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Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Malachite_Dragon posted:

The sudden, abrupt and largely unexplained change from Ripple users to Stands Stands Stands Stands continues to confuse and mildly annoy me.

I mean don't get me wrong, I see the appeal and some of 'em are kinda cool, but why spend two 'seasons' (if you can call them that) focusing on Ripple/Hamon and then suddenly "Nope, gonna go with imaginary friends being real"

If I remember correctly, the stated reason is that around that time frame, most every shonen comic was doing things like Ripple. Araki wanted to move to something more unique and visually outlandish. Except in very rare cases, Stands aren't separate mental entities from their users; they're superpowers displayed visually.

Araki is also kind of known for himself being some sort of reverse-aging immortal vampire fairy man, so presumably he wanted to move away from depicting his primary weakness.

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Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Sigma-X posted:

Is there some context that doesn't make this a bunch of random goofy poo poo and techno/time-gibberish?

I might be able to help, from what I remember of DC One Million.

Basically, the JLA of the present is brought into the future, where the future version of our Superman, Superman Prime, has basically gone to live in the Sun and stuff. One of his old enemies, Solaris The Tyrant Sun, has decided to kill him with the last existing piece of Kryptonite, found on Mars. At this point in future time, J'onn has been missing for years, the Green Lanterns are gone, but heroism is still around and stuff.

Present JLA is trying to help Future JLA stop Solaris The Tyrant Sun from shooting the Sun with Kryptonite to kill Superman. Despite everything, they fail to stop Solaris The Tyrant Sun from firing his Kryptonite bullet into the heart of the Sun, supposedly about to poison Superman Prime and kill him.

Turns out, J'onn had this poo poo planned for years, and what everyone thought was Krytonite was the last Green Lantern Ring in disguise, hidden by J'onn on Mars years ago. Solaris The Tyrant Sun is all proud of himself, and then Superman Prime just reaches out with a massive Green Lantern hand, and smashes him, ending a time loop anti-assassination plan 83,000 years in the making.


Everything else is just future stuff trappings and poo poo.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010


Honestly, the entire thread could just be this story, posted over and over again, and it would still be worth it.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

I checked that post every way I could think of (so, like, three), and there were no links or web addresses or anything that just didn't load that could indicated an attempt at panel posting.

Under the laws of the internet, I declare that post "kinda meh".

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

McCloud posted:

But man I really wish manganimes would cut down on the word count. Feels like they could have cut that dialogue down to half

Part of it is that Japanese is simply a language that can pack different, usually tighter amounts of information into a single character, as opposed to, say, English.

Part of it is also that that's a fan translation, not an official one, and thus it's... not perfect. You can tend to condense a lot of information down if you localize a concept, instead of transcribe it.

Here's a good example, from the Kingdom Hearts manga. Donald explaining why they have to keep the knowledge that they're from different worlds to a minimum.

Fan translation:



Professional translation:



So, yeah.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Ugh, guys, Joker founded Gotham because he's an immortal representation of the futility of life and the sureness of death and the absurdity of it all, remember?

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Skwirl posted:

The blind woman only went insane, I don't think she ever died.

Anyone Daredevil doesn't bed will ALSO die.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

prefect posted:

Maybe they're insanely bad at user-interface design, and anybody who tries to use their stuff melts their own face by accident.

Canonically, this is exactly what happens with Reed's tech, yes. At one point the FF lose the rights to their stuff (except Ben), and unstable molecules get licensed out to another company. It ends in a grey goo scenario that Reed has to fix, because Reed has a penchant for messing with "THINGS MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO MESS".

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Skwirl posted:

So I guess I'll stick to musuo games.

I mean, there IS a fuckload of filler in the anime, an episode can cover like three or four manga chapters at a time without much issue. So it would take significantly less time to catch up via reading the manga itself.

The issue is more that One Piece is loving insane and will likely never end, no matter how close it seems to be getting at any point.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

I figure that J'onn's strength level is roughly equivalent to Superman just doing his thing. Like on a day where Superman needs to work at it a bit, put a little effort in, J'onn reaches the same level.

When Supes goes into full on "time to get serious for the sake of the people/race/planet I love mode", I don't think J'onn can nearly match him in strength.

Of course, J'onn has a bunch of other powers to counter him, many of which are just completely insane in terms of how OP they should be. Like the only thing missing from his toolkit is true teleportation, and that's only a technicality thanks to super speed and phasing.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Fil5000 posted:

What possible reading of the show results in Gendo having done nothing wrong?

