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mobby_6kl posted:Which would be a problem for her how? To be fair I don't really get what her plan was anyway. She wanted to torture him before actually killing him (as he directly stated to Liz) to get back at him for what presumably happend to her parents at the hands of the people he trained. Tranq -> Torture -> Kill
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mobby_6kl posted:Which would be a problem for her how? To be fair I don't really get what her plan was anyway. Wait, THAT was the propeller that exploded? I kinda assumed they were talking about some random mission in the past -- wouldn't it take at least a year or two to go from stealing pictures to putting it on a sub? TheAngryDrunk posted:I give The Americans credit for attempting to accurately portray tranquilizer darts. If I read this thread when I'm tired or stoned, I sometimes feel like it's full of Europeans judging us.
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Phenotype posted:Wait, THAT was the propeller that exploded? I kinda assumed they were talking about some random mission in the past -- wouldn't it take at least a year or two to go from stealing pictures to putting it on a sub? The whole point behind Oleg mentioning it to Arkady is that Directorate S didn't gently caress up and the plans weren't fake, the Soviet Navy tried adapting the props for a fast attack boat ("two sizes smaller") to a Typhoon as soon as they possibly could, rushing 5 months of testing into 3 weeks. Then they redlined the engines and the prop basically disintegrated.
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The handler mentioned to Phillip that they'd planted fake plans all over the country though. Oleg brought up the sped-up deployment process to point out the Soviets didn't do their due diligence to ensure the plans were any good.
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Party Plane Jones posted:The whole point behind Oleg mentioning it to Arkady is that Directorate S didn't gently caress up and the plans weren't fake, the Soviet Navy tried adapting the props for a fast attack boat ("two sizes smaller") to a Typhoon as soon as they possibly could, rushing 5 months of testing into 3 weeks. Then they redlined the engines and the prop basically disintegrated. I thought the plans for the propeller were for a sub 'two times bigger' than the Akula. To me it sounded like they put an Ohio-class propeller on an Akula fast-attack boat. The number of dead sailors doesn't match up for an Akula, but they don't match up for a Typhoon, either - and the Soviets wouldn't have put an experimental propeller on such a high value testbed. If anything (mil-nerd cap on), the 106 deaths figure matches up far better with a Victor I/II/III-class SSN. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:If anything (mil-nerd cap on), the 106 deaths figure matches up far better with a Victor I/II/III-class SSN. The number of deaths was 160, which is the exact size of the Typhoon complement. The first Typhoons were just being deployed/starting sea trials at around that time.
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Party Plane Jones posted:The number of deaths was 160, which is the exact size of the Typhoon complement. The first Typhoons were just being deployed/starting sea trials at around that time. A good post
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Probably the best episode this season, at least since the premiere. It's amazing that I hated Oleg so much at first and now he's fantastic, and I genuinely don't know if he's "true to the cause  " or if he's smart enough to just be really cynical about both sides.
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Oh yeah, I meant to share that thought too. Oleg loving owns and is probably my favorite character right now
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To my untrained ears it sounds like all the Soviets are native Russian speakers. It must have been a pain to only cast actors that could do that, but it adds a lot to the show.
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Mu Zeta posted:To my untrained ears it sounds like all the Soviets are native Russian speakers. It must have been a pain to only cast actors that could do that, but it adds a lot to the show. The main Soviet cast are all either native Russians/Soviets or were raised speaking Russian.
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The girl that plays Nina is legit as hell. Shes from afganistan and speaks like 4-5 languages or something I have kind of a crush on her since one of my fetish is multi-lingual girls Also really hot ones 
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Fetus Tree posted:The girl that plays Nina is legit as hell. Shes from afganistan and speaks like 4-5 languages or something She is terrific in this show. I hope she gets more high-profile work.
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She's awful in interviews, though, but yes, Nina's a really great character this season around.
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Fetus Tree posted:The girl that plays Nina is legit as hell. Shes from afganistan and speaks like 4-5 languages or something Apparently she speaks 6 languages, is a brown belt in karate, plays chess competitively, and has most of a Masters in global affairs from NYU. 
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CommanderApaul posted:The main Soviet cast are all either native Russians/Soviets or were raised speaking Russian. I love just how much attention to detail they put into this poo poo.
