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moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Valeyard posted:

i need a smallish netbook that has an ok battery and doesnt need to be very powerful, im ok with having a linux and im guessing this is a usecase for the chomebook but idk

http://www.johnlewis.com/toshiba-cb30-b-104-chromebook-intel-celeron-4gb-ram-16gb-ssd-13-3-silver/

is there anything else in that range that would be better

Don't know what you're going to do with it, but I have an hp stream 13, and it's been working for me. You can lunix or you can windows 8.

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moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Here's my linux trip report, I installed Debian. The wifi card was a problem and dropped connection at random intervals and required a full ifconfig cycling to get it working again. I searched all over and entered lsusb results and all that crap, and finally found some github somewhere with rtl new, so i installed git and then did all the poo poo I had to do to get that stuff compiled and working.

Oh and my built in 4g hotspot didn't work either. There's one reference to it on google by some german guy who says it should work, but it looked like i was going to spend all night echoing poo poo into my /sys/bus/whatever to manually bind a driver to it. So I stopped that right there.

Then I didn't really use it because I was tired of fiddling with it, and since it's linux I expected to discover something else broken. So put windows 8 back on.

hth

moonshine is...... fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jun 11, 2015

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

pre:
In order to unbind a device from a driver, simply write the bus id of the device to the unbind file:

    echo -n "1-1:1.0" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/unbind

and the device will no longer be bound to the driver:

    $ tree /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/
    /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/
    |-- bind
    |-- module -> ../../../../module/ub
    `-- unbind
yeh grandma no it's easy look simply write teh bus id of the device to the unbind file, no that won't fix it come on it's just a computer its simple we've only got 300 more steps then we can work on the otehr broken stuff!

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

https://elementary.io/ It's still Ubuntu, so it's still poo poo. But it's polished poo poo.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Lysidas posted:

just started a new job today and was given a 27" or 29" late 2013 imac, 3.5GHz i7 and 8GB RAM, immediately improved it by installing linux

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

my first linux was slackware that i got from a used bookstore. then some really difficult to setup thing on an old 90's imac. powerpc linux or something crazy like that, i want to say mandrake? but who knows.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

late to the party but gnome-terminal or terminator

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

the best part about vim/emacs is identification of people who like to waste time. sure if you're sshing into a remote and need to edit something really quick vim is fine. but there's always that person who has a bespoke special snowflake vimrc that they've tirelessly handcrafted in their "free" time. i guess what i'm saying is, vim/emacs are honeypots.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

:bsdsnype:

Soricidus posted:

it's really not that bad. i'm pretty sure i've made fewer customizations to my emacs setup than to, say, my eclipse setup; it's just easier to see because it's all in one place in a form intended for human editing

i guess there's some stuff like custom modes for some obscure/proprietary file formats that took a fair bit of work to set up, but that's the kind of thing that's literally impossible to do in most editors beyond trivial context-free syntax highlighting, so ... oh ok i'm a huge nerd i admit it are you happy now

https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=vimrc sooo many rc files, of course once you get one of those that's the baseline for expansion. i know a guy who is in the process of building some insane rc file so that he can have the functionality of sublime text i guess? it does other things too, but he's got a lot of time into it. the solution is use eclipse or sublimetext imo.

i get the enjoyment factor of tinkering around with it. it's just not my bag.

edited to include the sniiiper.

moonshine is...... fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 10, 2016

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i hate tinkering with editor / terminal poo poo. my bazillion year old emacs config recently crossed the 100 line mark

the less time i can spend configuring things the more time i can spend working

this is correct. unfortunately that work is probably for *nix thing. so the cycle continues.
:getin:

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

put arch on some 50 dollar machine hooked to the back of my tv. works great. now if roku would implement a web browser/screen mirroring that worked i wouldn't need a little linux computer.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Lysidas posted:

i think im actually going to switch to arch on my laptop, from kubuntu, since kubuntu 16.04 will ship with plasma 5.5 instead of 5.6, and theres a decent bug in 5.5 which is really irritating: plasma desktop crashes, every. single. loving. time. i plug in or remove a external monitor, and i usually use development kubuntu versions on my laptop anyway, so a rolling release seems more appropriate. just need to set up the every-boot btrfs snapshots im used to so i can easily undo things if `pacman -Syu` breaks everything

doesnt look too bad to set everything up the way ive been used to kubuntu working, just need networkmanager and plasma-nm instead of systemd-networkd i think, and steam and vmware workstation look quite easy

oh now i also get to set up a UEFI system from scratch, which i have only done once, and that took me a few tries when copying a kubuntu install from one machine to the other (didnt really know what i was doing with efibootmgr)

If you're going to do arch on the desktop and you don't feel like fiddling around and wasting time installing use antegeros. That way you can get to the real dicking around faster.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Mr Dog posted:

this is probably the furthest conceivable thing from being a bug.


or idk you could just use Arch instead of "hurr it's $upstream_distribution but with a different wallpaper default package set lovely shell script that gets run during installation"

Arch ftw

(the community is quite poo poo apparently but then I don't interact with them. Nothing's perfect)

I liked the lovely GUI install. Sure I could do it all by hand, but I'd just rather let it download and install while I drink coffee or something.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

i know this is the linux thread, but how is pcBSD in comparison to desktop linuxes?

