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krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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at the date posted:

Who's more pathetic: the passive-aggressive fatty who hogs the elbow rests on the plane or the dweebs on either side of him who do nothing except bitch about it on Twitter?

everyone involved



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krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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quote:

“trigger readers who have experienced ... colonialism,"

lmao gently caress everything kill all humans

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Tide posted:

The biggest problem I have with that article is this statement:


It's hard, but not impossible and typically the jobs that pay more than min wage do so because nobody wants to do them - especially not liberal arts types. Hell, forklift drivers make pretty drat good money for what they do (quick look in the want ads shows anywhere between 12 and 20 bucks an hour. I could name off half a dozen jobs what pay pretty decently (not enough to really support a family but well enough to go to school) - route driver, forklift driver, general laborer/worker for construction, trade apprentice (plumber, electrician, etc). One of my roommates in college (now flying F18s for the Navy) worked his way through college cutting lawns. The guys that pull mooring lines on our cargo ships make $60 pretax a call out for what amounts to half an hour worth of work. Three ships a day (really easy to do) yields $180 per day pretax. I made $100-$200 a night in '91-'96 money bartending and waiting tables.

I'll readily concede that all Mike Rowe dirty jobs that pay pretty well aren't available in all towns/cities, but I can't imagine they don't exist at all. I don't disagree that when taking wages/earnings into consideration the cost of college hasn't gotten out of whack, at all. But so has everything else.

I don't want to say "Bootstrap it, bitch, get your hands dirty" to people that are relying on student loans to get through college or complaining about the cost but..."Bootstrap it, bitch...get your hands dirty".

you're really simplifying it and shifting it from college being preposterously expensive to people just not working hard enough.

i'm not gonna make excuses for people because it definitely is possible to work and pay for college, but in non-worthless degree programs that require a lot of focus on complex subjects, it's certainly not desirable to have students working full time just to break even

as always its as if the truth lies somewhere in the middle

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

Oh lord let's not segue into the jerbs market

are there not enough puns there or something

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Tide posted:

(I'm terrible and not funny)

finally something we can all agree on in the current events thread

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:

so what's the ~free market~ solution to everything

nuke the earth

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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orange juche posted:

krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth and gently caress the hole

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

There's decent evidence that Snowden was a Rus agent or at least turned long before he got his NSA contractor job.

I've never heard this even once. Source?

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

poo poo man I can't remember where I read the stuff but it wasn't someplace tinfoily. Here's something recent:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304831304579542402390653932


Take every statement by someone possibly tied to domestic surveillance with a grain of salt, of course, but the (circumstantial) evidence is something like this:

- Snowden quit the CIA for private work in '08. He claims he was disillusioned and could have 'done extreme damage' to the intel community at that point, but didn't, because he thought Obama was going to clean it up. Whether any of that sounds plausible to you or not is up to you, but at some point he starts angling towards contractors and work that put him back in a similar community. Coincidence / simple area of expertise, mischief on his mind, knowingly or not being steered by foreign agents, who knows. Similar patterns of behavior have been seen with other people known to have been turned Russian agents.

- Like the article says, he pretty much starts stealing poo poo the first moment he can, with a pretty good idea of what he's looking for, and it's not domestic liberties related. Maybe this really was all his idea and it made sense to him for his objectives, maybe not. He also has an awful lot of passwords and backdoors from day one; maybe he's just that good, maybe the NSA is that bad, who knows.


Snowden actually wouldn't be the first Russian agent burned using a whistleblower smokescreen so again this fits a pattern, although those were much smaller-scale and I can't remember who they were

- His escape flight path makes little sense unless the intent was to leave him in Russia. (I don't know if I buy this, his escape path made little sense regardless.)

Finally it fits other patterns of recent Russian espionage attempts: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/have-you-heard-the-one-about-the-21st-century-russian-spy-ring/#.


I think there's decent (but again, circumstantial, at least the public stuff) evidence, but whether he was a straight up spy, a useful idiot, or a noble whistleblower has exactly zero bearing on whether the programs he exposed were morally and legally justifiable.

