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Yeah I'll have to go ahead and side with the people complaining about the Paige storyline. It was my biggest fear after the Finale and well for good reasons. I also thought the second episode really wasn't that good. I thought the guy screaming about Reagan was way too hamfisted, I don't care for the scenes with both Stan and the double(who will eventually be a triple)-agent even though I like them both on their own and I found the idea of her holding a crowbar and scaring this man the way she did to be ridiculous. Sure we know she probably could kill him five different ways using that crowbar, but he wouldn't know that or have any reason to doubt this middle-aged woman with a weird haircut would be able to, either. It's only two episodes in so it's a bit early to say this season is terrible, I imagine they just have had to do some major realignments since they lost a major character to a terrible terrible network comedy. (Seriously, The Millers is painfully bad)
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BlackJosh posted:Paige is great. I like the idea that as the kids grow up there is going to be a real problem in keeping them in the dark about the family business. I think it's been pretty believable that she has questions and that mixed with some teenage rebellion make the storyline both very believable and interesting. I'm honestly really fascinated in the family life on the show though. And Paige is a really believable and likable kid. Henry too. I want time spent with them and not just all super awesome spy action. I think the Paige storyline is completely unrealistic. Their parents have done nothing that could arouse her suspicion, especially not to that level. It all started what, when she couldn't sleep and wanted to talk to her mother but she wasn't in her room and then saw her coming from the basement. Then she said 'Oh I was just folding some laundry' and when Paige looked in the basement later, lo and behold there was folded laundry in there! It's not like it's some kind of huge scooby-doo mystery. The writers have not given us a single reason why Paige should be in any way as suspicious as it is and it makes it look like the writers trying to throw a wrench in the whole thing rather than an organic story line that grows out of the interactions between the parents and children. Also I went out of my way to say that it's way too early to call it terrible, so.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:18
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Earwicker posted:I think it started before that. Paige told the girl on the bus that her suspicion was initially that one of her parents was having an affair, which kind of makes sense given what happened last season with Philip moving out etc. and I think it's reasonable that she still has some vague sense of suspicion but can't put her finger on it. I don't think so, remember toward the end of '66 they weren't even trying to get pregnant, and then they had Paige. Like at best they had this girl who's maybe like 14 at most. Even if she had a vague suspicion about how one of her parents were having an affair, there's no reason for her to go ahead and just be that suspicious and do the things she does. 'She's acting crazy and irrational because she's a teenager' only makes sense when it fits in with the rest of the character. We're supposed to believe that this 14 year old girl who doesn't even get out of bed at night to bother her parents because they forbid her to would then take the train for so long to go see a relative she never met before? I mean if she just needed to verify that there is someone called Aunt Helen who lives there, why not just give her a call? 'Oh hey I heard about your accident and wanted to know how you were doing' or whatever. How would her going there do anything good in the first place? How could she expect not getting busted pulling a stunt like that? Why wouldn't she just say to her parents 'I want to meet her' and constantly bug them about it instead like any normal teenager? I don't know, that little trip and her general suspicion just makes no sense to me at all. My dislike of that plotline might be coloring the way I see it though, I'll admit. I just never finished a scene with either Page or Henry and thought 'Man I wish we'd get more of them on the screen'. Tortolia posted:Elizabeth came across as weirdly defensive about the whole "doing laundry" thing, in fairness. Couple that with her parents having some weird rear end schedules and a fairly recent parental separation period and I can completely buy Paige being suspicious. Well yeah she was acting a bit weird, but when Paige saw that there was in fact a folded load of laundry on top of the machine the next morning, it should have ended there. I know her parents are spies and do all sorts of shady poo poo but she's insulated from that life and should have no reason to start snooping like that all of a sudden quote:I just loved watching Philip laying down the law with her. He's the "nice" parent and that just made it all the more striking when he sat her down. It also helped that you couldn't tell how much of the anger was because she was snooping around their spy cover and how much was genuine parental disapproval at her lying and thinking she was smart enough to get away with it. Oh yeah that was hands down my favorite part of the last episode
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Mar 14, 2014 16:56
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Earwicker posted:Yeah she is a pretty boring character because there's no indication of her having any kind of life or interests outside of her being suspicious of her parents. I thought last season they were working towards some kind of situation where she and Stan's son had some kind of romance, which could have been pretty awful, but they seem to have all but gotten rid of that dude. If she was a fully fleshed-out character instead of clearly just acting as the writers' plot device I probably would enjoy this plotline more I suppose. Have we even seen Stan's son? They seem to have moved away completely from any plotline related to his family for now. That scene where he was playing bass(?) and she was sitting there and the other girl came in etc... was probably the one time I thought Paige had some interesting and realistic material to work with. Well that and the time she brained that poor fella who only wanted to tell them to live nice lives and be nicer to their parents and not to put themselves at risk uselessly because we only live once but alas his speech was cut short 
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Mar 14, 2014 17:03
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The guy is a factory worker in the middle of the day faced with a woman he has at least 6 inches and 100 pounds on her. Not only that, but he's working somewhere where he needs to have a security clearance so it's not like he's a guy on his milk run not thinking about the possibility of danger. Just seeing her hold that crowbar shouldn't have been enough for him to collapse and give away everything right away. I mean were we supposed to think he was the only guy left with top secret material in a warehouse in the middle of nowhere? It was a poorly scripted scene but it's ok, it's still a really good show.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:30
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A 12 year old girl holding a crowbar could be intimidating. Anyone who holds a tool they can then use to make you feel pain is going to be at least slighlty intimidating. That's not in question here. The point is that a man who was much taller, much fatter and most likely stronger in a warehouse that's probably filled with guards and other workers wouldn't immediately become a blubbering mess begging for his life if he walked in a situation like that. He could have screamed for help, ran away, or even try to take the crowbar from her. All actions that are a lot more plausible than immediately begging for his life and leading them to classified poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:49
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BIG HEADLINE posted:To be fair, in that fight she was extraordinarily lucky. Even if she were a world-renowned expert in Combat Sambo (probably what she would've been primarily instructed in), nothing's going to save you when the person you're fighting has 100lb+ of muscle on you, knows how to use it, a longer reach, and probably practices *way* more than you do. I haven't seen either of them sparring to keep sharp, or doing any sort of physical fitness regimens. You know what, I never thought about it before but you bring up a good point. They have been in America for what, 15-16 years now? You would think that, unless they are both masters of Sambo and constantly practice, they are bound to have become really rusty in terms of fighting. Nearly getting killed or having their asses kicked pretty good and having to juggle practicing Sambo regularly to get back in perfect shape and their family lives could be pretty interesting. quote:The only reason that scene happened was to show that she still had 'fight in her.' It sort of reeked of the kind of situations they put the lead character in The Blacklist in to prove that she's a ~strong and independent woman~ Yeah it kind of felt like the warehouse factory, just another scene to showcase that 'Even though she was shot, she's still as badass as ever!'
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Mar 23, 2014 15:08
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precision posted:gently caress this is brutal. Philip's gonna let him go, isn't he? I thought it was heartbreaking, too It served as a good reminder that Philip and Elizabeth are still monsters under that nice suburban exterior
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Mar 27, 2014 15:50
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