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CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Hello true believers, have a question about how people close to Superman can be fooled by a pair of glasses and mussed up hair?

Want to know how all the Robins died?

Why is Aunt May still alive?

How many kids do Cyclops and Jean Grey have, anyway?

Well here's the place to ask your questions a comic characters, history, and the industry itself.

There are a few things that should not be brought up here however:

*Questions about the sex lives of superheroes/villains
Those answers can be found on DeviantArt or Rule34. No one cares what you beat it to.

*Who's better Marvel or DC? Artist A or Writer X?
Those aren't usually paths that lead to good answers or discussions. Though you could ask why a certain someone's art always looks like porn poses...

*Who would win in a fight, Pre-crisis Superman or Wolverine with the Power Cosmic?
A fun thought experiment, but nothing more. Again, no one cares what you beat it to.

*Discussion about topics that already have threads.
That's what the other threads are there for. Ask about comic movie stuff in the Comic Movie thread. A lost of series have their own threads: Transformers, Green Lantern, X-men

*What comic should I read next?
There's nothing wrong with this question, but you're probably better off asking in the Recommendation Thread

Also, go ahead and feel free to ask "What is my collection of comics worth?" but there are really only two answers:
1) Only what someone is willing to pay for it.
2) Not much. Probably less than 50 cents each.

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CzarChasm
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Lurdiak posted:

How thrilling. It's like the narrative version of kids on the playground who keep changing the rules so they don't lose.

Ah, yes, the Calvinball method.

But what's the other option? )Pointlessly?) Rebooting the entire production line every couple of years? And even then, the explanation is usually an unsatisfying "That thing in the past didn't happen, unless of course it did happen, in which case, you bet it happened... At least until next time."

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Madkal posted:

Is there any reports out there showing how much comicbook readership has dropped over the years. I don't mean over the last 5 years odd but more in the last 20 odd years. I am curious because I remember reading about comics selling in the high tens of thousands (80,000-90,000) but now it seems like 30,000-50,000 is considered high top sellers. When was the peak, and how much was being sold at that peak, and when did it start dropping off?

I don't have numbers, but I'd imagine that in my lifetime, the peak comic readership was for Death of Superman. I mean, that was huge. TV News stations took time to report on this event like it was a real person that was dying.

This is also about the same time where everyone was convinced that there was good money in comics collecting. People were under the assumption that they could buy any comic with "#1" on the cover, and in 20 years, it would easily net $10,000.

If Death of Superman was the peak, your average Joe realizing that comics were more or less worthless on the open market would be the bottom.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Unmature posted:

He ain't Iron EYES!

That's the guy who runs around with Lead Foot, Gold Heart, Metal Head and the other metal body part themed guys right?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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zoux posted:

OK hypothetically now, which dudes could take a nuke to the face and live?

Could?
Juggernaut
Hulk
Superman/Bizzaro/Supergirl
Doomsday
Wolverine
Cannonball - If you buy into that invulnerable while moving bit
Kitty Pride - Possibly if she can phase through the explosion and somehow survive a walk to a non-irradiated area, but that's a big if.
Galactus
Thanos
Darkseid
Wonder Woman - I think both she and Supes took a ground zero hit recently. Self inflicted IIRC.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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What's the explanation for Bullseye's powers? Mutant? Yet another failed super soldier attempt? Just really put in the time and effort to get good at throwing things? I know he had to train himself to throw like a major league pitcher for his solo comic.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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If it makes you feel better, I was reading too quickly and read your title as "Car Wash", and thought that it was a particularly stupid name for a comic.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Nighcrawler is not worm-like in any way.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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The Question IRL posted:

(Spoilers: The super weapon was Leach stuck to a telescope)

Best thing I've read in a long time. In my head, it's not even a big telescope, just a spyglass that's been taped to Leech's head.

quote:

...the Angle of Death so that's why Wolverine can so often cheat death.

