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Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Madrox posted:

That Weird Fantasy issue is so great. You really have to consider the time period for context as well. The issue came out in 1953 as noted, and the civil rights movement in America is often marked as solidly beginning 2 years later in 1955 (though I've often thought it silly to try and date something like that).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC_Comics#.22Judgment_Day.22 posted:

This really made 'em go bananas in the Code czar's office. 'Judge Murphy was off his nut. He was really out to get us', recalls [EC editor] Feldstein. 'I went in there with this story and Murphy says, "It can't be a Black man". But ... but that's the whole point of the story!' Feldstein sputtered. When Murphy continued to insist that the Black man had to go, Feldstein put it on the line. 'Listen', he told Murphy, 'you've been riding us and making it impossible to put out anything at all because you guys just want us out of business'. [Feldstein] reported the results of his audience with the czar to Gaines, who was furious [and] immediately picked up the phone and called Murphy. 'This is ridiculous!' he bellowed. 'I'm going to call a press conference on this. You have no grounds, no basis, to do this. I'll sue you'. Murphy made what he surely thought was a gracious concession. 'All right. Just take off the beads of sweat'. At that, Gaines and Feldstein both went ballistic. 'gently caress you!' they shouted into the telephone in unison.
Captain America's got nothin' on that.

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Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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There's a terrible lack of The Sixth Gun in this thread.

The Six are primal weapons forged by the devil hisself, and the greatest of them is the Sixth. Wielded by an undead confederate general, it recently fell into the unlikely hands of a Preacher's daughter.

quote:

One strikes with the force of a cannon shell. One spreads a flesh-rotting disease. One spreads the fires of Perdition. One allows the wielder to heal from any wound. One can call up the spirits of the people it has gunned down.

The Sixth Gun grants the wielder the gift of prophecy.

Our hero, Becky, is exhausted, hunted and haunted, and has had enough of this poo poo.




Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Let's have some good old fashioned two-fisted heroism, then.

Galactus has popped up in the Ultimate Universe, and is wrecking everything. Kitty Pryde, mutant terrorist, is flash-recruited to stop him.




:black101: :hellyeah:



-Cataclysm: Ultimate's Last Stand #4, #5.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Dick Trauma posted:

When did Kitty turn from "mutant with no particular value" to "punching Galactus in the face"?
Evil Reed gave her a high-risk power boost that should have killed her.

Have some more heroism from the best duo in comics. It's not their actions that are badass - it's their simple, naive, good-hearted optimism and indomitable spirit.


X-men: To Serve and Protect #1

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

He gives Victor a copstache, in the first part (really only shows near the end), and I could have sworn Santo had one glued to the hockey mask, but I just checked, and nope.
I think there was some fanart of this, but I'm not sure if it was ever official.




X-Men: To Serve and Protect #4

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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The Star Slammers, Space Marines for hire, have just defeated an enemy army and have returned for payment. They discovered that one of their client's allies is a traitor.


Star Slammers #1.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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You're blind or crazy. Take a look at Ed Bene's Power Girl, DC's other premier cheesecake guy. Stiff, forced figures with identical bobbleheads.


Now compare it to Amanda Conner - her figures have more natural posing, the facial expressions are exaggerated and animated, and every sketch has a looseness and confidence. Even when she's drawing unrepentant pinup work, her characters have so much personality and life I can't get angry about it.


Sexuality in comics isn't the enemy here - it's the juvenile one-sided approach to it that's the problem. When you look at the majority of Big Two comics, the women feel like a product sold to the audience. Oversexualised teenagers, forced boobs n' butt poses, monotonous body types, and throughout it all, a pervasive porn-ey atmosphere jammed into stories that are not appropriate for it.

Amanda Conner's work tends to feature sexy cheesecake, yes, but she doesn't mangle the storytelling by forcing it in. Her Power Girl run is about a confident, sexy lady having comedic sexy lady adventures, and the writing and art perfectly match that.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I wouldn't say she's an airhead so much as the world she's thrown into is simply incomprehensible. It's so huge and alien that she hasn't had a chance to make any decisions yet. It's a pretty wild comic, though!

Affi posted:

This thread totally got me hooked on Strong Female Protagonist and Rat Queens. They are both really loving good. Is there anything else in that vein around here?
Those comics are both super great, but they're also very far apart in tone. What aspects of them do you enjoy most?

Squidster fucked around with this message at 22:24 on May 12, 2014

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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If your criteria is 'awesome ladies doing awesome things' then I do recommend Delilah Dirk, a book I picked up at TCAF.

It's a swashbuckling tale of an adventuress in India, as she sails a flying boat, entangles her best bro Selim into hijinks, and drinks excellent tea.