It's at least more interesting than the traitor/hero narrative that's been given. I'd have thought by now the spy narrative would have been pushed more strongly by current establishment figure-heads. Granted, if he was a foreign agent, it's not necessarily within the best interests of the administration to acknowledge that they think so immediately. I guess we'll all have to wait 30 years or so until they declassify those reports.

My gut instinct is to say that in terms of foreign actors, he was coincidentally an useful idiot. People do exceedingly dumb poo poo when they think they're taking a principled stand.

Best Friends posted:

How does the tech dude for a contractor get this much secret information. I'm a low level operations dude for a public company and I would get investigated and canned long before I saved that much corporate information. There is clearly a problem with data access ability going on there.

Really, really bad practices. Between Manning and Snowden I'm not sure how people haven't figured out just how bad it was.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

If you really want to talk 'McCarthyesque' here's something current eventy that's a lot more concrete than bronyhunting

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/24/operation-choke-point/


Even disregarding the constitutionality of this, this strikes me as one of those Pandora's boxes people are really, really going to wish was kept shut once control of the Executive flips over to a party they don't like.

that article is bogus and you know it

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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I clicked through most of the links just to be sure I didn't miss anything, and normally I'm willing to give you a pretty fair shake, but nothing in any of cited articles from the WaPo poo poo leads me to believe that FDIC or IRS or anyone else is involved in some shady stamp-out-the-entities-we-don't-like kind of operation.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Full Battle Rattle posted:

I've heard of people in pornography having to switch banks suddenly when the banks figure out what they do.

That's as old as the porn industry and not related to some government conspiracy to enforce morality via the banks.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Obama Africanus posted:

The feds legit gently caress with the banking of state level legal weed outfits.. There's all kinds of hosed up banking involving cashiers checks and check cashing that has to go on for these businesses to keep their poo poo together banking wise, and it's going to make collecting all that sweet sweet ganja revenue even more of a pain in the rear end.

If the feds just levied like a 2% tax on all sales or some poo poo and let the states figure it out, we'd probably fix a lot fiscal problems, empty quite a few jails of expensive inmates related to weed, and probably save a ton of time and money and effort going after pot when we could be stamping out heroin and meth.

I'm not saying there is a morality cabal going on, I'm not that involved or informed on that whole thing, but I do know that weed guys get hosed in banking. And that there's a lot of potential for good in legalization and taxation of the market.

But it won't happen because.. reasons. I think it's interesting that while the Obama administration yanked the leash on the DOJ from going after the weed industry in the states, they didn't really do anything to change the way the banking industry handles them, or prosecuting RICO type poo poo once weed businesses had established large financial networks.

DOJ issued some poo poo allowing banks in CO to deal with dispensaries/retail outlets to avoid too many nasty situations. I don't keep close track of the weed industry because I don't really care, so I have no idea if the memo they put out means anything, or they're gonna do like they did in CA.

Regarding Snowden's article, it's really a scare piece that I could almost empathize with. I can't, and won't because while I don't like "governmental overreach", I'm not about to equate people being told not to violate interstate commerce laws (ammunition, tobacco) and a couple of porn stars getting their bank accounts shut down to massive governmental tampering with the free market because I'm not a wacko libertarian.

Banks are free to discriminate who they do and don't do business with in terms of business accounts as much as they want, and the government is free to regulate interstate commerce.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

It's those damnable Koch brothers and their despicable right-wing agenda of gay marriage and pot legalization

KKS has a point in that the link to that FDIC list of activities wasn't really explained. It comes from here:
http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/financial/2013/fil13043.html

... which is essentially the guidance for Choke Point, where it is listed as a footnote. That doesn't actually mean they're going after everything in that rather vague list, or certainly not at least with equal vigor. (I'll go ahead and say that gun stores and online ammo sellers have been complaining about hassles with their credit card processors long before this and it's hard to find any real evidence of federal tampering among plenty of just poor business management combined with a heaping helping of tinfoil hattery.)

