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ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Suspicious Dish posted:

That's what we're doing for F21 and above.

except now your numbers are so high as to be meaningless
grats on becoming firefox and chromes versioning systems

# ¿ Apr 10, 2014 13:08

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# ¿ Sep 23, 2023 12:39

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

this is possible the fastest way to hate being a UX designer: work in open source.

breaking the workflow of your existing user base in the name of a casual user base that will never exist

Mr Dog posted:

yeah you should go work for microsoft instead, i hear they hire lots of ui designers

actually yes
you'll get paid properly and work in an environment where you're not just trying to catch up with the gui from 2004

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 00:18

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Last Chance posted:

isnt that exactly what ms is doing right now though?

no as dumb as a lot of the stuff theyre doing is, a lot of it is at least new

ahmeni fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Apr 12, 2014

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 06:14

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

docker is not a goddamn security benefit ffs
if you so any kind of continual integration the benefits of being able to programmatically contain and deploy applications is immediately beneficial and the people who bray the loudest are those entrenched in old monolithic system administration

# ¿ May 2, 2014 10:26

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Mr Dog posted:

So make your httpd vhosts programmatically deployable in a way that's slightly more sophisticated than "just stringbash together a file into vhosts.d and SIGHUP the main process, duh. yeah you need root and you'll trash any updates made by hand, what's the big deal"

just dear god don't make it look anything like Tomcat ok

that's config management a la puppet/chef/salt/etc

# ¿ May 2, 2014 12:45

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Smythe posted:

man up you chump stop being a pussy and call this shitloard a fag and be bold. Linux Owns

# ¿ May 3, 2014 01:19

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

just don't use it as a desktop os

# ¿ May 3, 2014 01:20

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

charlize theron was in �on Flux, so she's not really helping your point any

mods name change to �on Fluxbox

# ¿ May 3, 2014 11:02

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Progressive JPEG posted:

o dang thats cool

thanks!!

fight the good fight

the problem is Linux users think the good fight is just more keyboard shortcuts

# ¿ May 4, 2014 09:04

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Suspicious Dish posted:

Distributing working software is hard, because everybody knows that there's no such thing as "working software".

please don't post excerpts from the yum documentation

# ¿ May 19, 2014 23:36

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Suspicious Dish posted:

Why not?

we cant afford for real projects to dip their standards that low

# ¿ May 20, 2014 01:17

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

ShadowHawk posted:

man I don't blame you for getting so mad; there's some serious cognitive dissonance between reality and your world view

like here you were thinking debian's standards were perfect and that the political model of having 1000 separate maintainers who can each veto constructive changes must be the one true way

then reality comes and they can't ship a useful version of wine for years, half of them defect to double as Ubuntu developers, and major important architectural changes like the multiarch transition lag 2 whole years behind Ubuntu

So then you fall back on the "standards" argument. Blind compliance to "standards" was the original justification behind splitting Wine into 12 different packages with names like libwine-oss that had to each be manually installed if you wanted arbitrary apps to work. For actual human users, though, just about every interesting app would break entirely due to this "helpful" feature. And why does this standard exist in Debian? So system administrators who knew exactly what they were doing could theoretically save about 15 kb of disk space by reducing the installation footprint of software that upstream never intended to be split.

I'm sorry but that's really stupid. But, again, you have my sympathies. It's not easy to have your worldview shattered, especially when it was a very well ordered one.

ShadowHawk Was Right

debian people get pissed because they have a giant standard that works for nobody but get mad when people criticize because ITS A STANDARD

# ¿ May 20, 2014 02:42

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the key thing is that if you don't like a standard, you don't just poo poo out a substandard package, upload it, and call it a day. you have to, you know, convince other people it's a good idea and discuss it in appropriate venues and fix the standard

ubuntu's community repos mop up all the people too stupid or obstinate to meet the (minimal) qualifications to upload to debian

idiots who just can't work with others

oh boy i cant wait to go try and wrangle a standard away from a bunch of gross linux nerds who will defend it vehemently because they're so entrenched in the process

# ¿ May 20, 2014 05:04

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

pram posted:

rhel owns

# ¿ May 20, 2014 05:50

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

X11 is piss
brew is nice
bsd is a garbage clown poster who holds on to old lovely standards like the Debian processes and X11 because if they become irrelevant than so does he

# ¿ May 28, 2014 10:01

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

SpaceAceJase posted:

still searching for a tiled window manager that doesn't suck

ion3

# ¿ Jul 18, 2014 08:27

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

SpaceAceJase posted:

Screenshot plz

# ¿ Jul 21, 2014 00:08

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

apparently ion3 hasnt actually been maintained in like 5 years
look at this sperg

quote:

Tuomo Valkonen, the author of Ion, has been at the center of several controversies concerning the licensing and distribution of his software, in particular the proclivity of major Linux and BSD distributions of making outdated development versions of Ion3 (the current unstable development branch) available as part of "frozen" software repositories. Often, such versions will include patches, such as for Xinerama or Xft support, both of which Valkonen disapproves on professional and personal grounds and has had removed from the main source tree. Yet, such distribution would seem to imply that the patched version is the official Ion3 package maintained by Valkonen himself, which he sees as unacceptable. Valkonen has even recently become an outspoken critic of the entire free software and open source movement (the "FOSS herd", as he refers to it)[3] due to his perceived mistreatment at the hands of several major distributions, including Arch Linux, Debian, pkgsrc (NetBSD, DragonflyBSD), and FreeBSD.