It is super chill.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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mind the walrus posted:

That comic written by Max Landis has Nu52 Superman meeting Joker for the first time and basically totally emasculating the Joker's schtick via polite indifference. It was really refreshing to see.










Adventures of Superman #40

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Soonmot posted:

My irrational hatred of anime caused me to close this book at the hipster otaku shopkeeper and drop the series again. gently caress is that insufferable.
Shocking truth: The people the book is targetted at? They probably grew up watching Teen Titans on Toonami. Including modern kid's tv as backstory is a smart choice that helps the reader identify with the protagonist. Also drat, you old son

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Why yes, that context-less violence is certainly badass and a thing worth celebrating, yes.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Ruins is really the epitome of childish faux-maturity. It's like a greasy little trenchcoated manchild having a huff about how everything sincere and optimistic's for babies, man. Without Marvels, it wouldn't exist, and it didn't really need to.

I'm also going to voice the unpopular opinion that Planetary is really self-indulgent. It's one of those comics-about-comics metawanks that has difficulty reaching any reader not already drenched in comic trivia. Because it's so meta, and so reactionary, it ends up with no coherent universe or stakes. It's cool moments are overshadowed by the fact that they happen in a complete vacuum.

But this is the Badass thread, not the comic putdown thread, so let's post some panels!







Ragnarok #3

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I'm not going to lie to you - Ragnarok is incredibly loving metal on every page. Every splash panel could be an album cover.

Bohemian Nights posted:

I don't really agree with that. Planetary is one of the comics I've sold the most, and I've gotten plenty of positive response from non-cape readers who read Planetary and loved it- often people who generally steer clear of superhero comics and don't give a poo poo about "metawanking", whatever the that is supposed to be.
I feel like every issue was just references to cooler stories, with an often unnecessary dark twist. It's like an Epic/Scary Movie parody - "remember this cool thing? Haha, what if like, he got cancer and died? Haha he's a pervert" level stuff. It didn't add anything new, and it heavily relies on the readers having identical cultural experiences to the author.

Some of the more widespread stuff - Lovecraft, Batman, Holmes, still sort of hit, but if you aren't familiar with the Fantastic Four, the villains simply don't have any characterization in the books. Like fanfic, the author assumes we don't need it.

The art's gorgeous, though.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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This page is just incredible - the sheer amount of motion the artist conveys, and how the lines direct your gaze through the page. Manga at the top of its craft.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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To get the thread back on track with the whole excessive violence front, have some Voynich Hotel.

The protagonist, a gangster who fled with millions of syndicate money, has been caught by the syndicate. His lover is a very old and very dangerous witch.

( read right-to-left )






- Voynich Hotel Day 66


Anime. I'm not super comfortable with the dude's drawing style, but the character at least acts like a mature adult.
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Squidster fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 10, 2015

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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A future version of Loki be stirring up poo poo during the middle of Hickman's Convergence stuff, and it's time to get serious.



Loki: Agent of Asgard #14

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Congressman John Lewis's March is pretty much just excessive non-violence.

You should go out immediately and buy both books, because they are phenomenal. They're inspired by the protest comics he read growing up, and they tell an emotionally devastating story without melodrama or sentimentality. It's incredible stuff.






Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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X-O posted:

I miss that series :(
You know who else misses Avengers AI? Victor Mancha.



I got the Vision trades for Christmas, and it is pretty kickin' rad. Y'all should be reading this book.

I've spoiler-tagged it because even though it's from November last year, some folks may still be reading it.






- Vision #11

Squidster fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jan 9, 2017

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Archyduke posted:

For a long-winded and meandering example of these formal differences, Western cape comics and action-oriented manga treat the space of the "fight" in disparate ways. Superhero comics tend to elide fights except for big beats, and if they run long it's as a medium for character drama. Spider-Man fights Doc Ock for eight pages so he can talk to Doc Ock for eight pages, or think about Doc Ock for eight pages, or spend eight pages thinking about ways in which his fight with Doc Ock mirrors or supplements stuff going on in his life. It's like Jacobean drama-- the fight is where catharsis happens, but most of the thing is the tension leading up to the fight or dealing with the consequences of the fight. There's the much derided convention of characters in mid-lunge delivering big chunks of exposition-- but I don't think that has to be a problem, because these fights are often just as much about character drama being expressed physically more than they are about clarity and linear continuity-- and it's often very effective. With the right artists-- John Romita Jr., Paul Smith, Byrne-- Chris Claremont's fights in Uncanny X-Men could be all-time greats, well-paced, exciting, and crisp, even while being extraordinarily talky. A big exception is Frank Miller, whose fights do tend to be more choreographed, but he, of course, was very much influenced by manga. Also Emma Rios in Pretty Deadly.

