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

McGann posted:

This sounds like a stupid stoner thing to say, but if you've never listened to a high-quality, atmospheric Big Finish story while sitting in a dark room with your eyes closed baked out of your mind, you've not LIVED. Once they get their poo poo together, the storytelling potential is HUGE and they are trying to explore every possibility of the medium.

GonSmithe posted:

Yeah, it's totally a stupid :2bong: thing but I listened to Seasons of Fear high off my rear end in my room at night, and it was incredible.

Welp, think I know how I'm listening to my next audio.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Oooohhhh, 100 is a pretty good audio. Well, except for that one episode.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

jng2058 posted:

Any other recommendations for good audios from the one day sale (#51-100)? So far, all I've heard is 75% of 100...

Circular Time

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Cleretic posted:

Any other Doctor's outfit and you're either pushing it or clearly look like you're n costume. Eleven's the next best after Nine and Ten, and that is the clear barrier since even in-show he's dressed like a dork.

Sylvester McCoy dresses like the 7th Doctor all day every day and totally gets away with it. :colbert:

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

That sucks, Paul Spragg was always really helpful whenever I had a problem (he used to be the enquiries@bigfinish.com account) and even personally answered my (probably rather inane and fan-ish) question about why they hadn't used The Master in 7 years. :(

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

DoctorWhat posted:

At the risk of sounding ghoulish, what was the reason behind that?

I had contacted him in 2010, only about 6 months after The End of Time had aired, he said that the BBC wasn't preventing them from using The Master ever again, though he did speculate that they probably had requested that Big Finish not produce any Master-centric stories for a little while after his onscreen appearances.

The main reason he gave, however, is that they simply had other projects they were more interested in, and I can completely understand that. If you don't have a story you really want to tell, and just have a well known character make an appearance merely to make an appearance you're more or less starting your story upside down. Dominion and Mastermind were excellent in no small part due to the fact that they were very much about The Master.

He did assure me that he was fairly confident that The Master would make a return "when you least expect him" and sure enough it preceded one of the best Master reveals in history.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Jerusalem posted:

I wish they'd do a special on 4th Doctor Adventures, because Renaissance Man was a great taster but I can't really justify the cost of an entire season but I'd love to hear more Tom Baker.

Honestly you're not missing much. The fourth doctor adventures line is pretty bland.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Scherzo is the absolute high loving water mark for weirdness in Doctor Who.

The crazy thing is that isn't what makes it good. If Joseph Lidster had written a story where Charley and The Doctor spend the entire serial eating their own dead children where The Doctor slits his throat to save the day, and where Charley and The Doctor fuse into a single being complete with the :barf:est sound effects possible for a scene like that, well, you'd be calling for his head. But Shearman builds the entire thing around a relatively simple story (albeit largely obfuscated) that, more than anything, is a personal one. It's a character driven piece about the complex nature of love, just told in the strangest way possible.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Astroman posted:

Edit: Oh, and I don't know if anyone else here is hip to how cool Dark Shadows is, but Big Finish now has folks like Colin Baker, Nicola Bryant, and Arthur loving Darvill doing audio work along with the original cast! :dance:

McGann posted:

If anyone is on the fence about jumping into the Jago & Litefoot series, do yourself a favor and do it now. I listened to the first story in the set, immediately had to listen to the second, and am listening to the third while I get ready for work.

Rumor is the series only gets better, so I'm excited. It's a refreshing break from the main range, and the fact that they're all ~60 minutes in length make for the perfect run-time for a Sherlock Holmes style adventure.

Big Finish does genre fiction really well, if you like their Doctor Who work you will probably like at least a few of their spinoffs or unrelated series. I grabbed the Stargate boxsets when they were on sale and really liked them, Highlander gets a lot of praise too, unfortunately a lot of the non-Who series only get one or two waves of releases before they vanish due to poor sales. (Honestly if you'd told me in 1997 that Colin Baker would have more draw than Adrian Paul or Michael Shanks... well, I would have said "Who the gently caress is Colin Baker?")

Jago and Litefoot are an absolute delight to listen to, and while I have a handful of complaints about tonal missteps first episode is a bit of a downer, which is a misleading direction for the series and a certain character's inexplicable change in characterization another Doctor Who character appears, but regresses from her "Big Finish" version to her "TV" version between seasons it's a strong, strong series that I've listened to end to end without regret.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Cruel Rose posted:

Just finished listening to the second Klein trilogy (Persuasion et al). The whole thing was really strong! Seven gets some really good trilogies, whereas with the other Doctors they often fall apart by the last story.

Yeah, in kind of an irritating pattern, Big Finish has taken to more or less frontloading their trilogies with the best audios, knowing that people are more likely to buy the third one for some story closure (which sometimes there just isn't). It's nice to hear that this one bucks that trend.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

DoctorWhat posted:

Really, ask me about any of the first 50 stories and the DWM specials surrounding them and I can provide obscure trivia!

:colbert:

DoctorWhat posted:

EDIT: ahhahahahh it spends like 6 or 7 pages just talking about what a disaster Minuet in Hell was, this book owns.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
6 pages of what a disaster Minuet was, you absolutely need to elaborate.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
All this talk about Doctor Who porn and not one mention of the 2005 classic Doctor Screw? For shame.

Attitude Indicator posted:

What was the deal with the sonic in season 7? it kept making GBS threads out and being lost in several episode but I don't think it ever lead to anything?

It was simply a way to force The Doctor to solve problems without his magic wand. In the long run though 11 probably used the thing more than 10 even did so yeah, nothing ever came of it.


Edit: Just listened to the first two episodes of the Charlotte Pollard boxset, while the first episode was a perfectly passable pilot the second one is aggressively boring, it's one of the most paint-by-numbers things Big Finish has ever put out and the entire plot is dependent on everybody holding the idiot stick for the entire hour. Hopefully the next two episodes will be better because this is not off to a promising start.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 22, 2014

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Forktoss posted:

It was only a matter of time, I suppose.

Poor Kate apparently passed away just weeks before BF got their new Rani stuff into production. Very disappointed in the good taste shown in her new costume, at any rate.

That costume is loving awful. Siobhan looks so awkward in that picture. I didn't even know Kate O'Mara was dead. Why are Big Finish writing Rani stories? What the hell? What the hell?

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
So I finished up the Charlotte Pollard boxset. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the second half was much much better than the first.

DoctorWhat posted:

Kate wanted to come back as the Rani, talked to Big Finish, they got a script ready, then she passed away and wanted them to do the story anyway, so they had her regenerate. It seems pretty straightforward.

I was expressing shocked disappointment. You didn't actually have to answer the question you know.

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Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Amppelix posted:

I know I missed the entirety of the year of specials between 4 and 5 but I didn't feel like tracking those down

Dailymotion.

Amppelix posted:

I'm going to have to watch Day of the Doctor somehow though.

Dailymotion.

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