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precision posted:Probably the best episode this season, at least since the premiere. It's amazing that I hated Oleg so much at first and now he's fantastic, and I genuinely don't know if he's "true to the cause I wouldn't be surprised if he was planning to defect
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Tortolia posted:I love just how much attention to detail they put into this poo poo. That's really cool and I was actually wondering just recently if they dubbed the Russian in or how they managed to have realistic and well delivered dialog. Of course, it's always bothered me a bit whenever characters who are supposed to be native speakers clearly wouldn't be able to order a BigMac, let alone discuss foreign policy or something. It's just hilarious in Red Heat, but really weird in a serious movie - is it that hard to find a starving Russian speaking actor or just dub it in later?
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Fetus Tree posted:Oleg loving owns and is probably my favorite character right now This, has anyone said who his family connections are or are we just to make a guess it is some one high up in KGB/ Party? So the plan coming up was a real thing? Anyone have a good link to it would like to read up on it.
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mobby_6kl posted:That's really cool and I was actually wondering just recently if they dubbed the Russian in or how they managed to have realistic and well delivered dialog. I believe Phillip spoke Russian only once (in the first season), and it was dubbed. I don't recall ever hearing Elizabeth speak it.
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She did when she was shot. "Come home."
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ufarn posted:She's awful in interviews, though, but yes, Nina's a really great character this season around. Awful how? Like, boring, or arrogant, or shy? I haven't seen or read any interviews with her, so I'm just curious.
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Joramun posted:Awful how? Like, boring, or arrogant, or shy? I haven't seen or read any interviews with her, so I'm just curious.
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ally_1986 posted:This, has anyone said who his family connections are or are we just to make a guess it is some one high up in KGB/ Party? Well, his name is Oleg Igorevich, and there's no Igor here, unless you count Grigory Romanov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26th_Politburo_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union I think they just want to keep it filed under  .
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I think the implication is that Oleg's dad is involved in the KGB's more criminal side of things, though I may be remembering wrong. He certainly acts like the boss at the Residentura should be afraid of pissing him off, and is not afraid to gently caress around at work with no repercussions. I don't think it's all empty arrogance, and if he does end up wanting to defect that could be huge.
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Criminal to whom? Putting things in perspective, Stan just asked his boss if he could assassinate a foreign national living legally on the embassy lmao
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ally_1986 posted:This, has anyone said who his family connections are or are we just to make a guess it is some one high up in KGB/ Party? Arkady tells Nina his father is Deputy Minister of Transportation when they first introduce him
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Fetus Tree posted:Criminal to whom? In response to the abduction and murder of a FBI agent on American soil. Neither side on this show has any claim to the moral high ground, which is one of the better things about it.
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themrguy posted:In response to the abduction and murder of a FBI agent on American soil. Neither side on this show has any claim to the moral high ground, which is one of the better things about it. Well, Stan already kind of impulse-murdered someone for that (Vlad), so that's pretty much a lost justification.
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ShakeZula posted:Well, Stan already kind of impulse-murdered someone for that (Vlad), so that's pretty much a lost justification. It seemed less of a request, more of a warning. Time will tell.
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UtinniOnTheRocks posted:Arkady tells Nina his father is Deputy Minister of Transportation when they first introduce him Which is interesting, because even if it's a position of power, generally transportation was a poo poo job no one really wanted in the Soviet hierarchy. You were given impossible feats and tasks to accomplish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_the_Soviet_Union
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Oleg is from an "important family" so it's not necessarily just his father who's some bigshot, could be a grandfather, uncle, mother, etc. and it might not even be their job but just someone who has a close relationship with Brezhnev or Andropov
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I hope this series ends with Philip defecting to the US but not Elizabeth and the final season is them dealing with that and her suspecting him and then it culminates in a battle
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I hope the series ends with communism sweeping across the globe and all rich people being up against a wall.
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leidend posted:I hope the series ends with communism sweeping across the globe and all rich people being up against a wall. Spoiler alert: Nope. 
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Gonz posted:Spoiler alert: Nope. Except yes, but Elizabeth then wakes up to discover that she just had an operation on the wound sustained in season 1 finale. [E: typo] mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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BTW, what year is it in this show? 82?
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Fetus Tree posted:BTW, what year is it in this show? 82? Yes
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Cool. I wonder how they're going to handle Return of the Jedi being released in 1983 next season. I assume it will play a fairly prominent role
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