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Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Endless Mike posted:

If something from that era goes unexplained, just assume Skrulls. Bendis might have had a more specific idea, but it was never followed up on.

The impression I've gotten, looking at some other material, was that there was going to be a wide-spanning conspiracy story involving corruption in SHIELD that ended up getting pushed aside by wave after wave of crossovers.

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Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

That sounds to me like a kind of desperate attempt to patch up whatever hole the Nu52 left in his plans.

God, the Nu52 Booster thing up there with Wally for most depressing result of Barry Allen's giant space fuckup

There's always going to be something special about how, after years of rehabilitating Silver Age hero Hal Jordan, Geoff Johns turned around and made Barry Allen the murderer of an entire multiverse.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Rhyno posted:

I still say it should have been Black Lightning.

I was pretty sold on it being Nightwing, as a post-War Games "Stop letting generation after generation punch each other to death in stupid costumes" thing. He's wearing the same jacket as the killer in issue one, he would have had JLA access, and he's got the means and the ability to work outside of Batman's traditional investigative methods. As Batman's sidekick throughout the Silver Age, he also would have known Lois's identity, and his background as a Teen Titan would even have made the involvement of Dr. Light and Deathstroke in the plot make more sense.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Endless Mike posted:

I have always been curious why EC never used the "magazine" loophole with the rest of their line like they did with Mad.

According to the article I'm linking below, the "magazine" loophole was a myth and Mad was called a magazine as a means of keeping Kurtzman on the book when he'd been offered a job working for Pageant.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/04/06/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-45/

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Gaz-L posted:

Not exactly. It just says that's not why they made it a magazine. The loophole did exist, and Marvel pretty famously used it for stuff like Conan later on.

I wish I wrote words better.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Foul Fowl posted:

I'm a very recent convert to comics (just started picking stuff up from Comixology - I'm a Swede living in the UK so physical comics have never really been an option) and I was wondering if there were any good comic book review/blog/opinion websites? So far I've managed to find Comic Vine which apparently gives everything 4-5 stars, which makes me instantly wary.

Comics Alliance is pretty great for opinion pieces, but I can't speak to the quality of their reviews as I don't think I've ever read one.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

zoux posted:

Whoa, four Cyborgs.

Racist.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Halloween Jack posted:

I'm pretty sure they fell out over Grant Morrison ghost-writing an issue of The Authority for Millar, and a subsequent disagreement over whether Morrison should be publicly credited.

There's huge chunks of Red Son which read to me more like Morrison than Millar. I've always wondered if it might have something to do with that.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Schneider Heim posted:

Has mainstream comics ever shown a character to use the teleportation superpower offensively, like how Vision and Kitty Pryde phase into someone to hurt them? I mean, telefragging would be overpowered as hell.

Spider-Man & Black Cat has this as a plot point.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

CzarChasm posted:

There was a 90's comic, shortly after Wolverine had his adamantium sucked out, where Kitty Pride was escorting Sabertooth around. As insurance, she had her hand phased inside his skull with the threat being that if he stepped out of line she'd pop his brains. He commented that the way he saw it, she'd be down a hand at the end of that exchange, but decided to play nice anyway.

There was also a What-If from about ten years ago where Kitty used this trick to kill Wolverine.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

bessantj posted:

Who has been served worst by retconning? Has someone started out with a conventional origin story but suddenly had it retconned to where their mother is Bilbo Baggins and their father a cloned of Galactus where they used skin from his balls to clone him?

Tim Drake manages to get pretty impressively hosed over whenever he or anyone around him gets retconned.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Gavok posted:

I should probably get the condolences out of the way.

Ted Kord fans have been accustomed to suffering since like 1985.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

good day for a bris posted:

Edit: I love Ted but he's kind of like the Hank Pym of DC, where's he much more interesting as an ex Super Hero & supporting character than a current one and main character.

I agree with every part of this.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

Batgirl being a congresswoman is one of those things that, when I first heard about it, I assumed was a parody of Bronze Age "THE BOLD AND THE RELEVANT" comics.

Barbara Gordon being a congresswoman means that pre-Killing Joke, she was 25 or older.

Kind of recontextualizes a lot of Dick Grayson stories.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011
Speaking of Warren Ellis, I'm trying to remember the name of a story he wrote. The main thing I remember about it was that the protagonist, a middle-aged white guy possibly wearing a trenchcoat, ranted at the bad guys about science or something while they died in front of him.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011
What is the longest stretch of Good Teen Titans? I've only read a couple of issues of the Wolfman run and heard that it achieved some mythical level of quality, but I recently learned that Danny Chase was somehow part of the cast for four and a half years.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Madkal posted:

I'm finishing my re-read of Vaughan's run of Runaways. Are the post Vaughan Runaway comics worth checking out?

Go from Vaughan's run to Vision to Rowell's run.

Whedon's arc has a couple of good moments and not much else, Moore demonstrates an astounding lack of understanding of the characters, Immonen got canceled four issues into a six issue arc and her work pretty much went ignored.

I've heard Avengers AI is good, but I haven't read it and all you really need to know for Runaways is that Victor has a Doombot friend now.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

SonicRulez posted:

The retcon that brought back Barry Allen. Nobody needed that.

Bringing back Barry not only undermined Wally's role in the DC Universe; it also undermined Barry's. This wasn't even a Hal Jordan vs Kyle Rayner situation. No one was asking for Barry to come back! In less than five years Barry went from "saint of the DC Universe" to "guy who committed omnicide."

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Selachian posted:

I still have no idea why DC decided that was a good idea, other than panic over Bart not catching on (which, in turn, had more to do with Danny Bilson and Paul De Meo being lovely writers, rather than anything wrong with the character).

Bart didn't catch on, then a short lived "Waid does Wally again" run didn't catch on either for some reason.

One Year Later was maybe DC's most exciting attempt to shake things up and move forward since Crisis on Infinite Earths, and within two years they seemed fully committed to rolling back to the pre-Crisis status quo at all costs. Still don't get it.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

nemesis_hub posted:

This makes me think of a question for the thread. What are the best “so bad it’s good” comics of all time? Who is the Tommy Wiseau of comic books? I know about Fletcher Hanks, and I remember those deranged Double Take comics that Bill Jemas was behind as being hilarious. What else is there? To qualify, it’d have to be entertainingly bad, so notoriously bad stuff like Austen’s X-Men doesn’t count.

I don't know about a creator's entire output, but for individual stories you've got The Dark Knight Strikes Again and Trouble.

Claytor fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Oct 27, 2020

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Skwirl posted:

Anybody know what the first story of a badguy dressing up as the superhero was. I know Chameleon does it in Amazing Spider-Man #1, but superheroes had been around for 30 years by then, so I'd guess it's not the first.

There's an early Black Terror story where exactly this happens, but even that might not be the first.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Mr Hootington posted:

Bring back Jack of hearts

Isn't George Perez the only artist on earth who likes to draw that costume?

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Skwirl posted:

It's so insane to me Mark Waid was never given a regular Superman series, either the self-titled or Action.

I thought I'd read that was his punishment from DC editorial for being part of the Superman 2000 pitch, which management interpreted as Waid and friends trying to steal other people's jobs.

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Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Edge & Christian posted:

And then yeah he also left a digital copy of his evil brain behind as a Dead Man's Switch to continue to plan diabolical acts from beyond the grave, so he lived a bad man, died a good man, and then immediately restarted being a bad man from beyond the grave.

Ah, yes, one of the seven basic plots.

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