The angle of death sounds like it should be the title of some CSI: Miami comic book.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Dr. Hurt posted:

Question based off this post:


How many gangs of lovable street punks with awful names did Kirby create? I know there were these guys and the Newsboy Legion. They seem to pop up in his work all the time and they are usually always terrible.

Well, the Yancy Street Gang, most notably

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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muscles like this? posted:

I've never really thought of it before but does Colossus just turn his skin into metal or is it his entire body?

The classic definition was that he could turn his skin metal. But that doesn't jibe, because he could always turn his hair and eyes metal as well. On top of that, he'd have to be strong enough to lift and move his steel skin with his everyday muscles.

More likely, he can turn his whole body into "organic steel" where he gains the properties of metal, for better or worse.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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CapnAndy posted:

I think there's a solidly No-Prize-worthy explanation for that, though. The gems literally warp reality; it would take exactly one person wielding the Gauntlet who thinks that you need the Gauntlet to control all six gems to make it true.

OK, can the gems unmake themselves? I mean it's a new take on the old "Can God make a rock so big that He himself cannot lift it?" question.

Can the gems warp reality so that they do not exist anymore?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Has Martian Manhunter ever had his own title/series/mini?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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bobkatt013 posted:

Jack Kirby was on the Kirby dots.

Is "Kirby Dots" trademarked, because if not, I'm about to fly out to the nearest con and make a goddamn fortune selling repackaged skittles.

Even better. Some unholy amalgam of skittles and pop rocks. I mean really, edible Kirby Dots should be something that pops and crackles and fizzles and should come in bright primary colors.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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So that's where the guy from X-men Noir came from. Thanks for solving that mystery for me.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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In the Marvel universe, there are comic books that are inspired by their "real life" hero counterparts. I recall that there are Spider-man and Daredevil comics, which are kind of like the old pulp horror comics, and I want to say Captain America has a comic too (possibly drawn by Steve himself?)

Does DC have anything like that?

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Senor Candle posted:

At one point a child called Daredevil "Red Batman"

I want to say in a recent Deadpool comic someone referred to Hawkeye as "Purple Arrow"

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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In a What If from when he first joined the X-men he was secretly working for Magneto. In the end he double crosses Mags, and Magneto, in a fit of murderous rage, pops Wolverine's claws and has Wolverine decapitate himself. He didn't survive that one.

Metal Loaf posted:

One of the many, many "Professor X is actually an rear end in a top hat" stories from the mid- to late-2000s featured all of Xavier's plans for taking out the team if the need ever arose; for Wolverine he recommended removing his head and then taking it a few miles away from his body and keeping it in an adamantium box. Make of that what you will.

That was from Onslaught (the first time around). It was a lot like Tower of Babel, except that as each x-man entered the secret chamber it started rattling off different ways to kill off each person. Cyclops and Jean are here, Beast must have gone nuts, right? Well, here's how you kill him. Oh, Beast, didn't see you there. You must all be here because Iceman discovered his true power and is now the strongest mutant on earth, right? Here's how you handle him. Oh, Bobby we were just talking about you... Is that everyone? OK, it must be me, Professor X who went crazy this time.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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I heard just yesterday that at the time the Fantastic Four first came out DC was actually publishing all of Marvels comics.

1) How did that work?

2) When was Marvel able to start publishing on their own?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Am I weird in that bad art in comics doesn't bother me or stop me from enjoying comics for the most part?

I mean there's an old early 2000's All CGI Batman comic that my eyes slide right off of, and some of the Injustice Year One stuff was posted here under the funny panels. But beyond that, as long as I can recognize the characters and distinguish them from one another, I don't mind. I have seen the examples from Greg land, where if you were to line up his female characters faces side by side, I couldn't tell them apart, but I consider that an oddity rather than the rule.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Phylodox posted:

I really like Rat Queens and, despite the fact that he turned out to be an abusive shitlord, Roc Upchurch's art had a lot to do with that and I'm anxious about how the art's gonna look now.



