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K. Waste posted:I think it's telling that Aronofsky chose to not use much apocrypha or pseudapocrypha from what I can tell. There's some articles from earlier in the thread that may dispute this. The snake skin and angels as presented are specifically from Jewish apocrypha/gnosticism.
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Thwomp posted:There's some articles from earlier in the thread that may dispute this. The snake skin and angels as presented are specifically from Jewish apocrypha/gnosticism. Apocrypha isn't necessarily specifically gnostic, and the article that was posted before was followed up immediately by one that pointed out that it was predicated on some fairly faulty scholarship. It's not like there's no elements of gnosticism in the film - Tubal-Cain is a gnostic; he sees creation as being the evil creation of a perpetually false god. But like Noah in his fetishism of nature over mankind - failing to internalize that there is no delineation between to the two - Tubal-Cain's gnosticism is a mortal self-bastardization that absolves him from truly looking and knowing the perfection of life. When I talk about apocrypha, I don't mean Jewish mysticism or commentary, which are canonical. I specifically mean those myths which are not considered canonical. Again, Tubal-Cain is the most prominent apocryphal figure in the story, as he appears in alternate myths of the flood as a similarly despotic wretch. But, again, his appearance in the film specifically uses mythology to affirm the Torah rather than 'expose' it. On the subject of the luminescence of Adam & Eve and the use of the serpent's skin in ritual, this is not contradictory of midrash, which seems to be the primary inspiration of a lot of Aronofsky's ideas. The demonology of Judaism really isn't comparable to Christianity, where it's primarily accepted that any association with demons is wholly negative. In Jewish folklore, demons are much more ambiguous figures, as they are not only controlled by God, but are born from man, and can be used by him just as they both spiritually and physically corrupt him: quote:The spirits of demons were created on the eve of the sixth day, but before their bodies were formed the Sabbath set in, when rest was proclaimed, and their formation was not consummated. A basic concept of Genesis midrash is that the way humans appear now how they always were, and, quite the contrary, humans now more closely resembles demons than they do God. This is not gnosticism. It reaffirms the perfection of God and man's special agency over himself.
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Yeah, I'm very Gnostic and believe me I was looking for Gnostic stuff in the film but there really isn't any. Not even all Gnostics believe the God of the OT was evil so that's not really a definite "Gnostic" point either.
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Aug 30, 2014 02:36
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I just wanted Moses to talk to a crow that accuses him of trying to bone his bird wife. All my intellectual defenses are facetious.
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Aug 30, 2014 02:43
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I just realized after thinking about the lack of nephilim in the film, that the pollution and desolation of the earth is the metaphorical stand-in, being wrought of the mental joining of the grigori and mankind.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:14
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I still think this movie is one of the best films of the year and while I'm glad that other great films (Gone Girl, Boyhood) are probably going to be recognised I'm a little sad that this is going to be looked over at Awards season.
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Oct 25, 2014 08:34
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I still think this movie is one of the best films of the year and while I'm glad that other great films (Gone Girl, Boyhood) are probably going to be recognised I'm a little sad that this is going to be looked over at Awards season. It's definitely still in my top ten. Awards season is always a disappointment, so there's really no point in engaging it except to mock it ruthlessly.
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Oct 25, 2014 17:38
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There have been so many good movies in TYOOL 2014 it's legit easy to forget about this one, since it already feels like a year since I saw it.
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Oct 26, 2014 19:13
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I have an alternate explanation for why it was easy to forget about this movie. Stay tuned!
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Oct 26, 2014 20:46
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I just remembered Robocop 2014 and now I feel bad for it. It tried. 
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Just got back seeing this: Well, they did a lot of poo poo wrong when it comes to the fundamentalists. Not paying lip service to them, specifically, will earn you a huge negative response from them, especially when you try to fit evolution in.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:16
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Harime Nui posted:I just remembered Robocop 2014 and now I feel bad for it. It tried. It succeeded.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:17
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Just saw this last night, and was expecting to be either bored or dislike it, and was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was awesome, something about the delivery just hit all the right notes with me, and it's the first time I've liked Russell Crowe in anything since LA Confidential. And the visuals were just incredible. And I will never get over the contrast between Clint Mansell doing scores like this and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36nWNAvtwrw&t=41s
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I have an alternate explanation for why it was easy to forget about this movie. Stay tuned! Well?!!? This movie is awesome. I'm not done yet but it's so beautiful and interpreted so interestingly. Didn't Ridley Scott want to make a movie about Genesis or another part that I can't remember?
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Gatts posted:Well?!!? This movie is awesome. I'm not done yet but it's so beautiful and interpreted so interestingly. He made an Exodus movie with Christian Bale as Moses and Joel Edgerton as the Pharaoh. It loving sucked.
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Blast Fantasto posted:He made an Exodus movie with Christian Bale as Moses and Joel Edgerton as the Pharaoh. "But, the economic impact alone!" A serious line from the Pharaoh of Egypt, folks Exodus is everything wrong with Ridley Scott's filmmaking distilled into one abysmally long movie You can see the teethmarks on the script while you're watching it
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