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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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I think looking at the UK series is a fairer assessment of Ramsay himself in turning around a restaurant. In that iteration it was simply just him coming in and improving the food, maybe a bit of sprucing up on a nil budget, and ad campaigns over the course of the week. Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of drama. Obviously the relationships could be just as tumultuous and he had to play therapist on more than one occasion, but at the heart of it all was the food and why people weren't actually visiting the restaurant to eat there, rather than why the family surrounding it was failing.

In the US version it's a matter of coming in, telling them they've been doing it wrong, fighting with the family, getting the family to stop fighting, showing them a couple better dishes (they never make it quite clear how the whole menu evolves anymore,) renovating the place with a FOX crew and budget, and hoping for the best after that one opening dinner service. Any number of things that aren't the food could cause a downfall, several of which are things Ramsay has no control over, including location, finances (especially if they're already in debt,) and general patronage.

Every UK show included a revisit a month or two later as part of the episode as well, including any additional advice should it not be working quite right. The US version has the occasional "Revisited" episode where they look at three places and basically tell you if it's still there.

In other words, a facelift doesn't necessarily fix the emotional issues of a person, and that's essentially what the US version is more than anything else.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Luigi Thirty posted:

I don't know which one it was but the one with the husband and wife who went back into the restaurant business after retiring and all the food was done by the 60 year old husband with egg timers everywhere was

Or the one where the chef meant well but taught himself out of celebrity cookbooks and Gordon made him throw them all away and taught him some real dishes.

The Fenwick Arms and The Fish and Anchor respectively.

Both closed, although the Fenwick reopened last year as a seafood restaurant with new owners.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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pentyne posted:

There are quite a few "we pooled our savings and opened this restuarant because its our/my dream and now we owe $500k". Even places with great food fail, like Momma Cheri's. She started doing fantastic and moved into a larger building and expanded too fast and ended up closing.

The catering/restaurant industry is brutal and very few non franchise locations end up succeeding. Those that do have to compete with places like Olive Garden and Red Lobster offering huge portions for discount prices.

Not to mention they tend to use mass produced materials for saving money.

I think one of Ramsay's own places had a bit of a scandal for using frozen product for pub food.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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I'll certainly take HK over KN.

Probably does better ratings anyhow.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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A preview of the main titles for Season 12 is up on the Hell's Kitchen site. The theme is noir crime comic book.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Sticky Keys Man posted:

Am I the only one that noticed that Jason (guy in preview trying to eat the baby goat) is the same guy from Season 9 who got sick and had to leave on the first day?

That does look like him, doesn't it? He's got the distinction of being fastest eliminated. Nice to see him back, though he seems kind of rowdy based on that preview.

I always wondered if they would one day do an All Stars season with the most notorious contestants and others who had to leave for medical reasons.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Twee as gently caress posted:

I'm really annoyed they haven't bothered with interviews, bios and pictures of the contestants this year. They always do.

Might have something to do with the show being brought back like three months ahead of schedule 10 days after the announcement though

That's what I was thinking. Heck, even last season they waited until five or six days before to put them up.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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While they aren't on the website, several sites including the official facebook have put up info on this season's contestants:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/hell...151943083381478

It also mentions the prize this year once again being a head chef position at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant. If I had to guess, it could be Gordon Ramsay BurGR at Planet Hollywood.

Also there are three different Michaels, which makes me think one will be Mike (Aresta,) one will be Michael (DeMarco,) and Michael Gabriel will just be called Gabriel.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Oughta get this out of the way:

Hell's Kitchen Contest 2014

- 3
"IT'S RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAWW" - 4
"BIG BOY!/STUPID COW!" - 6
"C'MERE!" - 35
"SHUT! IT! DOOOOWWWWWN!!!!" - 9
"GET OUT!!" - 28
General rear end-Kissing - 8
General Douchebaggery - 60
Food Smashed or Thrown - 11
Emotional Breakdown - 22
- 5
Misleading Preview Moments - 17

(Tiebreaker) Winner = Chris

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Does that Get Out! count?

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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There's the Mary of this season.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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They really went all out on the casting this time, huh?

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Mad Dragon posted:

How do you get to be a customer at HK? I would love to have a front row seat to the madness.

Basically have to get tickets like you would to any other show.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Duh passion .... duh attitude ... uh duh desire.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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I'll be honest, I thought it would be Nicole, or at least not him, despite the finger thing. Maybe if he had a little more bass in his voice.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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RustyTrombone posted:

We all have put finger in food, we all have done it.

Probably the truth.

But you don't do it in a professional kitchen, much less a fine dining one. You use a tasting spoon, you use a fresh pan, you don't even use extra risotto for the next ticket's order (especially if it's for Ramsay's family.)

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Tasteful Bulge posted:

It's hard to do a perfect sear on a scallop when a producer is running around under the set messing with the gas flow to the burners.

Anything's possible.

Even without that, you know they purposefully cast chefs who have more personality than skill, and Ramsay even admitted as such. Of the 20 on the show this season, there's probably between 5-10 they think could be a serious competitor, and less than five they view as being legitimately capable of doing the prize job well off the bat.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Who wants to bet the losing team starts tossing carrots at the person they blame for losing them the challenge?

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Older contestants having a love connection?

That's new.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Welp, see ya. Would have been gone first if Gaurav wasn't so nonchalant about the finger thing.

Even her black jacket photo looks dull.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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It doesn't always work, but you have a much better chance of advancing if you show some fight instead of just, "Y-yeah, I got passion, sure." Which the last two contestants did.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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liltimshady posted:

Normally serving raw chicken - twice - would be grounds for elimination. But Nicole was just so useless from her signature dish to her exit interview.