Manga on the other hand is often all about breaking a fight into its minutia, tracking it beat by beat. This can lead to long, protracted, tedious fights-- a common complaint about Bleach, to name a pretty popular one-- but it can also lead to fun, operatic fights with lots of unexpected twists and turns (another really popular one-- the above-mentioned One Peace, which David Brothers has written thoughtfully about in the context of its fights, is noted for this, ditto, say, Fist of the North Star or Jojo's Bizarre Adventure), or be really strikingly choreographed and plotted out dances between the characters (here are a few good articles by the cartoonist Katie Skelly that explain this better than I can in the context of Hiroaki Samura's Blade of the Immortal. At the same time, this means that when manga does short, impressionistic fights in the Western-ish style, it still prioritizes moments and beats differently than somebody like Mark Bagley, who does great fights but coming from a much different tradition. Taiyo Matsumoto is great for this-- most of the fights in No. 5 are very short, but even when they become protracted they're done very efficiently, giving an impression of brutality and speed that really only works when you're used to the form lingering on the moment-by-moment poetics of battle scenes.
This is a good post and I appreciate it. I think the length of the average chapter has a big effect on this; in a 22 page monthly western comic, a beat-by-beat combat rapidly consumes the entire book. However, if you have 50-odd pages of manga to work with, you can have both a cool engaging fight sequence and time to move the story forward.

Here's one of my favorite moments from Spirit Circle, a story about eternal hatred across all of time and space. The two lead characters are reincarnated across history, lead normal lives, and then fate drags them together to destroy each other.

In this feudal chapter, the protagonist is trying to buy time for his royal sister to escape, while his enemy pursues. In this lifetime, this is the first time they've seen each other. It's quite a few pages, but a quick read ( right-to-left obv. ).











The two actually end up surviving and coming to a truce in this lifetime, but it never lasts.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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So, the folks in Delicious in Dungeon are hunting a Red Dragon. Laius, the swordsman, lost his sister to the damned beast only weeks before. ( Read right to left )

It tears through their party like paper, and nothing they have can scratch it's armour. It's only weakpoint is a missing scale on its neck.












Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I don't think Delicious in Dungeon has been posted to this thread yet; I have posted some manga to it in the past. Delicious in Dungeon is hella charming and full of fun characters, so it has my whole-hearted recommendation for those who like:

1) cool heroes fighting weird monsters
2) cool heroes cooking and eating the aforementioned

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Discendo Vox posted:

"Realism" doesn't work well as a defense or explanation when the comic also does this. The police aren't racist because it's realistic or some sort of social commentary, they're racist because the writer wants to have characters be racist, so that the writer can be racist. This method lets the author equivocate with transgressive imagery because the world of the comic is an unpleasant place. Ennis and Millar both use the same routine. That's the whole point.
I don't know that I'd agree that the writer is racist, but they're definitely using casual racism to reinforce a setting based on edgy nihilism. "Don't you get it maaan? The whole world's corrupt! There are no good people!" Having every character be reprehensible in some instant way is a good shortcut to Gritty Realism ( teen edition ).

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Here's some classic badassery ( and Loki dickery ) from Simonson's Thor run. ( do y'all own the Omnibus? You should own it )

Odin has sent Baldur the Brave, to deliver an urgent message to Loki's castle. The old enemies are gathering, and if Loki does not fight beside Asgard, the universe may be lost. Baldur is a broken god with PTSD, and who, having visited Hel and seen those he killed suffering there, has sworn to never do violence again.








Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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You want badass? How about FLAME SWORDS and LASER DEMON EYES and CURSED CYBER-ARMS

So an everyday dad gets a magic lamp for helping an old lady cross the street, and the genie inside promises to make all his dreams come true. ( read right-to-left )







Selected pages from Mizukami Satoshi's "Too Late For Fantasy."

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I also did skip a bunch of pages showing buildup, Tokyo getting destroyed ( because of course ) so that I wasn't posting the entire short. It's the same author behind the Lucifer Princess & The Biscuit Hammer, and most recently Spirit Circle.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Klaus is entirely devoid of cynicism, and it never winks at the reader with 'lol elves' or 'lol so cheesy right.' It just commits wholeheartedly to a mythic fairytale of Santa Claus: Year One. It's really good.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Spy X Family.

It's Mr and Mrs Smith, but manga.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I dunno what to tell you, man. If getting married mid-gunfight with a grenade pin ring isn't totally sweet to you, I don't know what could measure up.

I guess you could pretend it's Batman marrying Catwoman, if you need to.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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I figured the standalone page was striking enough, but I can understand wanting to see explosions.

Squidster posted:

Spy X Family.

It's Mr and Mrs Smith, but manga.



