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Pollyanna posted:I made a thing. Hey I really enjoyed this listen. To me, it evokes imagery and feelings of exploration somewhere dark. Maybe flavours of a sci-fi / fantasy dungeon crawler? Perhaps somewhere in a cave or underwater. Or a metroid level? Keep it up. Maybe you'll have your own style/genre before too long!
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Thank you so much!!! Yeah, it ended up being Metroid or a Donkey Kong Country level for some reason. I think that’s my influences bleeding through. Already noticing a few things to change, the bongo-drum things need more dynamics cause an insistent line like that is kinda driving me nuts. But that can be a lesson applied to future tracks. I want to make something in the style of DnB, jungle, or trip-hop next, so maybe I’ll dive into some samples.
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May 23, 2022 13:31
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Ok Comboomer posted:https://youtu.be/IpimUUP2LaQ BTW that is a shameless Moby rip off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdu9UwXqGc
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Hey I'm looking for a separate little MIDI controller to use with my VT-4 and my Zoia. I just want something that's 25-key with 5 pin MIDI out and reasonably good feeling keys that won't fall apart. Small as possible and cheap. Any thoughts? I'm finding lots of stuff that's small and cheap but it's basically all MIDI over USB, while the stuff with 5 pin MIDI out mostly seems to have a lot of bells and whistles that I don't need or want.
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May 24, 2022 00:37
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Keystep is ok
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A MIRACLE posted:Keystep is ok Oh drat that does look like it might fit the bill!
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May 24, 2022 00:40
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So i think I need a reamp box? Maybe? Basically trying to run sound out of the DAW and into effects pedals, and the gain is waaaay low. I can crank it up on the interface, but then it seems to be pretty touchy and wants to kill me with what I'm assuming is feedback. Entirely possible I could be doing something incredibly wrong.
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Trig Discipline posted:Hey I'm looking for a separate little MIDI controller to use with my VT-4 and my Zoia. I just want something that's 25-key with 5 pin MIDI out and reasonably good feeling keys that won't fall apart. Small as possible and cheap. Any thoughts? I'm finding lots of stuff that's small and cheap but it's basically all MIDI over USB, while the stuff with 5 pin MIDI out mostly seems to have a lot of bells and whistles that I don't need or want. fuckin hate keysteps. grabbed this 3 years ago: https://www.amazon.com/midiplus-Classic-25-Keyboard-Controller/dp/B00VHKM6SQ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 but its gone now. someone else is probably making them though. its very much exactly the same everything as that one MAudio one from bitd just w/ a different branding a mysterious cloak posted:So i think I need a reamp box? Maybe? what pedals? if its a distortion / clipping od yeah thats how they work and you wanna drop the signal to inst level first. if its chorus/flanger/delay/verb/something else time based or that lives in the effects loop then it shouldn't care but maybe it has a cool pre or something that you can clip (like the SDD-3000) (in which case treat the pre like an od/distortion)
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May 24, 2022 01:47
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Look for like a edirol pcr 300 I also hate key steps cause mine broke I just don’t know what else for tiny midi boards
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May 24, 2022 01:59
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JamesKPolk posted:fuckin hate keysteps. grabbed this 3 years ago: Just the Microcosm and Afterneath for now. I'll try tweaking a bit more - it just seemed like it got batshit loud out of the blue, so it could definitely be my dumb hands, twiddling knobs, like a dummy.
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toadee posted:BTW that is a shameless Moby rip off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdu9UwXqGc you mean like how Moby built his whole fortune + career taking Musicology 201: 20th Century American Music 1900-1950 blues samples, slapping babby’s first beat over them, and calling it done?
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May 24, 2022 03:04
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And it’s also his best album by ten country miles?
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Ok Comboomer posted:you mean like how Moby built his whole fortune + career taking Musicology 201: 20th Century American Music 1900-1950 blues samples, slapping babby’s first beat over them, and calling it done? listening through this one is even lower effort, somehow. also presented as an original composition which is whatever but kind of cringe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94t5XxrKnOg heres someone doing something similar more respectfully (and just, better, imo) not to like defend moby or anything
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May 24, 2022 03:20
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Synth Thread: Come for Keyboard Chat, stay for 2022’s hottest dunks on Moby
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Ok Comboomer posted:you mean like how Moby built his whole fortune + career taking Musicology 201: 20th Century American Music 1900-1950 blues samples, slapping babby’s first beat over them, and calling it done? I suppose there's a comparison but I mean that song is literally just taking the entire track Desperate, literally playing it, underneath the same song played by other samples at the same time. It's somehow even more blatant than the Nari & Milani rip off of Flat Beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vs5UJPAXN0 Ok Comboomer posted:And it’s also his best album by ten country miles? Not even close https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kdxk3qMYhs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yliO3VNXtT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ice5Nw6ltfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kijaJ4ZBteg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUJsCvsuhbg
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toadee posted:I suppose there's a comparison but I mean that song is literally just taking the entire track Desperate, literally playing it, underneath the same song played by other samples at the same time. oof, I just got taken to school 
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May 24, 2022 03:34
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Moby rules but is also extremely fun to dunk on. 
