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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

This thread prompted me to throw Fedora on my Chromebook. First time using it, poo poo works out of the box, and it might be my new go-to desktop distro. Wayland still needs a decent dwm/xmonad replacement though - tiling wms are good and I won't be convinced otherwise.

I'm late to container chat but drone/consul/kubernetes type setups are a lot like systemd in my mind: some garbage involved, but there's no desire to go back to what it was like before.

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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i wish someone would port my favorite games to systemd

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

akadajet posted:

Does anyone use those tiles to the right? I feel like it's Microsoft trying to keep the last vestiges of Windows 8 alive.

people with Surface tablets probably (all 10 of them)

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

pram posted:

wtf tomcat is like made to be proxied u dunce

you might be working on a dumpster fire if nginx/varnish/haproxy/etc arent somewhere in your stack

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Gazpacho posted:

i don't need zero-downtime, or multiple applications on the server, or SSL and I don't know why you're assuming that I would

youre saying you want to run tomcat on port 80 and the answer is that http proxies are good and can do that, and you get a shitload of other benefits that you may or may not need at the moment. throwing nginx in front of something in 2018 isnt remotely as inflammatory as init or distro discussions - its just something most web developers do regardless of stack

counterpoint if its just a lovely little admin app that doesnt deserve much thought, leave it on 8080 and dont think about it not being on port 80 :shrug:

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Gazpacho posted:

Did I mention I have already decided to quit this shitshow?

so i was right about the dumpster fire? my legit condolences

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

hot dog stand theme is all the rice you ever need

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

carry on then posted:

it's a better backend than node or php by far

im really starting to loathe groovy+ratpack+rxjava and would almost rather work in node. both are still better than java+springboot by a longshot. the biggest reason im sticking with the jvm (and not driving adoption of something actually enjoyable like .net mvc) is things like hystrix that are difficult to replace for us.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Athas posted:

Do not use OpenSUSE. This is your final warning.

can someone do an nbsd-style breakdown of this? opensuse is the one distro ive never had any desire to use and i know nothing about it

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

thoughts on whether Wayland going to replace X in the next 5 years? how long will XWayland be necessary?

luchadornado fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Nov 7, 2019

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

Universe and Launchpad.net are sources of "works on my machine" issues

This is exactly the reason why Docker, Drone, Concourse, etc. are a thing now - deterministic builds/deploys are important when you have a million microservices being deployed to ephemeral resources like k8s.

I'm used to having to deal with installation of gradle wrappers/nvm/Go/.net core/pip/whatever as part of CI/CD and daily life so I'll give Ubuntu a rare pass in this specific use case. Some development probably embraces the stability and security of older versions of a build toolchain shipping with the core part of a distro, but that's not the case for all dev. Still not a good distro, to your point.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

switched from arch to fedora, and its pretty good, although I uninstall all the wayland/gnome crap now after it flaked on me a few times. im also an idiot that likes compiling my wm/terminal when i want to change a font size.

dnf seems better than pacman and apt i guess?

luchadornado fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 27, 2018

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i deployed something to a new centos instance yesterday and couldnt figure out why nginx kept throwing up "permission denied" gang signs for an hour or two until i figured it out. the same thing worked fine on ubuntu.

thanks, selinux.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Tankakern posted:

what are all you non-technical people and/or children doing here in yospos

i thought most of you touches computers for a living

i write code for a living sir - the best linux is a linux that shuts up and runs my binaries with no sass

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

ratbert90 posted:

Slackware 3.9 was my first distribution. It was pretty awesome. I was 15 at the time....

I'm old. :smith:

that sounds like me. i fondly look back on the days of breaking the dialup configuration on the family computer and being unable to use bitchx

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i tried gnome for about a week and said gently caress it and went back to dwm. say what you will about the suckless philosophy, but i havent had a single issue with dwm/st/dmenu in ~3 years of use.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i want to say im surprised at the latest rms :words:, but the man eats poo poo out of his toes while being recorded on video

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Schadenboner posted:

Why would you have that much dedicated to a single VM?

lots of poo poo you want in memory - ATS, Redis, etc. seem likely candidates. distributed caching has its own issues, and hollow isn't necessarily the answer or even a good answer

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

I do question the logic of running a VM that large when you're going to be consuming at least half the host if not the whole thing. Bare metal, baby

fair point - at least at my office we have constraints that would impact our downstream consumers if we moved from the cloud to our dc's bare metal. same reasons we're looking at moving our proxies and some other things into k8s stateful sets, which is another "defeats the purpose" type thing

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

im also on the broken keyboard mbp train and would be pissed if this werent my work laptop thats almost always docked. as it stands im going to ask for a linux laptop and take my chances there - i think dell xps15 is my choice

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Athas posted:

I just realised that my Fedora 28, running those free AMD drivers ootb, also uses Wayland instead of Xorg. I didn't notice and had to check the process list to make certain. Surely we live in the future now.