The spy comedy genre will outlast us all.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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It's okay not to like things or styles, but my god, comics is full of the bitterest gatekeepers.

ecavalli posted:

Haven't I seen this ridiculed before in this very thread?

ecavalli posted:

Oh good, more baffling anime bullshit completely lacking in context.

ecavalli posted:

See, that's the problem with people posting manga in this thread. For every Baki post that actually deserves a spot here, we get dozens of manga posts that need an explainer as to why they're badass. And then the people posting the manga get super defensive and blame the thread for being racist against glorious Nippon and its wonderful comics.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Here, please enjoy this badass moment from The Spire by Simon Spurrier and Jeff Stokely. It may not have Thor in it, but I promise you it's quite good!

Setup:
In a post-apocalyptic feudal tower city of serf mutants and cruel human nobles, the captain of the guard pursues a gang of briggands.





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Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Apart from certain thread regulars with very specific rap sheets, I think it's mostly resistance to change that causes such distrust of other media, rather than direct racism. Sometimes how that's rationalized falls into outright racism, but I don't think it's always the source.

Look, I love Thor a LOT. I've got the Simonson omnibus and a shelf of JiM trades. But I got burned out. When I stopped finding new things in capes stories, I went to indie comics, and manga, and YA graphic novels, and there's amazing novel stories out there from new voices! Look past Ennis, Bendis, Millar, or any of the names we've seen for the past twenty years, and give new books from new names a chance.

Pretend I posted a million pages of Motherlands at the end of this post, because everyone should read that. It's gorgeous, gross, weird as all hell, and tightly written at six issues. It's about a fuckup bounty hunter and her sleazy has-been grandma, going on one last hunt together.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Criminal: Coward

The Setup:
Leo's a second-generation thief struggling with crippling anxiety and guilt. When Leo was a kid, his father killed a gangster and died in jail. Ever since, Leo cuts and runs whenever violence is brewing. He's got no stomach for it.

Leo and his team stole what they thought were diamonds, but was actually millions in uncut heroin. Now the last survivor of his gang has been killed by a dirty cop hunting for the drugs.




Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Spy X Family.

Our spy-assassin family has to infiltrate an impossibly elite prep school.


Even before they get to the interview, the faculty are rejecting applicants as boorish or unrefined. The school has set up a series of gauntlets to test the innate elegance of each potential family.





Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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My Hero Academia: Vigilantes
A spin-off to the wildly popular Hero Academia series, Vigilantes focusses on unlicensed do-gooders who couldn't cut it as real heroes. A rogue hero is killing purse-snatchers, 90's antihero style, and our noble wannabes get caught up in it.

After the juniors get their asses kicked, the old man of the team steps up. In a world where everyone is born with superpowers, Knuckleduster has nothing except steroids, painkillers, and an iron will.










Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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McCloud posted:

So I should be reading my hero academia, is what you're saying?

But man I really wish manganimes would cut down on the word count. Feels like they could have cut that dialogue down to half
Vigilantes is a lot of fun. The main series, Academia, is about top-tier students full of fiery ambition to be #1. In Vigilantes, the cast are poo poo-tier scrubs trying to be the best person they can be. They know they're eternally outmatched, but that's no reason to give up.

The protagonist, Koichi, is a college kid working a boring convenience store job. His partners are Pop Step, a rookie entertainer building her career, and Knuckleduster, fisticuff enthusiast trying to reconnect with his wayward daughter. It's a slice of life capes story with a tone somewhere between Spider-man and Justice League International. The first few chapters are rough, but it rapidly improves.


Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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Here's some pages I liked from Frieren of the Funeral. Frieren, an immortal elf, joined a ragtag team of unlikely heroes and together, they overcome impossible odds and saved the world!

That was eighty years ago. They're all dust now.



Successive generations have forgotten their battles entirely. Frieren and her human apprentice, Fern, are cleaning up loose ends of the war. One of these magical landmines is an unstoppably powerful demon named Qual that her party was unable to defeat at the height of their power. His seal is about to break, and he will be unleashed again on a helpless human population.

Read right-to-left as usual.








Frieren is starting to realize that immortals need to be terrified of humans.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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May I Please Ask You Just One More Thing?

The setup:
A secret society of noblemen have been running a underground slave auction of demihumans for years.


When Scarlett, the crown prince's recently spurned fiancee, finds out about it, she is very very angry.










EDIT: fixed a timg

Squidster fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Sep 13, 2020

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Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

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How Wonderful! posted:

That's a pretty nicely choreographed fight scene but I can't find out much about the manga, what's the premise? Is it worth checking out?
It's a riff on the trendy Villainess Isekai genre. The noblewoman who torpedoed Scarlet's arranged marriage is a selfish jerk reincarnated from our world, and Scarlett is the antihero protagonist determined to put her in her place.

The art is gorgeous, but like thetoughestbean said, a lot of the draw is the simple catharsis of watching a furious woman laying a righteous beatdown on 1%er scumbags.


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