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Mr Dog posted:Actually I already use gnome-software to install things and it is really good. Far better than opening a command line and running package manager search results through a pager. Installing software on a desktop system shouldn't be done using caveman tools even if that's how it has always been done up until now. I have the terminal bound to ctrl + alt + t. It takes me very little effort to type "sudo dnf install $package" or "dnf search packages |grep 'some description'"
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ratbert90 posted:I have the terminal bound to ctrl + alt + t. 
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ahmeni posted:my old linux laptop that i was using for a tv box has died so i took its ssd and put it in a nice new intel nuc post the lspci
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Sep 2, 2016 14:23
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ratbert90 posted:I have the terminal bound to ctrl + alt + t. barf. mine is alt+enter also the terminal is always maximized so opening it? it's no problem for me.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:03
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gnome-software is slow and bad
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Sep 2, 2016 15:10
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Captain Foo posted:gnome-software is slow and bad i like when it finds updates after i already installed them with dnf
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Sep 2, 2016 15:37
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i like it when it fails to install a package and then i install it in dnf and it installs fine
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Sep 2, 2016 16:11
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good thing the best minds are hard at work solving the famously most serious problem with linux on the desktop: the difficulty of installing and updating software
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sounds like you have a bad packagekit backend OP because it works fine on arch Cybernetic Vermin posted:good thing the best minds are hard at work solving the famously most serious problem with linux on the desktop: the difficulty of installing and updating software it may shock you to learn that the gnome development community consists of more than one person and consequently they can work on more than one thing at a time better tell richard hughes to stop working on a useful and expected system component that is present in all modern interactive operating systems, wouldn't want to look like a tryhard.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:29
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Mr Dog posted:it may shock you to learn that the gnome development community consists of more than one person and consequently they can work on more than one thing at a time it would indeed shock me if gnome demonstrated the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time
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meanwhile, on the gtk blog https://blog.gtk.org/2016/09/01/versioning-and-long-term-stability-promise-in-gtk/ there are so many fuckin gems in here, i don't know where to start stable, moving targets quote:From a GNOME perspective, GTK+ has been a reasonably stable, albeit moving target, because GNOME developers and GTK+ developers can share feedback and proposals and quickly keep up with internal changes. From the perspective of the community, on the other hand, following GTK+ development has been more painful. "abi stable" (readers of this thread know "abi stable" means "abandoned, but please ship our ancient sonames forever") quote:Updates within long-term stable series will be ABI stable. Alongside these stable series, GTK+ development will continue in semi-stable development series. These development releases will contain some API changes between minor versions. semantic versioning that flows backwards, uphill quote:The new GTK+ versioning scheme is a modification of the “semantic versioning” scheme that we have followed until now.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:41
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quote:GTK+ has three primary stakeholders: application developers who want feature and API stable releases; desktop developers who want access to development versions of GTK+ in order to introduce new functionality at a rapid pace (this includes most of the GNOME project); and the GTK+ team itself, which needs the ability to iterate on the internals of the library during longer development cycles. lol GTK+ users aren't stakeholders...?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:54
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lusers are dumb if you didn't even write the code yourself you better shut up
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Sep 2, 2016 17:01
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Mr Dog posted:
but unironically why does gtk continue to exist when qt is around and orders of magnitude better?
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hobbesmaster posted:but unironically gnome. all the non-gnome users of gtk kinda silently melted away during the 3.x fiasco (literally the only gtk application i can name is firefox. and they didn't migrate to gtk 3 until this year. 2016. five years after the release of gtk 3)
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i dunno, why does kde continue to suck rear end and have no thought put into its ui design say what you will about gnome, but they think about their ui design and apply their ideas consistently now, some of them may be bad ideas but they're at least consistent about them. consistency means predictability, which is good (besides, i like the aesthetics and functionality of gnome 3)
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Sep 2, 2016 17:35
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parsimony is a virtue but it is not the only virtue i can say gnome 3 is consistently hot garbage
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:parsimony is a virtue but it is not the only virtue I use gnome 3 and like it, but I try to not think about the dumpster fire garbage that is GTK3. It's like banging a good looking escort and trying not to think of the crabs she might have.