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May 24, 2022 03:34
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moby op'ed this thread
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That song he did that ended up in Bourne Identity was pretty badass. Never listened to any of his other stuff though, never really caught my ear.
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Moby has herpes.
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Great moment when Ray Keith was on the Uncle Dugs Show #RCFF on Rinse FM years ago talking about remixing that. His is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn_CdRFktPU lol I'm paraphrasing but he said they got the contract and shortly after the DAT with the stems, went through them, basically said "what the gently caress" to the entire disc, found that one "Yes yes" sample, and built the whole new track around that
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May 24, 2022 03:42
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Almost none of his stuff after Play was any good IMO, but his earlier stuff, all of the 90s stuff, the stuff he recorded as Voodoo Child etc is pretty banger ridden. A lot of early experimental Acid stuff. Like the Demons/Horses EP is some intense mind numbing Acid techno. I honestly am not sure what happened / why he decided trying to be a pop/rock star was more fun/whatever but if you like Acid Techno, Ambient Techno, and a bit of early NYC House his early stuff is well worth digging through
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I think Moby is like the Beatles in that he's influential but other people doing his songs / ideas are always 1000x better
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https://youtu.be/rKq_MNU95pA https://youtu.be/oj9_Ng7vyl8 also in a less entertaining light Moby was outed as a weirdo creep by both Natalie Portman and Lana Del Rey, and I think a bunch of other women too. I think somebody in an old thread once posted a story about him awkwardly trying to hit on some of the models for a music video shoot he was involved in. Also he’s apparently dinnertime buds with Adam Schiff, which is whatever but also kinda odd I guess
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JamesKPolk posted:I think Moby is like the Beatles in that he's influential but other people doing his songs / ideas are always 1000x better 
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https://youtu.be/8PwwRR8deHk
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I love my Zoia but man there are people out there who make me realize I am massively underutilizing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz6n3QCvTts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BScJvZXQDU
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Does anyone here have an opinion on the Yamaha Reface series of keyboards? Played the YC Organ one in a jam recently and ai can't get it out if my mind. Then went down a youtube hole and I'm now hella desiring the DX one as well. But I'm hoping what happened with my Minilogue, i.e. I never use it, doesn't happen either. And apparently they're sold out in NYC lol
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Shageletic posted:Does anyone here have an opinion on the Yamaha Reface series of keyboards? Played the YC Organ one in a jam recently and ai can't get it out if my mind. Then went down a youtube hole and I'm now hella desiring the DX one as well. But I'm hoping what happened with my Minilogue, i.e. I never use it, doesn't happen either. People hated them at first and then they slow-burned into cult favorite status. They’ve been perennially quite popular (especially the DX) since then.
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A MIRACLE recommended the Reface DX to someone recently. I had a 15% off coupon emailed to me from an online retailer, the Reface line was on the list of qualifying items. I contemplated getting one, because I didn't see anything else on the list I was interested in, but they're all backordered. I let the coupon expire. My only opinion is that they should have called the Reface CP anything else.
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My opinion is they should make an actual size dual manual YC/CP 
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The dx rules. The CS is really good and spacey but has a pretty narrow range imo. The organ and EP ones are also really good. The CS doesn’t have velocity like the DX does
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Here’s something I’m curious about : do you include FX as part of a synth patch, or leave it dry and expect to user to add their own? A large chunk of the character of any synth and its patches are the effects on it, but those effects may not necessarily be called for in any given track. What if you need a delay but no distortion, while the patch you’re using has a lot of reverb and bit crushing on it from the synth’s FX? I’m coming from the POV of designing patches in Vital, which has a pretty good per-patch FX chain built in. Any patch I make never feels complete without being drenched in FX, though. Is it better to provide flexibility, or to make a patch that stands entirely on its own? kidfresca posted:A MIRACLE recommended the Reface DX to someone recently. That mighta been me. I so want a DX, the patch editing workflow looks dope.
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Moby talk should always include the second episode of Heavyweight (an amazing podcast in its own right). https://gimletmedia.com/shows/heavyweight/brholm/2-gregor quote:20 years ago, Gregor lent some CDs to a musician friend. The CDs helped make him a famous rockstar. Now, Gregor would like some recognition. But mostly, he wants his CDs back.
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Pollyanna posted:Is it better to provide flexibility, or to make a patch that stands entirely on its own? Haven't worked with vital, but I'm guessing it's got to be pretty easy to disable or replace effects if I want to.
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Shageletic posted:Does anyone here have an opinion on the Yamaha Reface series of keyboards? Played the YC Organ one in a jam recently and ai can't get it out if my mind. Then went down a youtube hole and I'm now hella desiring the DX one as well. But I'm hoping what happened with my Minilogue, i.e. I never use it, doesn't happen either. The Reface DX is amazing. Like, everything about it. The editing is great, the sound is incredible, the keybed is genuinely well, perfect. I wouldn’t mind owning them all honestly. Best part is that you can run them off batteries and go dial in some patches or jam wherever.
