Linux: process number 2 is the logging subsystem

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Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

yeah what idiots would do something like that...
code:
typedef void *PVOID;
typedef PVOID HANDLE;
typedef HANDLE HWND;
oh right gently caress everything

win32 api is terrible therefore it's ok to make terrible apis

# ¿ Jun 12, 2015 10:05

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# ¿ Mar 18, 2025 15:13

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Tankakern posted:

lol u use gentoo

# ¿ Jun 18, 2015 13:20

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

your only course of action now is to flash gentoo on your smartphone imo

# ¿ Jun 20, 2015 17:57

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Mr Dog posted:

You can tell which programs are Gtk2 by the fact that they look like hot diahorrea

reminder that gtk was created by extracting a bunch of lovely c code from gimp into a library because qt wasn't free enough

:rms2:

# ¿ Jun 25, 2015 17:23

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

pram posted:

why would someone hire an expert in an advanced UNIX system to manage their hobbyist, non-POSIX compliant clone os? there are many reasons, but all would be far beyond your comprehension

woosh

# ¿ Jul 2, 2015 19:48

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

1998: "lmao windows crashed when bill gates plugged an usb device"
2018: linux crashes when plugging headphones

# ¿ Jul 10, 2018 20:53

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Athas posted:

with a Linux I'm never quite sure, because there are just too many drat knobs

# ¿ Sep 16, 2018 13:26

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

it still baffles me that those people believe that "meritocracy" means "people who write good code are allowed to be assholes"

# ¿ Sep 25, 2018 10:59

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

can't wait for node.js in the kernel

# ¿ Sep 26, 2018 16:17

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

re: ps4 and webgl

the biggest work they have to do when shipping a new version of their UI is QA and having it written in webgl doesn't change that

it's just that the game industry loves using lovely web tech to build UIs for some reason (see also: scaleform, a flash player used by most major games)

# ¿ Oct 29, 2018 14:37

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

akadajet posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Scaleform#2016

lol, I hope that means that it's fallen out of fashion and not just that this list is incomplete

hahaha no it's incomplete as hell

Sapozhnik posted:

option A: let your graphic designers use Adobe's Flash tools to design your game's glitzy animated UI, then shove it through an asset pipeline meat grinder to import their work into your game engine

this doesn't require the runtime to also be flash
and the action script code is written by UI programmers these days anyway (thankfully)

all you want the UI artists to have is a way to author vector graphics animations (flash should be used only as an authoring tool for that) and for a lot of things they're happier using illustrator anyway

# ¿ Oct 29, 2018 14:57

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Suspicious Dish posted:

Autodesk doesn't sell Scaleform anymore. The latest hotness is stuff like Coherent UI which shoves a Chrome in your game: https://coherent-labs.com/

oh an entire web browser. even better

# ¿ Oct 29, 2018 15:51

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Tankakern posted:

i use gentoo privately because:

it's fun

i use gentoo professionaly because:

it gives you crossdev

extreme control over the building process built-in in a package manager. why use yocto or buildroot when you can use ~portage~

lol

# ¿ Oct 30, 2018 21:25

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

eschaton posted:

2018 the year of NetBSD on Apollo

it’s surprisingly usable with only 16MB but I haven’t managed to startx yet, it changes palette, clears the screen, and then drops back to text saying that the X server is exiting

a 68040 with 16mb was a beast in the amiga days, of course it's usable

x is probably going to work fine too if you manage to run it

# ¿ Dec 11, 2018 10:34

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

r u ready to WALK posted:

I think if Microsoft threw a couple billion dollars at the WINE project you could end up with a pretty spectacular Linux Subsystem for Windows

most of wine's code is a re implementation the various windows system dlls and well, microsoft already have their own implementation of all that stuff

the only useful thing they could get out of wine imo is the emulation of the windows kernel on top of linux, if some day they say gently caress it and decide to replace windows's kernel with linux

# ¿ Jan 1, 2019 19:42

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

cant believe that no one made a 3d desktop cube compositor for vr yet

# ¿ Jan 19, 2019 11:43

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

ah yes coding in vr would be great

*five minutes later*

gently caress my arms hurt, *rips off vr helmet, picks up mouse & kb*

i still want those vr solutions to be developed to laugh at them tho

# ¿ Jan 20, 2019 12:47

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Suspicious Dish posted:

never board an airplane then i guess. or a subway. or an elevator. or a microwave.

why would you want to board a microwave

# ¿ Feb 3, 2019 10:49

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

eschaton posted:

having more than one standard widget set on a platform sucks

what's the point of having a standard widget set when everybody is going to ignore it and use a cross platform UI framework anyway

nobody wants to rewrite their UI for each os they support, it's more work to end up with an app that doesn't work consistently across different oses

# ¿ Feb 13, 2019 09:56

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Shaggar posted:

works fine for me

you're used to it bc you use windows

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 19:11

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Shaggar posted:

oh develop as in tumor. I thought you meant like software development. lol what a joke that would be. you cant even get a working text editor on Linux, much less an ide.

the best ide, microsoft visual studio code, works fine in linux

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 20:39

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Shaggar posted:

vs code is not very good, but its probably incredible compared to what Linux users are used to

its also incredible compared to the worst ide, microsoft visual studio, that i spend my days using at work