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Mr Dog posted:i dunno, why does kde continue to suck rear end and have no thought put into its ui design kde is completely separate from qt though. kde is a disaster for the same reason that gtk is a disaster and qt isn't - there's a company putting actual thought behind its development and doing all the boring work behind making stuff actually work
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Don't get me wrong though, RH and Canonical profoundly hosed the entire GNOME ecosystem around the time when GNOME 3 came out. In 2010 or so Linux was a niche but actually somewhat credible desktop OS. In 2016 every former Linux user who isn't completely batshit crazy has long since abandoned this mess for OSX. Even from a purely technical as opposed to political perspective I don't think it was possible for them to have managed the GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 and Gtk 2 to Gtk 3 transition any worse than they did, that's kind of perversely impressive somehow. Half a decade later GNOME 3 is actually a good desktop environment. With no users. It doesn't help that the KDE project also succumbed to this collective insanity at around the same time with KDE 4. Had that not happened GNOME would have been completely wiped out.
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Truga posted:lusers are dumb if you didn't even write the code yourself you better shut up "lol if u cant figure it out either shutup or fix it" *fixes it by writing systemd* "RHEEEEEEEE" vocal linux users are terrified of a working, sensible otob desktop experience because without spending 16 hours a day janitoring their system theyll be faced with the reality that they have nothing productive to do
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Mr Dog posted:Don't get me wrong though, RH and Canonical profoundly hosed the entire GNOME ecosystem around the time when GNOME 3 came out. In 2010 or so Linux was a niche but actually somewhat credible desktop OS. In 2016 every former Linux user who isn't completely batshit crazy has long since abandoned this mess for OSX. kde did it a few years later iirc, which is what makes gnome 3 even more egregious. they had plenty of time and a rival desktop to see why this was a bad idea and not do it, but they did it anyway. edit: double checked, kde 4 was released in jan 2008, and gnome 3 was released apr 2011. they had 3 loving years to see how kde 4 was turning out, and decided "hey, lets do it too!" Condiv fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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unlike gnome 3, kde 4 did eventually stabilize and reach feature parity with prior versions and kde 5 is not another wrenching transition. they learned their lesson on that one. the desktop and shell are now developed independently of the core frameworks
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Tankakern posted:post the lspci Lunx onj the desktop
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Tankakern posted:post the lspci I switched to the modesetting driver and it is very loving good now. played some of elite dangerous: space parking simulator at over steam steaming 1080p with my ds4 connected by a comically long usb extension cable
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oh here have an lspci i guesspre:[root@steambox ~]# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register (rev 21) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 21) 00:13.0 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SATA Controller (rev 21) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series USB xHCI Controller (rev 21) 00:1a.0 Encryption controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series Trusted Execution Engine (rev 21) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 21) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #1 (rev 21) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #2 (rev 21) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCI Express Port #3 (rev 21) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series PCU (rev 21) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx SMBus Controller (rev 21) 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165 (rev 81) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
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Sep 5, 2016 00:14
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Gnome Software does not work on my computer
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The XKCD Larper posted:Gnome Software does not work on my computer tired and thought that said "game software" and was going to say well no poo poo, color me surprised
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ahmeni posted:I switched to the modesetting driver and it is very loving good now. played some of elite dangerous: space parking simulator at over steam steaming 1080p with my ds4 connected by a comically long usb extension cable yeah you did the right thing. the only thing i'm aware that might be an issue with using modesetting is power consumption, and if you're using it on a nuc then screw that
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Apocadall posted:tired and thought that said "game software" and was going to say well no poo poo, color me surprised No in fact what I typed was "Gnome Software".
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I get an error box with this in it whenever I attempt to install programs from Gnome Software: code:
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Sep 6, 2016 22:18
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if the good lord had meant man to install software from a gui he wouldn't have given us
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Sep 7, 2016 00:16
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can we all agree zsh is the best sh
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Sep 9, 2016 21:07
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Olivil posted:can we all agree zsh is the best sh Seconded
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Sep 9, 2016 21:23
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gently caress no i hate dealing with that poo poo whenever i boot an arch liveusb to fix things
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Mr Dog posted:gently caress no The best sh is powersh
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the best shell is the Command Processor in Symbolics Genera which doubles as a Lisp REPL Macintosh Programmer's Workshop comes in second
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elementary mac os linux just released its latest stable. I know elementary has a big fan base in yospos, so I thought I'd mention it.
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Olivil posted:can we all agree zsh is the best sh Someone itf had a really nice zsh skin plz advise
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the more ppl customize they linux the less interesting poo poo they do with it bash is fine you loving ricers
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