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^^ The only catch is that almost all Russian export weapons systems are downgraded.Ardennes posted:Actually, in the case of both India and Vietnam, it is pretty big ticket stuff, fighter planes/subs and in the case of India even a aircraft carrier. To add on to this, India is further ramping up cooperation with Russia in multiple other arms related fields such as tanks. The current generation Indian built tank turned out to be pretty awful and they basically gave up and paid Russia for more export T90s than the RFA has active. Furthmore they have struck a cooperation agreement to collaborate on the new upgunned Russian MBT which is beginning development right about now, with Russia doing most if not all the design and engineering and India financing a large part of it. It's anticipated they will strengthen military relations in the future, especially with regards to arms trades. az fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Mar 22, 2014 |
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Frogfoots are very powerful in offensive CAS operations but their only proper defensive mechanism is speed, which is just good enough to possibly weasel out of ground based air defense systems range and/or LoS. It's near helpless against A2A attacks and it would get wrecked in seconds if it ran into a good modern ADS like a Gepard or equivalent. The Russians are currently upgrading their 25s on the cheap with a focus on extended lifespan, targeting systems and upkeep reduction. They are figuratively glass cannons, very powerful until they run into proper air defense. What's most interesting is which direction their next MBT will be going, considering they've apparantly already settled on an upgunned 140mm cannon and speculations are it will be uparmored too. /milchat Has anyone of the pro Russia/RT crowd commented on Russia seizing, blockading and attempting to seize more Ukrainian naval vessels (like it is happening right now)? I'd love to hear an explanation on the legality of literal piracy.
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Mar 22, 2014 15:40
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awesome-express posted:Isn't the Eurofighter in the same league as the F-35? In short, the F35 is a complete disaster that costs more than any other plane and performs like poo poo. The Gripen and Rafale are one gen behind and the F22 and EF are comparable in some tests, but both have birthing problems ranging from annoying to pretty bad. They still need time to get to a stable service ceiling, while the F35 will, in my view, never amount to anything but a colossal failure. The Russian PAK-FA is still in advanced testing and has technical problems to overcome but could be promising. They're also working on a future stealth fighter but it's still in the design stages as Mig 1.27. edit: please let's not turn this into groverchat, if you think the F35 is the second coming of Christ that's cool but let's keep that out of this thread until F35s are falling from the Moscow skies.
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Mar 22, 2014 16:15
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Twitter says explosions and gunshots at Belbek. Waiting for conf.
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Mar 22, 2014 16:46
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Didn't find any confirmation for gunshots or explosions at Belbek but according to EM twitter they're trying to capture another Ukrainian vessel atm.
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Mar 22, 2014 17:11
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A self fulfilling prophecy is coming to pass. German MoD "demands" eastern flank of NATO to be strengthened due to Russias recent actions, just now. Means more NATO closer to the border and more isolationist sentiment in Russia. The chicken/egg discussion with regards to "western encroachment or Russian aggression" is moot now since we'll get both for the price of one.
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Mar 22, 2014 18:58
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I hadn't seen offical numbers for this before, the Black Sea Fleet has more or less quietly captured 54 of 67 Ukrainian naval vessels so far.
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Mar 22, 2014 19:05
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Cantorsdust posted:I didn't realize NATO had anything but an eastern flank. Who the hell are we defending against in the west, north, or south? Russia+China, Russia, Sharks.
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Mar 22, 2014 19:27
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Mightypeon posted:
I didn't actually want an explanation or reasoning, I was looking for how the pro crowd would bend these captures into legality. Also deserting/yielding is still technically capturing and high treason.
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Mar 22, 2014 21:16
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The Russian bank SMP, owned by good Judo buddies of Putin, has "convinced" Visa and Mastercard to reopen business with them after the banks had closed transactions with SMP in accord with US sanctions. I'd love to have been a fly on that wall during that call.
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Mar 23, 2014 16:51
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They will receive a concerned call from Jaboc Lew's office and go out for a round of golf.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:44
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It's a tapped phone conversation and was leaked by someone who wants to discredit Tymoshenko and/or the Ukrainian side in this conflict, this will get play in the Russian media especially.
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Mar 24, 2014 14:05
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Hijacking another nations navy is an act of war in itself, and if they don't give them back it will practically end Ukrainian naval projection in the black sea. Their only hope would be getting some european or american handme-down frigates, covettes and destroyers for free.