:ssh: everythingmost things are shimmed with xwayland so youre still using x

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i recall having issues with mixed-dpi multi-monitor setups in osx and windows too. i just run x+dwm and my battery life is pretty drat good fwiw, and with dwm i usually stick to single monitor anyways.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

eschaton posted:

I wanted a hacktop to carry everywhere and run emulators on, for which it’s extremely needs suiting

(the emulators I care about most, Lisp machines, don’t need sound…)

i had no idea this was a thing and i want one now

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i think compiling your wm to change a color is the dumbest thing ever, but here i am enjoying dwm and tinkering in the source when i want something different. there's something with the simplicity and DIY-ness of the suckless apps that reminds me of all the hobbyist poo poo in the 80s/90s.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

wiped fedora off my chromebook this weekend and went back to chromeos + crouton/ubuntu. a browser and a terminal is really all i need these days so its working pretty drat well.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

if i ever need to work on these mainframes my company is desperately trying to replace for multiple reasons, ill be sure to take a trip out to wisconsin

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

what are my options for something between lynx and firefox in terms of capabilities and resource consumption? ive been playing with surf and w3m, but wondering if theres anything else cool out there

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Captain Foo posted:

Dr Sbaitso fuckin whipped tho

:yeah:

i remember riding my bike down to the hole in the wall computer store and buying a piece of poo poo, used soundblaster. good times.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

ive been playing games on my linux laptop while recovering from surgery and im surprised at how about 30% of my steam library works

the 2016/2017 MBP keyboards suck, im not sure how some people havent realized that yet. they are objectively bad.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i just got a new laptop and was about to throw fedora on it, but i kind of want to see where openbsd is at these days. i have no idea why i would do that to myself. self loathing maybe? also holy poo poo, i haven't seen the initials jkh since efnet like 20 years ago

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Tankakern posted:

this is the stupidest post yet in this thread

that depends on whether or not im motivated enough to install openbsd and post a trip report

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

would i fire an employee going 'it is not rape if you're drunk' in a public discussion about the harassment policy of a trade show the company was organizing? yes, yes i would

this is perfectly reasonable, so will fly over the heads of any of the anti-coc trolls. that post meritocracy manifesto sounds dumb as poo poo, but maybe dont post your lovely beliefs about rape/gender/race/religion for the entire world to see, and you wont have the sjws chasing you with pitchforks.

wayland works fine out of the box in fedora, but im only using it now because its literally the path of least resistance. if i had to put 5 minutes of time into it, thered be no point to using it. it sounds like theyre making progress on screen sharing and some other things but thats a pretty low bar.

firefox support has been "very soon" for a long time. id settle for 2018 being the year of firefox supporting wayland, but i doubt that will even happen:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=Wayland

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

my advice to theo is twofold: start going by the nickname "general" because everyone loves general tsos chicken, and every time you feel like writing 20 paragraphs about rape, consider writing something about linux instead

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

el dorito posted:

supposedly firefox OS was resurrected

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS

you can get it on the nokia 8110 (think phone from the matrix)

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:

who the gently caress is still using desktop linux without i3 smdh

people that have embraced dwm supremacy


i think you mean GNU Linux/2 Warp

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

dropbox on linux to sync your password dbs/dotfiles/notes written in markdown with vim/etc. is awesome though

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Progressive JPEG posted:

i use a git repo for that sort of thing

how do you handle frequent updates, or do you not? the nice thing with dropbox is as soon as I save the opinions_on_build_systems.md file on my phone, its available on my work and home laptops

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

the downside of using any hashicorp tech like vagrant is that you will one day run into a fan that tries selling you on the entire ecosystem as they show you the hashicorp logo tattooed on the small of their back

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

i wanted to fire up an emulator but was too lazy to grab my mbp. after a 5 second struggle with bluetoothctl, my fedora laptop paired with a ps4 controller and it worked perfectly. linux on the desktop is good

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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Tankakern posted:

both gnome and kde has sane bluetooth integration, no need to fire up a terminal and using bluetoothctl to pair anything

i use dwm, and terminal for almost everything. i was just surprised that the non-preferred terminal way was still buttery smooth

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