"My daddy was a violent drunk and I turned out fine, Shinji should just suck it up!"

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

ToxicFrog posted:

Yeah, I assume that Ant-Man(?) sacrificing himself to kill Invincible Space Vampire Thing(??) is meant to be an emotional climax but it is kind of undermined by Skis Guy.

Although now I wondering if the very similar Skis Guy (Deathurge) who shows up in Marvel's GLA miniseries is a reference to this one (or vice versa).

"Ant-Man" is Ray Palmer, the Atom, who is like Ant-Man if he didn't have any of the baggage they do, and other than bug stuff their power sets tend to overlap almost 1:1. "Invincible Space Vampire Thing" is Darkseid, Lord of Evil, New God, The Tiger Force in Space, etc. etc. etc., basically Hyper-Mega-Super-Villain. Final Boss tier in everything he's in. "Skis Guy" is The Black Racer, who is basically the embodiment of death itself for the New Gods. He's narrating because Darkseid at this point has more or less managed to become untouchable far beyond his normal levels, and has been effectively unkillable. The Black Racer is like "Finally, my time has come to take this rear end in a top hat's soul, after all the poo poo he's done to cheat/ignore/fight off death".

Though yeah, Jack Kirby created him as a dude on skis mostly because Jack Kirby does what Jack Kirby wants, and what Jack Kirby does is kill four Nazis, every time. So we put some respect on his creations.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Honestly I think when you feel the need to make Superman the absolute paragon in every single aspect and trait he has, you really weaken the character overall. It's easy to be the perfect moral example and righteous defender when you have effective omnipotence and no meaningful wants or needs. The more human you can make Superman, the better a character he tends to be. That includes having things he's simply not the best at, and challenges that can't be overcome by just tanking them until they stop being challenges.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Admiralty Flag posted:

Counterpoint: "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?", which I think might be the best single-floppy Superman story. He's absolutely human (has doubts, hesitations, fears), absolutely a moral paragon, has extremely meaningful moral wants, has enemies who are more powerful than him, and he can't just punch his way out (before the climax, maybe he couldn't, maybe he could, but then he'd be breaking his moral code).

Perhaps strangely to the claim I've just made, except in rare cases, the consequences of Superman's failure don't happen to him; they happen to his reputation, or to the cat stuck in the tree, or to the 264 people trapped on the sinking Metropolis-Gotham Clipper -- and Superman considers these worse than a severe beating because he's failed to keep others safe. (Even with damage to his reputation: fewer people will trust him and seek him out when they need help, will hesitate when he shows up to help, or -- and only in his quietest times with Lois does he admit this -- his self-doubt means he might make a mistake. But she reassures him that he never will if he's just true to himself.)

Making villains more powerful than Superman leads to (at its worst) the creation of Doomsday and the two of them punching each other over and over, shockwaves breaking windows for miles around (but somehow Lois is 15 feet away and unaffected), a mindless slugfest that's entertaining to no one. How many splash pages of Superman fighting an Imperiex probe or Mongul can you take?

One last bit to my rant, off of another post. Even if he flies through the Sun or whatever, I have a hard time thinking Supes should ever (e.g.) be faster than the Flash, even if there's a cost to it. Flash's whole deal is he's the fastest person alive, not the fastest person alive except when Superman decides to go Super Saiyan. Let the jacks of all trades have their places and the specialists have theirs.

I feel like your first paragraph absolutely supports mine, though? You even point out that he has enemies more powerful than him, and that simply tanking/punching the problem won't solve it.

My point was that pushing Superman further and further away from being human, from having actual flaws and weaknesses and things he needs to overcome, makes him a worse character. Basically, when you try to make him into the absolute apex of pure perfect heroism and strength and such, he's just less interesting.

Superman should never be the absolute peak in any aspect, except possibly in being the most human of us all.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Neither were some of the artists, but they seem to have settled on "big cat" at this point.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

It's just an X-Men thing. Despite how much the Krakoa Age talks about using mutant powers to their fullest to do all these amazing things, including terraforming Mars, all their security and support and material pillars rely on one or two loadbearing fulcrums that crumble if you gently poke them.

The entire civilization was Groverhaus on a planetary scale.

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Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

Adamantium is like kryptonite. It's incredibly rare, but there's always juuuuuuuust enough around for whatever nefarious project you need.

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