I'll have to see if I can find the posts again, but I don't think you have anything to worry about from the new artist. It's not the same, but it still looks good. If you do a search for "rat queens Stjepan Sejic" you can find some sketches he's done. Can't link from work, sorry.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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HitTheTargets posted:

Are we arguing that he could choose to change his sexuality?

I thought the argument was being made that he was omni-sexual? He ticks all the boxes: Man, Woman and Other. It's not that he changes preference, but that he has no preference.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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irlZaphod posted:

Psylocke's powers kinda changed too, when she originally appeared in Marvel UK comics, she was more of a Clairvoyant than a telekinetic. She's obviously changed a bunch further over the years then.

To be fair she did kind of have the whole body swap thing going on. She goes from average (for comics) white woman to Asian ninja sexpot

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Skwirl posted:

It probably exists, but I honestly can't think of a more disgusting thing that's happened in main stream comics.

Didn't Scarlet Witch give birth to Multiple Man's kid, who was then absorbed back into MM as soon as he touched the kid? I'd say that's up there.

In retrospect, that's probably not near "Magic surprise sex Space Baby" levels.

CzarChasm
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Unmature posted:

Be a woman.

Sadly, this was going to be my guess

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Gavok posted:

I have to disagree. It gave us the greatest comic book weapon in years, a shotgun that fires Scott Summers' cloned eyeballs.

Sold

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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WickedHate posted:

English Green Lanterns don't use rings and deaths by comically large glowing objects is a lot lower.

Yeah, but they still bow down to the Oan monarchy, even though it's basically just a figurehead anymore. Plus, they seem incapable of not saying the word stinkyhole every other sentence.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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hadji murad posted:

I started reading Spidey in the early 90s and enjoyed the McFarlane and Larsen stuff, when did it really go off the rails? Carnage?

Clone Saga was kind of my tipping point. Because it just wouldn't end. Ben's a clone of Peter. No wait, Peter's the clone, Ben was the original the whole time, and Ben's going to take over as the 'real' spider-man. No, wait, wait - we changed our minds again.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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I agree that Identity Crisis really could have been cool, as it has a lot of neat parts to it. The problem is that so many little things could have been changed and the end result would have been a lot better. Dr. Light could have snuck on the watchtower, found Sue going over the personnel records because she wanted to send out birthday cards and just savagely beat her. He's still a threat, because he knows everyone's secret ID, and he's a douchebag because he beat the hell out of a powerless woman, more or less because he can. No need for surprise sex. Light was never going to be a badass, but he's slightly less disgusting now.

Deathstroke taking out the whole JL in two minutes is pretty poo poo, but it could still be fixed. Instead of taking out Flash with a stationary sword, have it be some kind of proximity mine. Lantern forgetting he has a power ring is pretty blatantly stupid, but if Slade were to catch him off guard and make him the priority 1 target, then OK, maybe. But the fact that it takes 7 people to restrain him, at least one of which has enhanced strength is pretty stupid. I get it, he's a threat, but make it a little more believable.

I think even the whodunnit could be salvaged, if the motive was only slightly changed. Jean has been spending a lot of time around Sue, and she just won't shut up about 'how great her marriage is' and 'how great it is to have someone that loves her' and 'being part of the super hero family that is the Justice League' and 'Oh, by the way, I'm pregnant' (I think). And Jean goes off the deep end. Why can't she be happy again? Why doesn't anyone love her anymore? Why does Sue get all the good things happening to her? All she ever did is get attacked by some D lister. She shouldn't have even been on the watchtower in the first place. And then, just to gently caress with things even more and get back at the man who left her, she uses his tech and frames him for the murder. Forget the 'accident' angle, this was pre-meditated, petty jealousy. It's not that far from what we got. I agree the whole "what letter?" angle is old hat, but when you have a handful of magic users, a few mind readers, and at least one guy who can talk to the dead and even knows who did it, but none of the above can figure this out because of plot reasons, you might have to fall back on old things that worked in the past.