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 20:43

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Fiedler posted:

you're holding it wrong

i had to kill it twice in the task manager today bc it decided to hang up
yesterday it randomly disconnected me from perforce
the day before it decided to open on my third monitor rather than on my main one for some reason
i can't click to jump on compilation errors if I forget to manually open incredibuild's monitor view before building (and the reason we have to use incredibuild in the first place is bc ms's compiler is dogshit slow and we like not taking 4 hours to build our project)
it randomly moves around or pops off or pins the various view every time you launch it
it keeps doing long blocking operations on the ui thread (love it when you accidentally press f4 or something and it wants to open some view you don't actually need like the toolbox or whatever and it freezes everything for 10 seconds to initialize it)
the default installation have a million lovely useless plugin and the ui is almost as cluttered as 3dsmax

seriously i've used vs almost every day for more than 20 years and i never understood why people are so enamored with this loving garbage

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 20:54

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

none of the snes rpgs are worth playing they are all such hot garbage

all jrpgs are garbage, because they're all basically anime: the game

# ¿ Mar 27, 2019 23:38

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

eschaton posted:

more like a sharp MOVEM.L A0-A7/D0-D7,-(A7) am I right

I'm the stack pointer getting saved on the stack

Zlodo fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jun 7, 2019

# ¿ Jun 7, 2019 16:16

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

kde5 looks just fine

if you want it to look like '00s windowblinds you can always install a different theme than the default

# ¿ Jun 12, 2019 09:46

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Shaggar posted:

linuxes are just no good at video games so the best they can do is try to emulate windows

the biggest current video game platform, the PS4, runs on freebsd

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 11:23

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

r u ready to WALK posted:

linuxes are excellent at video games they are just handicapped by 40 year old graphics libraries and design philosophies
the ps4 throws all that out the window and gives you exclusive direct access to the gpu with a minimal api and a unified memory address space

i am sure tux racer would run well too if you could just write a bunch of raw amd gcn opcodes to some pointer the OS gave you

that's what vulkan is for
which incidentally a lot of devs are going to port their games to in order to run on stadia

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 12:05

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Fiedler posted:

pretty much the entire industry believes in strealing, like it or not

Zlodo fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 23, 2019

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 22:02

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Fiedler posted:

unless google is 100% funding the stadia port there's no reason any game dev should do it.

and yet we are.
the promise that anyone able to watch netflix will be able to purchase a game without investing a cent in additional hardware has caught the industry's attention. I mean just look at the announced stadia games, all the big players are already in.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 23:15

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Suspicious Dish posted:

Google paid all of those to port games.

nope

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 23:18

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Suspicious Dish posted:

Yes they did. Trust me on this. I have insider knowledge. This is not even a Google thing either. Nobody considers a new platform unless the platform owner funds the port.

so do i, and things are more nuanced than "google funds the port". and as a matter of fact, the publisher that owns the studio i work for genuinely believes that streaming will let them reach a much larger audience and would probably push it regardless of whatever google (or anyone else for that matter) funding options may be.

Fiedler posted:

you seem to be confusing game streaming and stadia as if they are one and the same.

no, i do not. i only used stadia as a tangible example

quote:

sony and microsoft will succeed at game streaming, what with their established customers, industry partnerships, and exclusives.

streaming is streaming. third party publishers don't give a drat whether the service is provided by sony, microsoft, google or whoever else.
streaming is not about selling games to already established customers who already have gaming computers or consoles, it's about reaching new ones.

quote:

google will gently caress about for a year or two and then abandon the whole thing, as is their tradition.

that is also kind of microsoft's tradition, along with often missing the train in the first place

back to my original point, which was that the industry at large is porting games to stadia. whether it will succeed or not, whether sony or microsoft's equivalent offer will succeed or not is besides the point.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2019 23:54

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

2019 will be the year of GNU/Hurd on something

# ¿ Jul 7, 2019 19:04

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

this reminded me of the hosed up fact that some smart cards and sim cards actually run on java

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card

# ¿ Jul 9, 2019 14:57

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

big black turnout posted:

it's the only way to do certain things in my current position

# ¿ Jul 19, 2019 22:04

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

it is now finally possible to run 64 bits windows apps in wine on windows 10 thanks to divabot

https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/607714.html

pack it up linuxailures

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 19:13

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

development has slowed to a crawl. i'm not sure there are any full time paid developers left. it has entered the living un-death of "mature open source software"

as long as it isn't actually broken/unmaintained i'm going to continue using it

it's not like i need any innovative new features from my unix desktop

im sure they'll find a way to do a massive partial rewrite and gently caress up everything when qt6 comes around

# ¿ Aug 14, 2019 19:12

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the qt4 / qt5 transition was gentle and pleasant from a user perspective

it wasn't for me

kde4 had finally reached a state where it just worked on my pc and once i upgraded to kde5 for the longest time i had plenty of annoying bugs with my multi monitor setup getting screwed randomly for no reason, or moving the panels i had created to have task bars on my other monitors randomly getting moved to the main one etc

heck to this day i still sometime get a completely broken start menu layout

# ¿ Aug 14, 2019 21:14

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

my first linux was an Amiga port of netbsd that came on a bunch of floppy disks that my dad obtained somehow bc he was also a massive computer geek

I remember spending a huge amount of time installing it and then almost immediately regretting it bc it was slow as gently caress and not really taking advantage of amiga's hardware

# ¿ Sep 1, 2019 10:49

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# ¿ Mar 18, 2025 15:13

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

true story: vim was originally written for amiga, and only later ported to unix

this is the root of like 90% of its "issues"

I know and I always found it hilarious that the only lasting contribution of the amiga to modern computing is one of the most hipster Linux text editor

# ¿ Sep 1, 2019 15:42

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