Not to mention part of the reason his chicken was raw was because his teammate was sending the fish too early.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Mad Dragon posted:

Didn't Gordon give someone poo poo for using a thermometer a couple seasons ago? It was either HK or Masterchef. I guess it's a professional chef faux pas?

He did on Hell's Kitchen, which is funny, because they all were carrying them in their arm pockets. And I think he's actually forced another chef to use one when he couldn't get temps right. More something else to give them grief for since he's perfected simply touching the food to know the temp.

As far as the idea that the stoves get messed with, it's one of those things you can't be sure of, and I don't necessarily believe it. Keep in mind they're under immense pressure to get the food out, and sometimes it can look cooked on the outside without being cooked on the inside. I'm no pro chef, but I often have trouble with it myself when it's just me staring at it for as long as I need.

And like I said, one of the instances tonight was because another teammate dropped the fish and then brought it up too early, so he was pressured to get it to the pass. It's always better to tell Ramsay you need more time than to serve something raw, but it doesn't always go down like that.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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You'll get poo poo for taking too long with the food, but like I said before, he would much prefer proper food that took longer than raw food given to him quickly. Too many chefs do the latter and it hurts them. You'll get chewed out either way, but "I took a little long on the chicken" sounds a lot better than "I'm sorry I served you raw chicken."

And sometimes chefs just lose their heads entirely. Remember when Josh kept making more and more spaghetti without being told?

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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It's pretty easy to cut yourself on a mandolin if you aren't paying attention.

Utopia? Oh boy...

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Anton's voice made me think Chef Scott was back for a minute.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Taco Bell breakfast? mmm mmmmm

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Eh, this is how it goes when you start with 20 people.

That's why they keep having a chef in the dining room serving tableside.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Whooooooa, didn't expect that one.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Alterian posted:

I had a dream the other night my husband and I were on a new Gordon Ramsay cooking show where couples have to produce a meal with a main dish, side dish, and dessert while competing against other couples in a 2 hour time limit. We were making a standing rib roast. I was going to make something lamb related, but changed my mind.

I once had a really corny idea for a show called "'Til Dish Do We Part," where two chef couples would compete against each other, and then the winning couple would go head to head to see who was the better chef between them.

I mean, if Bobby Flay can have five different shows about beating him in a cook-off, this could be worth a least a season order.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Wintermutant posted:

Unfortunately, they don't have the episode online yet, but if anyone's interested in catching one of the repeats, Chef Tommy from season 9 of Hell's Kitchen was on this week's episode of Cutthroat Kitchen.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/cu...ii-5-oh-no.html

Good grief, all those new tattoos. Wonder if he's still with that girl he bought the dress for.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Ariel from Season 6 was on that new Food Network show tonight, Kitchen Casino.

Edit: And Season 3's winner Rock was on Chef Wanted with Anne Burrell, apparently having been out of the kitchen for three years.

Edit2: Turns out Barrett from last season was on that same Kitchen Casino as Ariel. Man, I'm bad at recognizing them at first.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Really the most interesting part of HK is the new challenges they come up with, like that little bike relay in the parking lot. Beyond that, it's the same old, same old. And the first half of the show, especially with 20 people, is fat cutting.

I think back to season 3 when all the chefs were sort of characters and you could relate to each other them in a way. Like when the nanny, short order cook, and pastry chef beat the team of trained and executive chefs. Now it seems like they really push not for characters or underdogs, but who seems most likely to just start yelling in the dorm.

I still like the show and all, but I found myself totally detached from tonight's episode, barely even paying attention. Even the wedding wasn't treated like a big deal, it could have easily been a brunch for firefighters or anything else again. Heck, we don't even know what the prize is this season other than "a position at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant." It all just feels too unimportant.

By the way, I'm not very interested in Amy's Baking Company anymore either. Unless Ramsay himself physically goes back to confront them, it'll just be a big montage of stuff we've probably already seen and nothing will change.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Waiting for inevitable "Fiona would make a better manager/chef/owner!" comment.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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One difference I always notice between KN and Restaurant Impossible - they always claim word has spread about Ramsay being in town, which causes the people to flock to the restaurant for a disastrous service, yet on RI they simply admit that Robert's brought the people in.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Is this a two-parter? Seems like they spent an awful lot of time on the junk aspect.

Edit: Apparently not. I know this show stopped being about the food a long time ago, but drat, you'd think with such a wacky menu they'd spend at least a couple minutes highlighting a decent dish or two to replace it.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Heh, no kidding. The service was in trouble and bounced back in a matter of 20 seconds.

OmegaBR
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surf rock posted:

Honestly, if Ramsay came here to renovate a restaurant, I would at least consider going there and eating a presumably lovely meal for the chance to see him.

The relaunch dinner was really brief for this one, but apparently she didn't implode, so I don't know why you'd have to show a long service if everything went fine.

It's not that I want to see a long service, so much as have some emphasis on the food itself beyond just putting all the plates out for them to sample, a segment that usually lasts 20 seconds itself. Nasty kitchens are the bones of the show, granted, but you see one, you've seen most. Show them how to cook at least one dish at least.

Another Greek place? I wish they'd do another Mexican or Japanese one.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Might just be crafted editing, but I like how they're all screaming FIRE! and ways to put it out, yet nobody actually approaches it until Ramsay does.

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OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

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Aw, Ramsay's kids are so grown up now.

Always kinda interesting watching that sort of thing. From babies in Boiling Point 'til now.

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