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

good to know that pcbsd is a waste of time. sometimes i think maybe i should try a different thing and fiddle around. I was going to try it out despite the threads advice but when i booted the usb stick it just crashed out, so beyond the amount of effort i wanted to put in.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

I remember when everyone was using enlightenment because dumb ripple effects and other garbage. I guess it made up for not having sound/a useless desktop environment.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

OldAlias posted:

i'm just being stupid. i used to have those problems many years ago (blah blah "read the fuckin release notes") but it is not as bad today. they have some p good resources that are applicable across distro, although the community is generally hostile, and the advice of "just use arch" is often not useful

Arch has really good resources because it's essentially necessary to run Arch.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

atomicthumbs posted:

is manjaro any good? considering using it for a ham radio laptop

I took it for a test spin and it seemed fine, everything worked out of the box minus my track pad. I liked it, but I wasn't really willing to put in the research to make sure it wasn't Ubuntu the Arch version. If I was looking at Arch i'd probably just install Arch. Though if you're going to dick around with a Linux the official yospos distro's are Cent, RHEL, and Fedora.

I was using openSUSE tumbleweed for a media box, I liked it. Unfortunately I didn't read up on BTRFS.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Fedora is fine. If you're worried about slow running on old hardware try out crunchbang++ it's nice.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

http://takacsmark.com/the-top-5-linux-systems-for-elderly-people/

The problem is that windows and osx are just to confusing with files and apps and directories. The answer is linux. This is like saying "oh yeah she's getting old and having a hard time driving." Well have you tried using a crane as transport? Articles like this crack me up.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

I did the wrong thing and decided to try Fedora outside of a VM. Installer was buggy but did its job, worked for a few minutes. Popped up a dialog saying get some updates. I got the updates, system is rendered unusable. Probably has to do with a nouveau issue+having 2 monitors plugged in. Not going to troubleshoot. I'll try again next year. 2017 year of Linux in a VM.
:getin:

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

I started using Gentoo on the desktop and now I've rolled it out as a production server using some great technologies: ReiserFS, RAID-5, Gentoo patched kernel, Samba ... you name it.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

i just had a linux guy tell me it's easier to manage bins that everyone on the system needs if you symlink them from a users home instead of putting them in /usr/local/bin. then when you need to remove the user you just go through the whole directory structure and sort them out and leave it on the system. because it's easier than putting it in /usr/local/bin

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Soricidus posted:

I don’t really give a gently caress about the implementation. I just want to be able to run something on one computer and display it on another. and right now the only way to do that with desktop linux appears to be to go back to the old x11 technology that we’re constantly being told is obsolete

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

VikingofRock posted:

I'm always very tempted to install OpenSUSE Tumbleweed because after using Arch I'm addicted to rolling release. Does anyone have any experience with it?

I've used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's fine. I didn't land on it though. I love the idea of rolling release, but at the end of the day I went with Fedora. I realized for what I'm doing, rolling release wasn't all that important.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

quote:

There is no formal issue tracking system and no official procedure to become a code contributor or developer. The project does not maintain a public code repository. Bug reports and contributions, while being essential to the project, are managed in an informal way. All the final decisions about what is going to be included in a Slackware release strictly remain with Slackware's benevolent dictator for life, Patrick Volkerding.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

with these innovations i am sure the year of linux on the desktop is just around the corner

also need to drive idiots like this out of the community so more focus can be placed on the sanctity of root: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5

of course linus uses g+, probably the first person i've ever seen actually use it.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Suspicious Dish posted:

you'd love my actual desktop then



missing a good conky setup imo.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

TheCoach posted:

So what would be a good distro that uses KDE for the desktop and is not a total shitshow on Asus business laptops?

At work almost everyone sticks with Ubuntu but there's always a solid month of fuckery with any given install as due to laptop hardware weirdness you get enjoyable driver issues and whatnot.
I went Kubuntu just because I strongly prefer KDE and being new to linux *buntu distro sounded like something easy to find fixes if poo poo goes wrong.

Reading this thread I realized that *buntu's are by far not the best thing out there and I know how to ok'ishly janitor a linux now so I am willing to transition onto a better thing.

BTW I was legitimately surprised when my install experience on my home machine which is a standard Ryzen desktop kind of just worked, gpu drivers and all. I had to mess with my work laptop for months and still can only run community GPU driver for the intel/nvidia hybrid setup the laptop uses and now can only get analog sound via hdmi to a monitor that has a DAC... I hate laptops(or *buntu experience on laptops)...

EDIT:
We work solely on PHP webdev, so that would be my use case

Fedora. It's good.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Gazpacho posted:

arthur when the cows fell

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

VikingofRock posted:

The higher initial set-up cost of arch is a fair point, but fwiw my personal experience is that now that I've set it up I janitor my arch install way less than I had to janitor Ubuntu. Arch pretty much just does what I want it to do and doesn't break, and when I want to install something that's not in the official repos it's almost always in the AUR and easily installed via yay.

e: obviously if some other distro works for you that's great; the point of this post was more that arch can be a decent distro even if you are no longer 15 and now have stuff to do

I've had the same experience with Arch. The initial set up cost in time is high, but once it's going it's going, and you get really fresh software. I'd still never use Arch for anything critical. Just a shameful secret desktop OS.

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

Amethyst posted:

is anyone using a dell xps 13 with fedora? how is it? do random keys not work? does the fan spin at max constantly? Its really hard to find an honest answer about this stuff, often you'll read a post that says "it's rock solid, absolutely flawless, I couldn't be happier" but then further down the thread the user will reveal that the wifi itermittently disable itself and a bunch of keyboard buttons don't work

XPS 13 and Fedora is good.

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moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

akadajet posted:

the linux kernel is shipping soon with windows 10 making it the best linux

not soon enough.

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