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It just flat out looks like they tried hard on some and phoned in others. If I had to guess I'd say that there were different people/teams responsible for different characters. Fail = Tate, Mousasi, Machida, Condit, Pickett, Lauzon, Chael, Gus, GSP Amazing = Creepy, Bendo, Rory, Cain, Cub, Cung The rest are average.
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omg chael crash posted:But, like, what stops all of those wrestling games from worrying about it?Don't they have create a fighter modes with online sharing as well? Only thing I can think of is EA has nervous lawyers, where THQ didn't give a poo poo.
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MacDougall posted:It just flat out looks like they tried hard on some and phoned in others. If I had to guess I'd say that there were different people/teams responsible for different characters. That GSP is a dead ringer for him, he just looks like exactly what it is though. A vacant faced video game model. I think Chael is the worst we've seen though, he looked like a baked potato.
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triplexpac posted:Only thing I can think of is EA has nervous lawyers, where THQ didn't give a poo poo. Also EA actually has money and is worth suing, THQ no longer exists.
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CarlCX posted:Yeah, as one of the big stupid gotta-catch-'em-all MMA game fans on the planet (seriously I have a copy of Pride GP 2003 and I played Astral Bout RINGS as a kid what is wrong with me) it worries me that they're ostensibly at most three months away from release and they still haven't shown any raw gameplay footage, especially because the striking animation in that clip today looks a whole lot like EA MMA's which felt insubstantial as hell compared to the THQ games. If you actually know how that RINGS one works, then you should hook me up. Also I'm really bummed that I won't be able to make former PRIDE Champion Hulk Hogan this time around 
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Has anyone ever sued a video game company over a Create-A-Whatever mode? There has always been sketchyness around them, going back to old wrestling games where they would just give you the parts you need to make characters that would have otherwise been copyrighted.
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triplexpac posted:Has anyone ever sued a video game company over a Create-A-Whatever mode? There has always been sketchyness around them, going back to old wrestling games where they would just give you the parts you need to make characters that would have otherwise been copyrighted. IIRC Goonfleet sued EVE devs CCCP over copyright issues on Goonfleet's logos.
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Aurain posted:I will never understand the cult of Bruce Lee. He was one of the most important figures in popularizing traditional martial arts at a time when most Americans knew nothing about them, and then he died young as his career was peaking. Basically perfect conditions to create a legend or cult.
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He also was a cool dude who made entertaining movies and taught non-Chinese students martial arts at a time when that was frowned upon. He pretty much rules and I don't understand how anyone could dislike him. He trained like a maniac as well.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:26
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He also made a cool book about the proper techniques for biting people and punching ballsacks
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He was a huge pioneer in the use of performance enhancers as well as the concept of MMA in general. Rather than focus on bullshit mysticism, he focused on what worked.
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new guys added: Dominick Cruz, Josh Thompson, Nate Diaz, Jacare Souza it's cool that Dominick Cruz has now virtually fought in 2 UFC games since the last time he reality fought
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Nothing like Cruz, he's in a cage for starters. That's a decent batch to be honest, Diaz particularly. e: To clarify re: Lee cult. I get why people like him and I don't dislike him, what I should probably have said was I don't understand why people think he'd beat any living person on earth in a fight when he never had a professional fight in his life. He had one hell of an amazing agent/publicist aside from his martial art skill though. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 20:15
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Aurain posted:e: To clarify re: Lee cult. Judo Gene says he's legit. That's good enough for me.
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Aurain posted:Nothing like Cruz, he's in a cage for starters. He beat the unholy gently caress out of Wong Man Jack.
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Captain Log posted:He beat the unholy gently caress out of Wong Man Jack. Was that the fight that Lee's people say he ended in like a minute and the more impartial observers said it went on for like 20 minutes at a stalemate and no one won or lost in any real capacity? I know that there's a supposed fight where that happened but the name of the opponent escapes me constantly.
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New clue is "Born in America". It's not Fedor. Could possibly Bruce Springsteen or Bruce Lee. omg chael crash fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Captain Log posted:He beat the unholy gently caress out of Wong Man Jack.
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Aurain posted:e: To clarify re: Lee cult. Like I said, he was instrumental in popularizing martial arts at a time when few Americans knew anything at all about them. To most people, Bruce Lee was martial arts. You also have to remember that the rise of MMA has been a hugely important phenomenon in martial arts as a arena for figuring out what works. There was a surge of interest in martial arts in the 1960s and 1970s, and then MMA wasn't really a thing until the mid 1990s at the very earliest. In between there was a good 20 years where martial arts were part of pop culture but nobody actually knew how they worked in practical terms, so just making poo poo up was a big part of it. As the most famous martial artist, Bruce Lee was the object of a lot of myths, some of which he had created for purposes of self-promotion. People talk about him in the same way they talk about nonsense like the dim mak death touch, or whatever. As to whether he was legit, he spent a lot of time around martial artists and athletes and they tended to be respectful of his talents, but he didn't fight competitively and I don't think he even sparred. So it's doubtful. Another thing is that because of MMA, fighting technique has advanced more quickly in the past 25 years than at any time ever, so even if he actually was good by the standards of 1970, by present-day standards he'd be a one-dimensional dinosaur. If you took Matt Hughes circa 2004 back in time and had him fight the best martial artists of the 1970s, he'd probably kill everybody. Lee's importance was as a theorist, teacher, and popularizer. Some of the stuff he came up with seems less impressive now because it's become part of the culture. His argument about discarding styles and just using whatever works is so commonplace now that it seems weird to reflect that it was ever revolutionary, but it was. There was also his commitment to physical conditioning, which wasn't taken seriously by a lot of martial artists at the time, but he really went for it at a level that's still impressive today.
