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Dec 1, 2008

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

folks who, by definition, do not understand what a unix desktop is for have Very Strong Opinions about unix desktops

You mean Lennart Poettering and every systemd supporter, right?

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Dec 1, 2008

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the usual systemd supporter response of "submit bug reports, it's open source, etc etc" is bogus.

systemd developers and supporters are trying (and unfortunately mostly succeeding) to make systemd an unavoidable dependency of running a linux system, through for example encouraging the practice of daemons talking to systemd directly via proprietary systemd interfaces (therefore making them unportable). this is absolutely unacceptable.

the whole argument is about not having to use systemd (or dbus. or glibc.) at all, in any form.

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Dec 1, 2008

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i like the concept of /etc/rc. init.d is already too complicated

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Dec 1, 2008

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theadder posted:

i didnt read many to all of these posts

lately it's just systemd supporters being idiots. nothing surprising

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Dec 1, 2008

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Mr Dog posted:

networkmanager is a system daemon, how do i interact with it if there's no shell integration, is there a standalone gui prog i could use?

you sound like Shaggar at this point.

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Dec 1, 2008

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beer can be free, but there's no such thing as "freedom" or "liberty"

those are bourgeois concepts that don't actually make sense

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Dec 1, 2008

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BobHoward posted:

this is probably a real bad idea but i'd like some replacement text editor recommendations

i use nedit. what's good about it: actual graphical text editor with semi standard gui features and sane (read: not emacs) shortcuts, excellent rectangular cut/paste/fill, handles 100+MB text files without choking, has verilog & system verilog syntax coloring, and most important of all the regex capable search/replace dialog box is more usable than anything i've encountered anywhere else. it's not that it's fancy (it isn't), what i like is that it is insanely easy to drive from just the keyboard, moreso than anything else i've found in other editors. also the nigh infinite history of past search/replace strings is p. good.

nedit's problem, and the reason i hope to find a replacement: it is a dead project. dead dead dead. fell victim to the linux toolkit wars / cadt development methodology. the authors decided to give up after it became clear that it was either going to be a rewrite from the ground up for a new toolkit or they'd be condemned to an eternal hell of trying to work around problems in their ancient toolkit. nedit hasn't seen an update in years, looks klunky these days, and it's only a matter of time before $shitty_new_distro breaks it enough that it's useless.

so... anyone know of any editors with the properties i like?

just give up and learn vim already.

(actually i used to be a nedit user, and moving to vim turned out to be a great decision)

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