The idea of a murder mystery, taking place with super heroes, written by a guy who writes mysteries, is a really great idea. There were just so many missteps that trip it up. I think it's less bad for what it is, and more disappointing for what it could have been.

muscles like this? posted:

Infinite Crisis was responsible for quite possibly the stupidest retcon ever. I believe they've since changed it but originally Jason Todd came back to life because Superboy Prime punched reality really hard.

Yes, that was the original way they brought him back, but IIRC the current explanation is that Talia brought him to a Lazarus pit after swapping the body.

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Gavok posted:

Listen, I'm not saying I ranked Chun-Li all the way at the bottom...

But I AM saying that she's outranked by a guy who has an insatiable zest for Turkish oil wrestling and constantly impregnating his wife.

Don't doxx me in your off-site articles, ok?

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Is it still the case that Cyke's Optic blast servo is constantly in the ON position? I seem to recall that it was caused by a head injury he got as a kid, so he couldn't control it, but Jean Grey at least once fixed it temporarily so he could open his eyes without the need for glasses.

Also, while we're on the subject of arguably the worst X-man, since his visor and glasses are ruby colored does that mean that he is constantly viewing the world through a dark red filter? Like it's always a darkroom wherever he goes?

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A Tin Of Beans posted:

Even when you get into other fields like that you don't really get ladies as the Best In Show of a field. Is Shulkie a better lawyer than Matt Murdock? I genuinely do not know.

Captain America seems to think she is.

EDIT: Borrowed from funny panels thread.

CzarChasm
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TwoPair posted:

I wish this costume was DLC for the Arkham games

It's basically what the Robin costumes look like now. If Damien were blonde and the wings were a cape.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Who typically adds the onomatopoeia to a comic page?

CzarChasm
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Gavok posted:

And I imagine Frank Miller hates Christmas.

If something made my heart triple in size I probably wouldn't be too fond of it either.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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I know this comes up every few pages or so, but is marvel unlimited worth it? Secret wars is getting me back into buying issues again, but I've already dropped over $100. Am I correct in assuming that while I would get access to all the tie-ins, it would be at least 6 months, if not more before they were available?

Related, is there any reason X 92 seems to be the only one without digital copy included?

CzarChasm
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OldTennisCourt posted:

So I have a general question: One of the big points about many X-Men stories is how mutants get treated like poo poo and are generally seen by a huge amount of the public as dangerous and they need to be controlled.

So has this same fear, aside from Civil War, been attached to other heroes? Like, not Captain America because everyone knows the story and he's an icon, but like Spider-Man and tons of other heroes. How are people not jumping on them and assuming they're mutants based on their powers? Is it just a case of writers ignoring it or something?

Spider-Man often got bad publicity, because of the guy who handles that kind of thing, so he's gone back and forth in the public eye.

Punisher everyone seems to agree is insane and a menace, but let's let him kill just a few more mobsters before we jump to any conclusions.

Most everyone is on superman's side, but luthor must get through to some people.

Nobody really trusts Batman, and your average Gothamite probably recognizes how insane and not very effective he is in his crusade. Basically see the punisher.

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Dr. Doom origin has him working on a device that will let him talk to/save his dead mother, who is in hell, and IIRC owes her soul to Mephisto. Was it ever explained just what she did to deserve hell? I mean besides birth one of the biggest super villains ever.

CzarChasm
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Skwirl posted:

We have Handsome Helpful Doom. I bet Loki will at least show up in Thor, then maybe Ultimates. (Ewing is writing that, right?)

Ultimates is a thing still?

I'm guessing it's part of the New Marvel line-up?

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Ultragonk posted:

I remember reading some Ultimate X-Men comics where, I think, Trask's son turned into a full on religious zealot and decided all mutants must die as god demanded it. What other story's are there where some dude decides that he is a messenger from god and tries to take out all mutants/heroes/humans etc..?

That's kind of the sub plot to Secret Invastion, isn't it? The Skrull god (who loves you) is demanding the death of all earthlings.

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