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Pollyanna posted:Here’s something I’m curious about : do you include FX as part of a synth patch, or leave it dry and expect to user to add their own? If the patch is a recreation, then all the effects required to approximate the original as closely as possible are fair game. If the patch is an original, all the effects are the author's intent. If the patch is intended as a starter, I'll keep the effects at a minimum. The simplest machine has the fewest moving parts. quote:A large chunk of the character of any synth and its patches are the effects on it, but those effects may not necessarily be called for in any given track. What if you need a delay but no distortion, while the patch you’re using has a lot of reverb and bit crushing on it from the synth’s FX? I’m coming from the POV of designing patches in Vital, which has a pretty good per-patch FX chain built in. Any patch I make never feels complete without being drenched in FX, though. The effects in a synth like Vital are like semi-modular building blocks that can have all kinds of modulation going on by themselves. They aren't separate from the patch; they're absolutely part of the patch. It's not like an older machine where you'd have one or two effects with a static setting and you don't touch them anymore afterwards. Let's say you have a flanger. Now, try freezing the flanger by setting the rate to zero. Then, modulate the offset with an LFO instead. It's like you have the original flanger effect back again, but now you control the rate with the LFO instead. Now, give that LFO's modulation map a stair step effect. There's no way you could do that with the original setup. A point of pride for many grognards is that "real synths don't need all of those effects to sound good". That approach is sort of like food in the sense that the ingredient itself should taste good, instead of having its taste hyped up by all kinds of spices, but that analogy too has its flaws (because everything gets better with butter, sugar, salt, garlic and MSG. Well, perhaps not at the same time, and not for things like ice cream). Lots of synths absolutely lean on their effects to sound good. The Juno chorus does amazing stuff; it's MSG for audio. It was originally designed to compensate for a lack of a second oscillator, but it's different from that and really its own thing. A Rhodes would get a whole host of effects applied to it. Without an ensemble effect, most string synths sound like crap. A DX7 comes alive with a little chorus and reverb. The shimmer reverb - pitch shifter + reverb + feedback - is a trick you'll find on boatloads of albums. Lots of it is also not a problem; I mean, run a nice synth through an Eventide H8000 and it sounds awesome, but a crappy Casio keyboard can also sound awesome. You're mainly hearing the effects, however. Thing is, "too many effects" is mostly a problem when you use them incorrectly. If you want a focused sub bass sound, a reverb's not going to help. If you apply 12 different reverbs, one on each track, it won't sound like a coherent whole. Too many delays cause chaos. Ultimately all of this is about your intent. Ableton's presets for the built-in synths like Operator are just dry by themselves; there you have the explicit choice for "I'll build the effects chain myself". There are also some instrument racks with the effects included. Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 24, 2022 |
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Corollary to the *excellent* post above is current best practice for recorded multitracking is record dry (mixers will even give you a pre-channel output for this sometimes), add effects during mix, and when possible do bus effects over individual ones. Saves processor power and units but also gives you a more consistent sound and lets the non-linear flavor/glue stuff do its magic. there's reasons to break all these rules but when in doubt these are good things to default to because they defer you making decisions about dynamics and soundstage until you have a more complete picture of the track. this applies more so to like delay/reverb/spatial stuff that is kind of about making things seem like they're together than like noise gates/distortion where a lot of the time you need it on the first take for it to work (or you're re-amping etc). also worth reading up on ear/decision fatigue as it applies to all this, the compressor example is well-known but we react similarly to e.g. reverb. knowing when you're hitting this point helps curtail the endless tweaking / overfocus on minutae I assume every single poster in the thread about music electronics is prone to (but my b if thats just me projecting)
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I think the main knock against the DX is the memory limit. Only 32 onboard patches. I like a lot of the presets so it’s more like 16 patches. I don’t think it would take more than a few bytes to store these values so I don’t really get it
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Pollyanna posted:do you include FX as part of a synth patch, or leave it dry and expect to user to add their own? I ALWAYS design patches dry, no matter how good a given synth's internal effects are. I prefer to use my FX plugins for all effects (mainly because I know my handful of go-to plugs very well and it's easy for me to get the sound i want out of them). Pollyanna posted:Is it better to provide flexibility, or to make a patch that stands entirely on its own? When I use a preset from a synth like Nexus, I will either significantly dial back the patch's onboard effects or disable them altogether and then apply my own in the DAW- but while browsing/auditioning presets I do often find the built-in FX helpful for imagining what it would sound like in my track. There are some companies who kind of have trademark FX that I try to avoid (for example, almost every UVI library has tons of patches with this weird effect that alternates every other note in the stereo field- like a stereo ping-pong delay, but it's the source notes that get ping-ponged. Hate that poo poo, disable it 100% of the time.)
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