On April 28, 2007, Valkonen warned the Arch Linux maintainers of possible legal action because the (unofficial) Arch User Repository contained scripts to install Ion3 with patches he did not approve of.[4] Later on he did the same with the pkgsrc maintainer of the NetBSD project[5] and the ports maintainer of the FreeBSD project.[6] As of December 12, 2007,[7] the development branch of Ion, along with other software by Valkonen, was pulled[8] from the FreeBSD ports tree, after the author filed a complaint about outdated development releases still being available. Any version of Ion may still be installed from source code on any Unix system with proper libraries and dependencies.

Valkonen has implied in several mailing lists that he has become completely disillusioned with, if not openly hostile toward, the free software community in general. He plans to switch to developing strictly closed-source software for the Windows platform in the future.[9] Subsequently the author has given up on *nix and started using Windows instead.[10]

# ¿ Jul 21, 2014 00:10

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

why are you being so goddamn verbose when you should just be saying use Puppet and Splunk

# ¿ Jul 23, 2014 16:32

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

puppet is not the only choice but its one of the better choices because your management stuff should be a description of what a server should look like, not a bespoke set of scripts

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 01:43

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

pram posted:

ansible is declarative fuckerb1tch

gently caress am i thinking of chef

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 01:57

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

ruby is basically awful and i am currently fighting against a dumb rvm issue because rvm is garbage and rubygems are garbage and this entire system was built from piss

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 02:05

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

are any of the new init systems any good yet
do i still have to write a loving bash script or can it be like a loving config file where i specify where my binary is and where the logging should go

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 03:53

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Suspicious Dish posted:

that's what systemd is, except you don't have to specify where the logfile goes, because everything goes in the journal

doug funny's desktop commander

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 05:02

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

weirdly enough the only installer process i ever remember going super smoothly was the gentoo ones

# ¿ Jul 26, 2014 02:18

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

echinopsis posted:

like i said, there is no reason a fully gui installer shouldnt be able to do a stage 1 for you

if it did anything automatically for you then you wouldn't learn poo poo and it would be just another garbage Linux desktop

# ¿ Jul 26, 2014 07:20

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Suspicious Dish posted:

Both of them do.

are they cheap and do they have hardware for playing video

# ¿ Aug 31, 2014 14:10

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

lunix posted:

Many people when they hear the word "btrfs" instantly reply with "is it ready yet?". Thankfully, most of the functionality we really need here is strictly read-only. With the exception of the home sub-volumes (see below) all snapshots are strictly read-only, and are delivered as immutable vendor trees onto the devices. They never are changed. Even if btrfs might still be immature, for this kind of read-only logic it should be more than good enough

lol

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 11:25

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Progressive JPEG posted:

maybe they should think more about fixing the cause (garbage libs whose regressions are going undetected/ignored) instead of the symptom (apps that use those garbage libs having version-specific problems)

also there's already a version numbering system for dynamically linked libraries (albeit one that mostly goes by convention)

lovely packaging is enough of a social problem that Linux folks would rather try to hamfist a code alternative than raise any kind of personal conflict

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 11:28

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

I used to work in a lovely retail chain in Vancouver and waves of kids from Brazil would come in asking for "ipoj with beeg jeegahs"

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 13:42

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

systemd is really cool because the driving force behind it is "what if we took all the pain points of Linux and over engineered them to the point of being a completely different set of problems"

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 12:59

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

syntaxrigger posted:

just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/?

if so i'd be interested in a trip report

new coworker has one with a hidpi screen, it's nice

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 00:55

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yospos is such a dumbfuck apple echo chamber that it even shits up the linux thread

folks who, by definition, do not understand what a unix desktop is for have Very Strong Opinions about unix desktops. some idiots who have nfc are 100% certain that you should use a lovely 1980s unix from a consumer electronics vendor to do unix software development

I was wondering at what point you would be so kind as to succinctly define why you are such a colossal tool

# ¿ Oct 6, 2014 12:22

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

eschaton posted:

better than vi if you need to do anything more than make a quick edit to a config file

of course if you really need to do any significant writing in a terminal window you're doing something wrong

(lol at the cult of vi that sprung up among the ruby-node hipster crowd)

hey guess what you can use arguments against both vi and emacs interchangeably because the actual difference between them is only something people who dont do any real work care about

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 01:52

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

Solaris is still alive. and still better than osx

yes and lol no

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 01:53

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Captain Foo posted:

I use this for wireshark

they're moving to QT so there's no more xquartz and gtk piss to deal with
I've got one of the nightly builds on my phone work machine and it feels way nicer

# ¿ Oct 8, 2014 11:59

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

keyvin posted:

i live in a world where operations guys get paged immediately if a server hits swap

because that is an error condition

- Notorious b.s.d.

that's a really big fuckin problem
your app running on the jvm is likely making GBS threads itself at this point and either you handle it now or you handle it 3am when it goes hard down because you're infinitely GCing

# ¿ Oct 28, 2014 22:21

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

am i the only one who finds env variables confusing, intimidating, and disgusting? i just dont like loving around with stuff that affect random processes randomly and i feel that poo poo should be in a config file. build systems are the loving worst in this regard.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2014 11:21

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

Soricidus posted:

at least we can all agree that ubuntu is bad

it's the windows xp to debians windows 2000

# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 10:41

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# ¿ Sep 23, 2023 12:39

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

it was once a breath of fresh air in a stale piss world but it's time has long passed and its creators have warped it into a twisted shell of its former self

# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 10:42

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