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Mar 24, 2014 19:41
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Rime posted:So out of the following rumors: Russian behaviour thus far has been pretty much a wildcard, and while the troop buildups are a thing, the annexation stories are just that, stories floated by people on either side ranging from rumor-mongering to wild speculation and warnings.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:10
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No it's not, stop parroting wrong information and bad opinions.
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Mar 25, 2014 03:00
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:The text of that article is ridiculous, and there is no mention of anything of the sort anywhere else, either international, Latin American, or Argentine media. Not to mention that if Russia wanted to open a base in Latin America it would be Cuba or Venezuela. Maybe he really wants to reenact the plot of Battlefield: Bad Company 2. (Russia invades South America to then pincer into the USA from Mexcio and Alaska.)
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Mar 25, 2014 18:58
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The plot of World in Conflict was the closest thing I've seen (outside of military planning) that manages to pull off a somewhat believable invasion of the USA, very good game that was. If only the chinese had come in sooner 
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Mar 25, 2014 20:13
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Who doesn't want to live out their Turner Diaries/Red Dawn fantasies for real? The Ukrainian government and military seem completly paralyzed in fear that any defensive measures would react in all out war. The media of the world doesn't understand what this seizing of naval assets, sovereign Ukrainian assets, really means, I belive because we haven't seen something like this since WW2. I haven't seen a word on it outside of cold wire reports everytime they capture or blockade another ship.
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Haven't seen this posted yet, Obama said this today, bolding mine: "America's got a whole lot of challenges. Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors, not out of strength but out of weakness." Putin's gonna throw his tea cup at the wall over this.
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Mar 25, 2014 21:34
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If they make a move on the Tatars we'll have a human rights disaster on our hands and things could get really ugly.
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At night this thread is like Gizmo if you feed it after midnight, and then drown it in the tub. To add to the Obama derail, his prescreening detail are the worst people in the world. If he ever comes back to Berlin I will take a month of sickdays in advance.
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twoday posted:No, it's more a poverty thing. "See what happens when you embrace the nazi human being lifestyle?? You won't be able to afford a car!! And if you can afford a car you will be sleeping in it because then you won't be able to afford an apartment. Also there will be black people nearby!" That streak of Russian propaganda accusing western Europe of all those things could be replaced by an hour loop of the growing ironicat.
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Mar 27, 2014 05:45
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"I'll have the Soviet Union with a side of Oligarchy, but hold the socialism and the communism. Oh and pour some hyper nationalism over the whole thing, I love that!"
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Mar 27, 2014 06:47
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Majorian posted:This is well-put, but that's Russia. That's the empire of Peter the Great, three hundred years later. Well there are several distinct differences. For one, Putin isn't interested in adopting western culture and technology, quite the opposite unfortunately.
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Mar 27, 2014 09:10
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Ardennes posted:Actually that really isn't true at all, Moscow and the rest of Russia is only becoming more Westernized as commercial and popular culture go and if anything Russia imports all types of technology from the West. They have a independent arms industry still, but so did Peter. If you walk around Moscow especially you can see globalization already has had its impact. Oh of course, I've been to Moscow, although the countryside is a completly different story. What I meant was that Putin, and his people, personally have little interest in bringing the country in closer with the west as Peter did, travelling Europe for innovations back home. He is more interested in Russia being an island of russianness. They aren't to the point of resenting everything and all from the west but they've been working on at least dampening the cultural globalization recently, see the image with Ukraine choosing between the decadent west and glorious Rassiya.
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kalstrams posted:This is so Of course, on purpose 
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I like how they managed to misspell the word "ruble".
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Phlegmish posted:Seriously? Those goddamn idiots. Is it connected to the recent death of one of their leaders? 100%
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darthzeta88 posted:http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-03-26-crimeas-new-russian-annexation-partner-alaska?width=360&height=515&size=small&olcts=1395953953142 I wanted to make fun of the badly google translated petition text when this caught my eye. idiot retard in the comments posted:Russia with 13% income tax for all. beautiful culture and women, and no black mutants in the streets, I would move to Alaska when it joins Russia.  Maybe you should go.
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Incantus posted:Would the US, or, I don't know someone like Saudi Arabia, trying to tank oil or natural gas prices be effective at 'sanctioning' Russia? Very much so. Anyway, Putin isn't done yet with Ukraine. Yanuks speech today and the increasing levels of Russian mobilization plus Russian agents operating in the eastern Ukraine create a scenario that they are trying to either break off the eastern part through unrest or jack the heat up under the interim government in Kiev in the hopes they get another Kremlin friendly one. Note: This does not mean that something is definitely going to go down. This means they are looking for cracks to apply pressure to and may act on it. Also seeing how a few Baltic goons may be worrying, the mobilization in the northwestern front (aimed at the Baltics) is just a show, for time being.
