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Purple is a great album but my favourite is Tiny Music...Tales from the Vatican Gift Shop. That was when they really started to move away from the grunge association,
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Say what you want about Scott Weiland but I LOVE Contraband by Velvet Revolver. I think the ex members of GnR were more kindred spirits for Weiland, musically. I have listened to both albums so many times it's ridiculous n I like Contraband just as much as Appetite for Destruction. I really like Heart's cover of Ring Them Bells by Bob Dylan that is a duet between Anne Wilson and Layne Staley. Really Pretty Song.
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I'm going to vote Mad Season's River of Deceit as the best song from that genre. Personally I always liked the period of alternative music before grunge broke. Which have more in common with Nirvana's sound than any of the other grunge bands. SST was full of proto-grunge bands. Daydream Nation was a great album. The Pixies were wonderful. But these bands had things in common with Nirvana and very few other grunge bands. The labeling of what is grunge bothers me. Jane's Addiction is one of my favorite bands. They meet the criteria, but don't typify the sound. Drug addicts making music influenced by punk, Zeppelin, and esoteric weirdness. But they aren't grunge. Nirvana sound nothing like most of the other bands lumped in with them and had the same complaint and question that I have. What is grunge? Yeah, I know it's 20 years too late to ask that question, but I still don't know the answer.
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It's a made up label applied to bands from the Northwest that were all coming out on Sub Pop around the same time, with some additional usage on bands like Stone Temple Pilots that made very similar music to a few of them (mostly Pearl Jam). Also I highly recommend Grunge is Dead: The Oral History of Seattle Rock Music to anybody who's interested in exploring the scene beyond the big 4.
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I still agree with Cobain's assertion that Nirvana had virtually nothing in common with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, STP, or Alice in Chains. I'm not a big fan of grunge. However I do like Nirvana.
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God Of Paradise posted:I still agree with Cobain's assertion that Nirvana had virtually nothing in common with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, STP, or Alice in Chains. Well, duh? Nirvana were an indie punk/noise rock band where a bunch of the other "grunge" bands were post-Zeppelin heavy metal/hard rock bands.
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I don't think 'grunge' and 'alternative' are the same thing even though they were used like synonyms at the time. To me grunge was a very specific subset of the broader alternative movement.
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It was a catchy name used to market mainstream rock to teenagers. And scare parents, thus increasing record sales.
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I feel this belongs here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wF2DDyz2g
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Crackerman posted:i just wish they were doing it for Badmotorfinger too, no one ever talks about how excellent that album is. I wish they'd do the whole goddamn discography. Granted there were a few (and I do mean FEW) duds on Ultramega OK and Louder than Love, those albums were still loving great. Sadly, those were pretty well ignored because they never had a real blow-up hit. You wouldn't believe how many people were shocked when Superunknown was new and I mentioned that it was actually their fourth album. (Well, fifth if you want to count that pile of re-released EP's as an "album", but most people don't.) As for Stone Temple Pilots, I got into Core and Purple a lot at the time, but I ended up enjoying their later stuff more, particularly #4 and Shangri-La-Dee-Da. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Is early Smashing Pumpkins considered grunge? I'm not sure what the accepted limits of the genre are. Now that I think about it, didn't the heyday of shoegaze overlap with grunge? I got into a nostalgia trip for music from this era that I didn't necessarily like at the time and picked up some Screaming Trees a while back. I really like Sweet Oblivion, but what happened on Dust? All the religious stuff seemingly came out of nowhere.
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david_a posted:Is early Smashing Pumpkins considered grunge? I'm not sure what the accepted limits of the genre are. I was about to ask the same thing. I’d certainly say the first three albums fall into the really broad category that grunge seems to be, at least stylistically. Siamese Dream is also loving great. As for Stone Temple Pilots they’ve become more and more straight-up pop rock in recent years and I have no problem with it. I really liked the EP with Chester Bennington and I bloody hate Linkin Park. david_a posted:I got into a nostalgia trip for music from this era that I didn't necessarily like at the time and picked up some Screaming Trees a while back. I really like Sweet Oblivion, but what happened on Dust? All the religious stuff seemingly came out of nowhere. I think Lanegan found God somewhere. The last Mark Lanegan Band album is loaded with it too.
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Whether or not you like Linkin Park, Bennington can definitely sing, and his voice does suit the band a LOT better than I thought it would. I was pretty much sold the first time I heard him sing Dead & Bloated. e: Holy poo poo how did I not notice before... There was Soundgarden chat and THIS wasn't posted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRQCtFotgSU It's pretty unfortunate and even a little weird that the best song the band ever did was never actually on any of their albums. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Yeah I was real loving skeptical to say the least when I heard he was the new singer but then I saw a video of him doing a couple STP classics live and it was way better than I expected.
