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Mr Dog posted:and have its installation processing be declarative with a fixed vocabulary that can maybe be extended over time. deb went the opposite way: debs used to have completely freeform installation shell scripts that ran as root but over time bits and pieces of these all got packaged into "debhelper" scripts and now most debs install themselves exclusively by calling a sequence of debhelper scripts from the installation script and nothing else "Click" packages, for instance, are Ubuntu's new solution for software that's more like an app than a system daemon. They're like .debs with a narrow set of requirements (ie no custom installation shell scripts, can depend only on things in the standard set of packages known as the Ubuntu SDK, etc). Most software that's not "the system", ie the stuff you will probably really need a distro for for the forseeable future, could eventually be demoted in this fashion. It's also much easier to make packages like this more portable to other platforms -- supporting installing Click packages on Red Hat through a compatibility layer is a much easier problem than a random .deb with all manner of dependencies.
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eschaton posted:this is something I never hear at my job and I'm very happy for it same. im usually the one bitching about that, and my coworkers have to hear it. just cuz solaris sucks tho and i keep trying to do work on solaris jump boxes and get mad when poo poo like awk or whatever don't work and move my work to a linux box to get it done. so i mean GNU is great, it's marketing department succccckkkkkkkkkkkkkks though
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I recently started teaching programming classes and people in there ask me all the time what distro I use and the reaction to my answer is always a smug "heh". always. linux users amirite
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my go-to is debian still. i like how stupidly easy it is and all the tools work like i expect. but my job isnt a unix sysadmin per-se, like, i can do whatever in whichever unix-like os i just curse and go "gently caress you, poor-awk get a job and buy some features" or "i hate you solaris, sincerely hate you"
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lol that macbook SSDs aren't self-encrypting drives yet (will they ever be?)
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why would you put the encryption in the drive, that's idiotic
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Bloody posted:my distro is windows 7 I was seriously considering answering Mac OS Ten after the third time it happened but I'm a coward 
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Sep 6, 2014 16:24
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lmao a coward towards students classic linux!
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Sep 6, 2014 16:40
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they're older and bigger than me ok
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pseudorandom name posted:why would you put the encryption in the drive, that's idiotic are you serious?
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ooh ooh i know this one modern ssds encrypt your data behind your back anyway, because that gives it a uniform distribution of 1s and 0s, which helps to reduce wear. intel's Opal SSD thing just exposes the crypto to the OS and firmware so that you can use it for security purposes. obviously this has  backdoors out the rear end though (i mean why wouldn't it. those who who obey the law have nothing to fear )
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56k milli posted:lol that macbook SSDs aren't self-encrypting drives yet (will they ever be?) no. they have an aes-xts fde layer in their os which works on any block device ever made (not just ssds), doesn't depend on firmware written by the storage industry to not have security flaws, and has a number of other advantages such as being architected to allow your regular user password to unlock the drive, allow multiple user accounts' passwords to unlock the drive, allow them to offer an optional service where an extra unlock key is generated and stored with apple for disaster recovery if you forget your password, and more. (the disaster recovery feature is for users who are interested in encrypting to protect their laptop from petty theft rather than  obvs)their fde uses the aes-ni acceleration block integrated into all modern intel cpus. it can keep up with the fastest ssds apple is shipping without chewing much cpu time literally the only downside is that it doesn't push the encryption out to the disk to satisfy spergs actually the real only downside is that sandforce controllers want to be able to compress data to hit their max performance and lol if u think the drive can compress aes encrypted data. but also lol if u think apple sources very many ssds with a sandforce controller
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so why isn't the linux world just using the superior launchd instead of this systemd poo poo? is it because they're still stuck in the 70s without the goodness of Mach IPC?
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BobHoward posted:no. they have an aes-xts fde layer in their os which works on any block device ever made (not just ssds), doesn't depend on firmware written by the storage industry to not have security flaws, and has a number of other advantages such as being architected to allow your regular user password to unlock the drive, allow multiple user accounts' passwords to unlock the drive, allow them to offer an optional service where an extra unlock key is generated and stored with apple for disaster recovery if you forget your password, and more. (the disaster recovery feature is for users who are interested in encrypting to protect their laptop from petty theft rather than FDE is best handled by the drive so it can do it directly in hardware for power savings ms has bitlocker
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eschaton posted:so why isn't the linux world just using the superior launchd instead of this systemd poo poo? is it because they're still stuck in the 70s without the goodness of Mach IPC? licensing issues lol
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is there a linux distro that is the 'best' for software development?
