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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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slogsdon posted:

putting linux users in jail is good policy imo

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Suspicious Dish posted:

which only breaks your software and adds dumb politics on top

on the other hand, debian

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

politics are the point of debian

its a real democracy with hundreds of committees. democracy is ugly. the products are not.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Let me just drop this tarball in my production server from some random vendor and fprot it with some fun roll loops

--this thread

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Suspicious Dish posted:

I'm going by Shadow-"nerd coop"-Hawk's account here, but Wine was apparently telling Debian users that the packages were broken and not to use them. Debian isn't shipping working software.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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ShadowHawk posted:

Uh, no, Debian's Wine maintainer shipped a broken package split into dozens of chunks based on 1.5 year old Wine releases. He also worked for Transgaming who were direct competitors with free Wine. I asked in IRC if someone could do a non-maintainer upload of a new package on my behalf and got a rather cold reception, especially since I didn't have maintainer gatekeeper approval.

Debian's more of a loose confederation of package maintainers running their own fiefdoms than a coherent system.

Sounds like the appropriate result was achieved here tbqh

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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os x is a pile of poo poo and its authentication and user poo poo is retarded as all loving hell

i tell this story again and again but a few years back i found out that os x was literally leaking auth tokens across users on the same machine

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

it was, until it wasn't. apple doesn't really give a poo poo about business users.

they really don't care about any segment of the non-consumer markets and our "designers" are finally realizing this after being poo poo on for the past 2-3 cycles

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

don't worry, by the time they release this theme will be half-abandoned and buried six menus deep in 'systm settings'

i still want windows xp beta's 'watercolor' theme in, somewhere

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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instead of persistent notifications can we have notifications for unread notifications about unread notifications

that seems more linux

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

nice job reiterating my point without adding anything of value

this is the linux thread

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Aug 1, 2004

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The Management posted:

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Captain Foo posted:

This thread is real cool. I do a little bit of halfassed Linux sysadmin at work and run a lubuntu laptop but I like knowing what's behind the scenes if you will

more like whats behind the curtains

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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theadder posted:

emptyquote if ur still not using lunix on the desktop

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

begging for emptyquotes is just sad

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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lol if you're cjing linux individually

just lol

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Aug 1, 2004

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Symbolic Butt posted:

because those names sound dumb as poo poo?

also the greybeards probably don't know what those are by name

tbf neither would the normal people, but hey linux thread

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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run a hose from the nearest sperm bank then, put a pump on a timer

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scroogle nmaps posted:

better than windows still prefixing all the folders with "My" in tyool 2014 even when they supposedly removed that in win7.

looks gone to me

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Last Chance posted:

its crapples turn now. ignore the splashtop quality screenshot



the gently caress is this poo poo

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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my stepdads beer posted:

gnome is really attractive

smdh

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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system center 2012 owns

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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P sure whoever's the one advocating for actually telnetting into a server deployment is the wrong one here jfyi

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Bloody posted:

theyre distributing a linux they probably havent

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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MrMoo posted:

Thus an important part of the puzzle to come is how to fan-out of security patches to multiple versions.

we found a solution to that decades ago, it's called shared libs

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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ahmeni posted:

systemd is really cool because the driving force behind it is "what if we took all the pain points of Linux and over engineered them to the point of being a completely different set of problems"

I converted my "puttering-around" Linux into using systemd and I think I can best describe the idiocy by illustrating with the change from tail -f /var/log/syslog to uh journalctl -somethingorother so I installed rsyslog and got old functionality back :toot:

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Mr Dog posted:

yeah journalctl -f is so very hard to remember, especially since they deliberately chose that flag to be the same as tail -f

rsyslog is more about the poo poo that lives in and off of /var/log/ but ok

journalctl is basically the archetypical overengineered solution, though I like -x

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Sep 2, 2014

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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my stepdads beer posted:

configure your firewall to only allow ssh and other important services to be available from your office's subnet and/or production range

fair enough

quote:

and set up ssh to be key only

lol nope

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and don't worry about fail2ban

still good to use as a generalized service to kill all sorts of things, not just ssh

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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for example

say you run a (properly configured) name server and some morons are trying to bounce ddos off of you

their zombies don't care that you're not actually sending on the recursive lookup, but you're still seeing that poo poo in your incoming, and your logging

fail2ban/recidive to the rescue

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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code:
# iptables -n -L fail2ban-named-refused-udp
Chain fail2ban-named-refused-udp (1 references)
target     prot opt source               destination
REJECT     all  --  178.175.131.27       0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  107.178.245.188      0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  37.61.54.158         0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
RETURN     all  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
code:
# iptables -n -L fail2ban-recidive
Chain fail2ban-recidive (1 references)
target     prot opt source               destination
REJECT     all  --  74.125.71.121        0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  93.46.8.89           0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  107.178.245.188      0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  64.74.97.249         0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
REJECT     all  --  23.229.50.161        0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
(a lot longer list follows)
then you take the recidive list and sort by source and boom, there's your ranges to blacklist

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Sep 3, 2014

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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MrMoo posted:

Having a jump server key-only works wonders, then you can hide it behind .ssh/config and transparently hop into your servers.

ok i can see the value in that

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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http://boycottsystemd.org

Lmao look at this moron

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Hey instead of running this comprehensive thing I recommend you use these distro-specific bespoke packages that don't even purport to be init replacements

Also code xbill to replace bill gates with poettering

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Write your own os/graphics stack/windowing to get away from systemd (and then reimplement xbill as xpoettering)

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computer toucher posted:

it has no monitor because the graphics drivers don't work.

But it has speakers? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Suspicious Dish posted:

I don't understand your proposal. What do you do instead of having a Save dialog? It launches the file manager, and then the user does... what exactly?

you just forget about files and hierarchies entirely and when you click save it puts the file in the butt on its own and when you click open it goes looking in the butt

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

users hate this

well sure, who wants to see a proctologist to recover their tax returns form from 2007

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Soricidus posted:

sorry about your bad software, I hope it gets better. you're probably using an obsolete jre or a stupidly small heap though, java 8 is really fast with anything not written by clowns so maybe try that?

yes let me use fresh untested unsupported incompatible software out of oracle

like a clown

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jre posted:

You missed an important step.

considering the upstream, idk

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Suspicious Dish posted:

Here, I'll reproduce my copy for you:

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