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If Bruce Lee really was involved in a lovely 20 minute fight where no one involved has an accurate or consistent account of who won then he really is the original pioneer of MMA.
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omg chael crash posted:New clue is "Born in America". Lee was born in San Francisco.
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astrollinthepork posted:Lee was born in San Francisco. Meant to say that it can't be Fedor but it could be Lee or Springsteen.
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The implementation sounds bad but the mechanic could work. If it's 1 tap in a direction at a time then that's lame, but it would be cool if the defensive player had to keep up with the analog stick movements of the offensive player in real-time.
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It was pretty dumb in the THQ games too, so I'm willing to see some change.
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It sure does. I think even the best submission systems (IMO a tie between Undisputed's cat and mouse and Dreamcast's choke a chunk of their health bar off) aren't even good implementations though. My bad and stupid idea is two systems, depending on if you're using power or technique for the sub. Power is a straight button mash, and technique is like a Simon Says system, filling in a jiu jitsu flowchart from the first step of the submission to the finish. There would be five end results depending on mini game scoring: Reversal, Defender gains position, Neutral, Attacker gains position, Submission. You could have character traits where a guy like Mir could use the technique method by default in most situations, and Bob Sapp uses the power method in almost every situation, regardless of effectiveness. It's convoluted sure, but so is this approach of putting in Mortal Kombat fatalities before your opponent does.
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omg chael crash posted:New clue is "Born in America". hmmmm, well there goes my Manhoef idea.
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omg chael crash posted:Meant to say that it can't be Fedor but it could be Lee or Springsteen. I was tired and read it wrong
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http://instagram.com/p/mYdmBHpMB3/ Jon Jones thinks highly of this mystery fighter.
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Shoota_McG posted:http://instagram.com/p/mYdmBHpMB3/ All that confirms is that you can't use him to challenge for Jones' belt
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I'm preemptively pissed about how high Bruce Lee's takedown defense and ground game stats are going to be.
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1st AD posted:Also EA actually has money and is worth suing, THQ no longer exists. 2K exists and is bigger than EA.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:All that confirms is that you can't use him to challenge for Jones' belt So four weight classes, I guess that eliminates LHW and HW (by deduction). Bruce Lee is looking like a real possibility.
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EvanSchenck posted:As to whether he was legit, he spent a lot of time around martial artists and athletes and they tended to be respectful of his talents, but he didn't fight competitively and I don't think he even sparred. So it's doubtful. Another thing is that because of MMA, fighting technique has advanced more quickly in the past 25 years than at any time ever, so even if he actually was good by the standards of 1970, by present-day standards he'd be a one-dimensional dinosaur. If you took Matt Hughes circa 2004 back in time and had him fight the best martial artists of the 1970s, he'd probably kill everybody. Lee's importance was as a theorist, teacher, and popularizer. Some of the stuff he came up with seems less impressive now because it's become part of the culture. His argument about discarding styles and just using whatever works is so commonplace now that it seems weird to reflect that it was ever revolutionary, but it was. There was also his commitment to physical conditioning, which wasn't taken seriously by a lot of martial artists at the time, but he really went for it at a level that's still impressive today. Shoota_McG posted:So four weight classes, I guess that eliminates LHW and HW (by deduction). Bruce Lee is looking like a real possibility.
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triplexpac posted:Only thing I can think of is EA has nervous lawyers, where THQ didn't give a poo poo. triplexpac posted:Has anyone ever sued a video game company over a Create-A-Whatever mode? There has always been sketchyness around them, going back to old wrestling games where they would just give you the parts you need to make characters that would have otherwise been copyrighted.
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triplexpac posted:Has anyone ever sued a video game company over a Create-A-Whatever mode? There has always been sketchyness around them, going back to old wrestling games where they would just give you the parts you need to make characters that would have otherwise been copyrighted. A little late, but Marvel sued Cryptic & NCsoft for City of Heroes create-a-character & they settled out of court.
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triplexpac posted:Only thing I can think of is EA has nervous lawyers, where THQ didn't give a poo poo. Realistically, in WWE who are you going to create? Either someone who was in WWE and isn't going to sue because that'd be bad form or create someone from a podunk little-league wrestling company like ROH or TNA who don't have the money to fight WWE in a legal battle. And NJPW just don't care. In MMA, you have Bellator who have Viacom behind them and could cause poo poo. You have Fedor who would probably send Russian goons after the UFC. You have all the boxing people in case you made Money Mayweather. I think the risk is higher, that's why.
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LordPants posted:Realistically, in WWE who are you going to create? Either someone who was in WWE and isn't going to sue because that'd be bad form or create someone from a podunk little-league wrestling company like ROH or TNA who don't have the money to fight WWE in a legal battle. And NJPW just don't care. You can download almost any copyrighted and decently known character in the world on WWE. The Simpsons, Metal Gear Solid, Sesame Street characters... It's crazy.
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