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kalstrams posted:Is there any tl;dr available? "Hey Ukrainians, your new government are imposters and thugs, you should like totally demand a referendum to restore order  "
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An important observation is that Yanuk is now doing all of his work from inside Russia. You can bet your soul that he is being controlled or at least held in check by government people.
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But you see, Israel totally didn't mean it. In news that apply to eastern Europe, Germany today signed 18+ new deals with China, including a provision to trade the Yuan in Frankfurt. This after Merkel officially announced that they're now looking for ways to substitute as much of Russian gas and oil as possible to avoid being held hostage in the future. Putin has done a great deal of damage to the Russian economy by proxy with his Crimean adventure, even if it will only be felt over time as German and other Euro business starts avoiding Russia and putting even more focus on Sino-European trade. az fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Mar 28, 2014 18:42
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Boner Slam posted:shiiiiiit gotta buy me some Yuan nownownow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEV7n9co74
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Mar 28, 2014 18:59
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Did Putin actually think there was any chance in hell that China would back him? I don't know what goes through his mind but I assume they sincerely hoped that China would side with them against "the west". Or that they didn't care either way which is foolish. China has been confrontational with Russia for years now and there's no end in sight, see China proactively taking over as much of the 'stans oil and pipelines as they can, massively cutting into Gazproms profits.
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Adar posted:You guys will understand Russia, Putin *and* China a lot better as soon as you realize that not only do Putin/Russians genuinely not give a gently caress either way, the point was never to impress the Chinese because both sides already play the same game. Russia wants its empire back, but what your average European Russian thinks of the east is "frozen wasteland my uncle never returned from" and what they think of the south is "browns live there". China wants to expand economically, so there's always going to be some friction there, but at the end of the day Putin and the 70% of Russians who will legitimately vote for him want to be a European Great Power again just like the Chinese really want Greater China. Because they understand each other very well, both sides will sign trade deals with each other forever and the worst spats on either end will be over Kazakhstan -only- because the north part is Russian. If this were the 1940's they'd already have signed the Putin/Xi pact and divided Kazakhstan between them. I'm not sure why you quoted me because that has nothing to do with it. On the international diplomacy stage Russia looked to want China's support and did not receive it, because China doesn't need to and is more interested with other global players, that's what I said and that was the original question, framed in international diplomacy and recognition.
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Niedar posted:Im not sure where you got the understanding that Russia thought China would support them. That is not the way China operates and they did in my mind and i'm sure everyone elses exactly what is expected which is nothing. I answered someone else's question about it, and it has been postulated in the press that Russia was expecting Chinese backing. I know very well what is going on between the two which is why I was surprised to hear of that in the first place, if it's true is another story. McDowell posted:Russia was one of the first places Xi Jinping visited once he became Premier. I don't see how China abstaining from the SC and GA votes means they oppose Russia, they are trying to stay neutral. That was diplomacy. China has been pulling the rug out from under several Russian interests in the last decade and is continuing these practices, mostly economical dealings with the 'stans. The Russians are very unhappy about the situation but can't or won't respond in any meaningful way that doesn't cause open contention. az fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Ardennes posted:They already have through arms sales to India and more importantly Vietnam (who has direct territorial disputes with China). I don't think Putin was expecting Chinese support rather their respectful neutrality which they have generally gave. Russia and China are not natural allies even through there is the expectation they should be. I hadn't thought that the Indian arms sales could be in response, rather than sheer capitalism, I'll look into the details and timelines eventually to test that theory.
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Some news for this morning. Putin initiated a phonecall with Obama last night. This means he called either to complain about the status of sanctions or wants to signal the will for cooperation to avert further measures. Guardian posted:"President Obama made clear that this remains possible only if Russia pulls back its troops and does not take any steps to further violate Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty," the White House said. Meanwhile in Ukraine, Tymoshenko announced her plans to run for president. Klitschko responded by renouncing his ambitions for the candidacy and that he will put his support behind Poroshenko in an effort to "strengthen the democratic forces" aswell as blocking Tymoshenko.
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In evening news, Germany is sending up to six Luftwaffe planes to strengthen the Baltic air patrol and a Frigate for C&C purposes in the region. Meanwhile the world bank forecasts a 1.8% net loss for the Russian economy in the near future, things are looking bleak for the Russian markets.
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