He also has a point that DOJ can regulate interstate commerce. It can do so by prosecuting what it sees as illegal activity in the courts, as in the example of the Four Oaks case. That's not what people are complaining about. In fact, it's exactly what they're asking DOJ to do:


So the question isn't whether the banks can pick and choose who they do business with in a free market, it's whether they can be told who to do business with, or be plunged themselves into lawsuits where the costs of the suits themselves may far exceed any potential fines, if any. It's the chilling effects that are the real damage.

Note this article which is far more skeptical of an actual link between the anti-alternative banking program and any real or imagined anti-porn or anti-gun stuff:
http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/12/operation-chokepoint-free-speech-concern

E: It's also worth pointing out that nothing at all in these claims suggest any 'vice' industries (ammunition, tobacco) are breaking interstate commerce laws with their product, i.e. shipping ammo to where it's not legal, etc. The claim is that these industries are especially susceptible to, and/or encouraging, credit card fraud. E2: I reread it and that's not right. In fact it's even more unclear why ammo, tobacco, coins etc are on that list. Those are potentially useful items for credit card fraud because they resell on the secondary / black market at such high relative value, but that's not what any of the FDIC stuff seems to suggest the program is for. Obviously there are more effective and direct ways of dealing with ammo / tobacco etc dealers (and the US Mint, I guess) if they're shipping products illegally.

Likely because, for instance, buying tobacco in one state and shipping it to another has some nasty implications legally, and, iirc, has mostly been shut down.

Anyway, my main gripe was with the WaPo article itself which used a bunch of different stories with very tenuous connections to Chokepoint. It's not that I don't believe the government would ever do things to tamper with it, it's that I'm skeptical and the WaPo article, nor it's own citations do anything to support the idea.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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hey i actually agree with veins. cool lets touch tips veins

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Courthouse posted:

You can still have non-personal statistics on race. It's the part where it's tied to persons on a government census that has previously not turned out too terribly well for some of us.

Sucks to be you, try being born right (white) next time, idiot bitch.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:

Dude-fuckin owns

:gay:

you and n4i should hook up, you could wear your roller skates

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Zeroisanumber posted:

I didn't hear that. I heard that he drew down on the husband and got blindsided by the wife without firing a shot.

he was lectured by the wife about his wrongs and finally succumbed to her good logic and reason and turned the gun upon himself, which is why they draped his body with a don't tread on me flag, a sign of ultimate respect amongst free men on the land

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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50 Foot Ant posted:

Countdown till people start talking about how we 'abandoned our allies in Iraq' because of... well... whatever.

It'll all be blamed on the US.

why would there be a countdown that started years ago

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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chemosh6969 posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Arabs don't fall into the Negroid or Mongoloid race. You can also piss off SJWs by suggesting that people from Mexico and/or Spain are white.

you can actually piss off SJWs by pointing out caucasoid/negroid/mongoloid like really bad so

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

wasnt gdamerican threatening people with probations for using the word haji? or was that vas i forget

probably both since they wereb oth trtemendous faggots

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Some of it is probably partially a civil service problem as well. There aren't enough people to do the job, and it's really fuckin hard to fire the ones that are there, but not doing the job well.

Management can only do so much in the latter situation. You can't force someone to care, and even if you could just fire all the people that are barely pulling their weight, you're now stuck with a lot less people doing the same job.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Cole posted:

That video is like three years old

just loving kills yourself you little dweeb

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

quote:

Netanyahu will look indecisive and confused, because he has to deal with an openly hostile U.S. administration on one side and his nationalist camp on the other.

lmao ok

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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I get you're one of the chosen so you're operating under israel being established by heavenly mandate and all, but theres a huge leap from where we are now where the US isn't exactly playing with the kid gloves with Israel and "openly hostile"

to say the least they aren't credibly threatening to yank support and until something like that does happen I'd say you couldn't call any interaction between the US and Israel particularly hostile

jammin benyamin and BHO not gettin along and people in the admin just saying what everyone else is thinking (because they're not really aware of the root issues, sure) isn't "openly hostile", and neither is taking israel to task for basically not trying very hard (I don't blame them, personally, but if I were god-king of israel I'd smash palestine thoroughly). but either way the whole situation is gay and I really hope the plutonium japan is missing ends up delivered to bethlehem

suck my dick yahweh whatever yolo

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

The Executive only has some control over the funding side of support, Congress's power of the purse takes precedence in this case. It's not like we're backing them up with airstrikes, or even putting our own AA systems in play like we did in '91. Excluding direct military action the most concrete thing the executive has to offer comes in the form of the UN veto power. Beyond that it's speeches and rhetoric, and that hasn't been friendly.

