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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware/Software Crap > YOSPOS > Linux: freedom of choice, but if you choose wrong we'll be totally assholes about support
 
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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

 is there a linux distro that is the 'best' for software development?

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Progressive JPEG posted:

mac keyboards are incorrect tho

i like deb-based but its pretty hard to find a linux that isnt amicable to some codin

True I just didn't know if one distro outshines the rest.

Also osx is Meh. I loves me a Unix but I could get more machine for my dollar with windows and cygwin if I wanted to pay for an os

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

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 just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/?

if so i'd be interested in a trip report

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

 thanks guys

came across this and I guess it goes here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Phoenixan posted:

your better off buying a :siren: GAMING LAPTOP :siren: from xoticpc or some poo poo because they'll likely be the same model

this is more or less the idea.

i buy a machine that has pre-chosen hardware that should be no problems for linux then if i decide i hate myself i end up installing windoze

osx would be viable if i didn't feel so pretentious just looking at them

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i also prefer to have something that works when i install it. so i usually install a set of signed binaries from a supported repository with a vendor phone number i can call if it breaks

as opposed to osx, where you have shell scripts written by literal children to download source code and (hopefully) compile it. god help you if you need to update any of it

gently caress homebrew forever

don't forget if you need gcc to make a file because some idiot baby thought that would be a cool thing to shovel on the user installing his/her program



infernal machines posted:

lol, at that point i'd just buy a macbook and get a linux that isn't complete poo poo. the point of using linux is that i have a random castoff laptop that i need to use for one specific issue, and it's poo poo for even that


p.s.: if you feel pretentious looking at macbooks it's because you're an image obsessed hipster dipshit.

meh macs are moneypits unless you are doing graphics or whatever

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

any fancy business-class lenovo tends to be slightly more expensive than the comparable mac, but lenovos are certified for linux

it's worth paying a little extra for the better OS

are all lenovos certified?

i know certain ones are

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

 "I do not want to see the light." - Linus Torvalds 2014 :rip:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgUPqygAww

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

time to switch to real debian, then

ubuntu is not really supportable, it's just a mess.

aren't their more apps for ubuntu tho?

ugh i hate religious wars just give me some facts dammit

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

 anyone have any linux terminal emulator suggestions?

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

konsole
yakuake

thanks

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

The problem with Ubuntu isn't a matter of taste. It's not that I don't like Unity, or I have bad feelings about Shuttleworth, or that the logo doesn't agree with me. It's much more fundamental: The Ubuntu model for development is broken.

Ubuntu periodically forks Debian's "Unstable" tree (Debian's rolling release). Canonical, inc. works from that snapshot for six months, and then publishes a Ubuntu release.

Inside that Ubuntu release, there is a core of Canonical-supported packages. Canonical accepts bug reports for these packages. These packages receive updates for the supported lifetime of the release. Ubuntu's "core" is supported much the way that Debian or CentOS is.

The problem is that this core is only a fraction of the packages on the system. Ubuntu 14.04, the latest "long term support" release, contains 44378 packages. Only 8751 of them are in the supported part. The rest of the packages go into a separate repository, "Universe."

The packages in Universe, the missing 35 thousand packages, are six months old on release day. They've gone six months without updates or security patches. By the end of the release cycle, they're five and a half years out of date.

--

Shadowhawk will doubtlessly point out that a legion of unpaid, untrained, unorganized volunteers can "maintain" packages in universe. But it's completely optional. Any given package might be untouched (bad), get backported security updates (good), be updated religiously from upstream (really bad), or replaced with something completely different from debian (really, really bad).

There's no release management process. There are no guarantees about what you find in Universe. It's totally up to the kindness of individual strangers.

Universe and Launchpad.net are sources of "works on my machine" issues and security holes. And that is all I have to say about that.

--

Of course, all this peril can be avoided if you don't enable the "Universe" repositories. If you restrict yourself to the core and update repos, you should have no problems. In that case, Ubuntu could be just fine.

Now let's try to use it.

I'd like to build a ruby application.
Whoops. There's no bundler. That was part of Universe.

Python?
Oops. No pypi and no virtualenv. Those are also stuck in Universe.

Java?
Sorry. Maven was also part of Universe.

Perl?
Nope, no mod_perl2.

PHP?
Actually, PHP works fine with only core. All the necessary bits are supported. I can say without any trace of sarcasm that Ubuntu is 100% totally suitable to hosting PHP applications.

interesting

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

 This belongs here

In the beginning there was command line by Neal Stephenson

E: gently caress phone posting

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

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Its.....Its speaking?!?..........its so beautiful..............what?.........of course i have a chainsaw

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syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i was momentarily somehow surprised that neal stephenson wrote a lot of words

Silly forums poster

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syntaxrigger
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 can't get yeoman to play nice with ubuntu for some reason.
can't get get angular seed clone to recognize its own template and it isn't immediately apparent why.
mean.io's file structure is bloated and poo poo


i have to be missing something unless the only acceptable experience for generating working angular front end applications is OSX
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Squinty Applebottom posted:

wat

my thoughts exactly.

just going to make it myself. apparently when using yeoman some generators, like the angular generator, when yeoman goes through its bootstrapping process it needs to perform some actions, write or execute, that it doesn't have the permission for. However yeoman is constructed to not allow you to run as root...

i don't care anymore just going to make a template project from scratch

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Jul 7, 2011

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 welp i'm an idiot

forgot to do npm install

let the ridicule commence

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Squinty Applebottom posted:

it appears that thousand or millions of developers actually manage to use to just fine, but i dunno

if it is the same issue I am thinking of, i.e. having to download xcode to get the gcc compiler just to use the makefile utility, then it is pretty annoying and why wouldn't you include it by default with the OS? not unusable just dumb

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syntaxrigger
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 well thats cool must have been an older model.

not surprising considering who i am working for


but that is about to change

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 Been trying gnome 3 for the past couple of months and I like it better than unity. Also giving Firefox another try because I made a friend that works there.

Firefox has crashed on me more than a few times and so has flash. Guess I need to figure out why this is happening. Welcome to Linux I guess

Thinking I might kubuntu for no other reason than hope it doesn't have my web browsers crash

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

so you like a poo poo sandwich better than a poo poo and tzatziki gyro?
I just enjoy poo poo I guess? I mean I AM reading you posts

Forgot about HTML 5 option for Firefox. Need to hook that up. Thanks

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oval office AND PASTE posted:

yospos really needs a UI discussion thread because these problems are in no way specific to linux

Agreed

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syntaxrigger
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

there are no "new computer users with no past experience," they do not exist. 76% of homes and 100% of schools have computers in them already, and approximately 0% of them are running gnome 3.x. every user who touches gnome 3 has a prior experience with a system that is not gnome 3

windows 95 mostly got poo poo right, and pretending that they didn't so you can ~*~ innovate ~*~ is just the wrong thing to do

p.s. you are the one who brought up old people, not me. nice goalpost moving from "your grandma" to "new computer users"

I am the children born with computer skills

Fun story no one will read: I was a computer science tutor in college and one day I get a 101 student who calls me over to his desk. His computer is at the login screen. He asks " what do I do?" I respond " your teacher gave you credentials to login with" his response " how do I login?"

A literal thing that happened in 2005

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

ah

so the core audience of "new computer users" for gnome 3 is homeschool kids

e: nvm this is tiresome

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