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syntaxrigger posted:is there a linux distro that is the 'best' for software development? osx
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ugh i am this close to getting a macbook pro. it's linux that Just Works as far as i'm concerned. how good are they at keeping themselves cool under load though? some friends who own mbps have told me theirs can get p toasty
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BobHoward posted:no. they have an aes-xts fde layer in their os which works on any block device ever made (not just ssds), doesn't depend on firmware written by the storage industry to not have security flaws, and has a number of other advantages such as being architected to allow your regular user password to unlock the drive, allow multiple user accounts' passwords to unlock the drive, allow them to offer an optional service where an extra unlock key is generated and stored with apple for disaster recovery if you forget your password, and more. (the disaster recovery feature is for users who are interested in encrypting to protect their laptop from petty theft rather than thanks for this post. sounds like sw aes will suit my needs
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mac keyboards are incorrect tho i like deb-based but its pretty hard to find a linux that isnt amicable to some codin
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so fedora 20 still doesn't work with broadcom wifi chipsets. there's a driver that doesn't work oob because you need to go through some thirty step firmware extraction nonsense because free software or whatever. then there's the driver direct from broadcom that won't build for a half-dozen different reasons. turns out it was easier to go find a spare intel mini pcie wifi card and swap it in than it was to go through the reams of bullshit to get the shipped adapter to work. it's even easier to just use windows but i need kismet to track down some wifi interference issues and that poo poo doesn't work in a vm. go linux. not a single install in 15 years that hasn't required me to drop to the command line to get the hardware working right
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infernal machines posted:broadcom wifi chipset this is all you needed to say, the rest is redundant
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Progressive JPEG posted:this is all you needed to say, the rest is redundant sure, they're trash. but they're really common trash. it's not like you can't test against this stuff so that one of the most common wifi chipsets actually works oob
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56k milli posted:ugh i am this close to getting a macbook pro. it's linux that Just Works as far as i'm concerned. you should get a MacBook Pro with Retina Display, it's the best notebook ever made my 15-inch 2012 MBPwRD is as fast as my 2008 Mac Pro and the screen is just gorgeous and it still feels like new 2 years after I bought it quote:how good are they at keeping themselves cool under load though? some friends who own mbps have told me theirs can get p toasty it will stay reasonably cool under load, I use mine for real software dev all the time (like building multi-million-line project, I'm not some scrub who thinks a few dozen classes is "big") and it's just fine to use on my desk, it doesn't burn my hands or anything
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don't use fedora, like its namesake it is a bad thing for bad people. broadcom wifi works just fine on debian with zero hassle.
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Progressive JPEG posted:mac keyboards are incorrect tho True I just didn't know if one distro outshines the rest. Also osx is Meh. I loves me a Unix but I could get more machine for my dollar with windows and cygwin if I wanted to pay for an os
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Progressive JPEG posted:mac keyboards are incorrect tho weird op
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Soricidus posted:don't use fedora, like its namesake it is a bad thing for bad people. cool, distro wars! you're actually advocating using vanilla debian for something that's meant to be minimal effort oob? here's a hint, it doesn't matter what distro you use, there will always be some goddamn thing that doesn't work right and requires loving around in bash for 20 minutes to fix.
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Malcolm XML posted:don't use linux i wouldn't but afaik kisMAC doesn't support any of the newer macbook wifi cards for monitor mode, which is what i need
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infernal machines posted:you're actually advocating using vanilla debian for something that's meant to be minimal effort oob?
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infernal machines posted:sure, they're trash. but they're really common trash. i had a laptop with a broadcom 43xx and drivers for it only came into existence after several volunteer developers had done a full chinese wall reverse engineering job over several months against one of broadcom's windows drivers so i dont think linux is the party to be blaming here tbh
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Progressive JPEG posted:i had a laptop with a broadcom 43xx and drivers for it only came into existence after several volunteer developers had done a full chinese wall reverse engineering job over several months against one of broadcom's windows drivers so the drivers exist already? yes? then linux is at fault here.
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syntaxrigger posted:True I just didn't know if one distro outshines the rest. Cygwin sucks it's performance sucks, you can't rely on the scheduler, there is even more newline character bullshit then normal and it has small package library I wrote bash script on Cygwin and then I had to port it to linux because sort didn't work the same way, and how case sensitivity works is retarded, once it was ported it was about 100x faster then Cygwin
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infernal machines posted:so the drivers exist already? yes? no they didnt exist until a year or two after id gotten the laptop they actually worked better than the windows version did lmao
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Perplx posted:Cygwin sucks it's performance sucks, you can't rely on the scheduler, there is even more newline character bullshit then normal and it has small package library Cygwin sucks cause posix sucks. if you are using posix you have already failed so don't bring that poo poo over to windows.
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Progressive JPEG posted:no they didnt exist until a year or two after id gotten the laptop so the drivers exist now though? and have since like 2013 or so at least? yes? then why the gently caress aren't they properly packaged and tested for a popular, supposedly user oriented, distro that came out in 2014? because linux suck rear end at anything related to user experience, or you know, having things work properly without bespoke fuckery
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