I mean yes we're not straight-up bombing Tel Aviv ourselves, but we're not bombing Moscow either and I wouldn't put them in the 'support / not hostile to' column

Speaking of Congress and power of the purse:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140628/DEFREG04/306280020/Congress-Moves-Halt-Palestinian-Funding

I am very well-aware of how the appropriations system works bud, but thanks for the lesson. I disagree with you because I don't have vested interests in Israel, not because I don't understand nuance.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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trap sprung :can:

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Otto Skorzeny posted:

I and everyone else in the world knows the Romans didn't make up the term Palestine out of whole cloth (and if you'd bothered to read that fragment of Ovid's Fasti, you'd realize the Ottomans weren't the first to use the term for a wider geographical region); regardless, that's the proximate place the Brits got the word from. You were wrong in assuming they were making their own pun about the Philistines to spite the Jews.

Wrt. "Jesus", the Romans aren't the ones to blame for that - "IESV" and its various declensions as pronounced by a first century speaker of vulgar Latin isn't pronounced much differently than the original Aramaic. The "J" sound and the vowel changes came about due to the same Tudor sound shift in English that rendered the tetragammaton as "Jehovah".

well according to Snowdens Secret the "administration" is currently being outwardly and overtly hostile toward Israel and jews so I mean I don't think it's a major leap of logic here to assume that anything he posts re: israel/the jews/palestine is disingenuous at best


anyway i/p poo poo is gay let's talk about something cooler

e: otherwise I'm gonna turn on the lights in here and watch the jews skitter away like cockroaches

pyf yahweh

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Godholio posted:

It's an excuse to drink and act like an rear end in a top hat. What's not to love?

so is being white, american


whip the only way to end the i/p gayness is to gas the jews. probably the mudmen too

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

And you people defend these monsters

not defending israel is not the same thing as defending the mud men

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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if anything were to be modified it's likely the voice recorder which I believe captures radio as well, so if the rebels didn't try to warn them off several times or the plane ID'd itself as a civil aircraft and then the rebels fired anyway :shrug:

telemetry wouldn't be that important to modify because crash reconstruction is gonna show that a missile disabled the plane, causing it to crash

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Mustang posted:

The world sure is going to poo poo this year, glad I was born in America.

well rick perry or kyle petty or whoever is the governor of texas mobilized the txng to the border apparently so we're not out of this bucket of syrup yet


although it probably wasn't for any real reason

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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I thought this wasn't going to be an I/P thread anymore

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

KKS trigger warning: tangentially related to I/P

http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-turkey-trade-insults-over-gaza/


The AP article below takes a slightly different angle from the AFP artice quoted above:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/egypt-warns-turkey-of-worsening-relations-1406396932


Interesting to see Egypt and the Arab League splitting so publicly with the Hamas-Qatar-Kerry-Turkey axis over this issue

this kind of stuff doesn't bother me because it's actually interesting and not just you jerking off about yahweh and the plight of the jews

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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is there an ISIS in the US? tbqh if the dumbass euro touchy feely types want to welcome cultural beheadings and other dumb bullshit associated with the mudmen then w/e

e: no the retards in miami don't count because there are a lot of white people in florida that also yell death to the jews

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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chemosh6969 posted:

the #Pentagon confirms delivery of two types of munitions to #Israel in the last week: 120mm mortar rounds and 40mm grenades, while calling for a ceasefire in #Gaza

#OpenlyHostileToIsrael

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krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

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Otto Skorzeny posted:

Interesting jury instructions if the reporter is recounting them accurately.

really? are you surprised that people are dumb enough to not realize they're sitting on a libel/slander case rather than an assault/battery case?

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