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david_a posted:Is early Smashing Pumpkins considered grunge? I'm not sure what the accepted limits of the genre are. There was a bit of cross-pollination, yes, but generally there was a big rift between the grungers, who had more punk and metal roots, vs the 4AD pop/wall of sound/washy guitar bands, who were way into 80's pop and 60's sounds. But they did mingle a bit - Soundgarden was a big fan of alt tunings and jangly resonances and stuff like that, Dinosaur Jr who moved pretty seamlessly from noise to riffs and back, so on. e: Sub Pop 200 was the first CD I ever bought. Try to find it. It's a great primer for the early 90s grunge/seattle sound and if you don't find yourself rifling through your closet for your Docs after listening, something ain't right.
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Fenrir posted:Whether or not you like Linkin Park, Bennington can definitely sing, and his voice does suit the band a LOT better than I thought it would. I was pretty much sold the first time I heard him sing Dead & Bloated. I won’t pretend my prejudice wasn’t entirely based on my dislike of Linkin Park, but I was converted as soon as I heard Out of Time and immediately went looking for them doing the old stuff on YouTube. Fenrir posted:e: Holy poo poo how did I not notice before... There was Soundgarden chat and THIS wasn't posted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRQCtFotgSU Even now sometimes I hear Chris Cornell’s voice and think ‘holy poo poo.’
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I gotta think that "Above" by Mad Season is the best "grunge" album out there. It's been mentioned, but it's my personal favorite, and it has everything: Layne Staley singing with his unique and amazing tortured sound and super depressing lyrics. Mark Lanegan doing what he does best. Before he got all weird I think. Mike McCready from Pearl Jam melting faces with noodley guitar solos. Barrett Martin from the Screaming Trees on drums. And some dude named "Baker" (John Baker Saunders) on bass. It's got a catchy radio single(River of Deceit), some heavy songs(X-Ray mind, Lifeless Dead, I don't know anything), a grimey blues song(Artificial Red, featuring some of Layne's best work IMO), and a sad but kind of hopeful ballad kind of song(Wake up). It even has a bitchin' 7 minute instrumental jam on it(November Hotel) featuring some badass noodley guitar solos and cool drums and bass. It hits every early 90s Seattle check point. Just about all the songs are depressing, and about drugs. Half the band died from drug overdose(Layne and John Baker Saunders). It's bleak as gently caress, really. It really sums up the whole Seattle drug fueled depressing but rocking vibe. Also the album art is rad, and was drawn by Layne Staley:  Also Lifeless Dead is an awesome song, and I will always love it because it's the first song I ever learned to play on a guitar  It sucks they never toured. I think they played a few shows in Seattle (one of which a live DVD was made, it's awesome). It sucks Layne turned into a heroin hermit without ever making a 2nd Mad Season record(or a 4th AiC album). But for it what it is, one album put out by a Seattle super group, it's pretty loving cool. Dirt fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Dirt posted:Mark Lanegan doing what he does best. Before he got all weird I think.
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Cheesus posted:Weird? His last album of covers, well that as a little different but just about everything he's done in the past decade has been gold. Working with Queens Of The Stone Age, The Gutter Twins and guesting with a bunch (the Breeders come to mind) are enough but his solo albums Bubblegum and Blues Funeral are phenomenal and I highly recommend them. Indeed. He never really went away. I saw him perform with the Twilight Singers in Austin, and seeing him slither up to the mike and growl out next to Dulli was one of the best live experiences ever.
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Dirt posted:Also the album art is rad, and was drawn by Layne Staley: I love this album. The first time I heard it I was 18 and a really rough personal place and it’s stuck with me forever. I don’t listen to it often because it’s actually kind of hard to, but the fact that it has that kind of influence on me even all these years later really says something about it. Mark Lanegan’s album with Duke Garwood that came out sometime last year is great too.
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Not just Nirvana, but surely some Nirvana. Like last night, a gig after the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame Awards. Multiple vocalists including: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCEr87IOAU Hope this show is released! 
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Henchman of Santa posted:Who's John? John McCauley from Deer Tick. The show last night (this morning?) was reportedly professionally filmed.
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Elrobot posted:E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r52rw78gaU Sedan. loving. Delivery. All the cred you'd ever need.
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Man, seeing J Mascis playing Drain You and School must have been absolutely loving mindblowing.
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Since Out of Time has been discussed and STP aren’t really part of the scene, what are people’s thoughts on the latest efforts from the remaining three of the biggest four bands of the genre? Pearl Jam seem to have really rejuvenated their love of music in the last few years. They really sounded like they were winding down with Binaural and Riot Act, then the self-titled album suddenly had all this energy that they appear to be maintaining. They’ve really embraced their status as a big stadium act and I liked Lightning Bolt a lot, probably more than Backspacer, despite the lame album title. Soundgarden surprised me with the quality of King Animal. Despite what I’d say are dud tracks (Attrition, Worse Dreams, Eyelid’s Mouth) it’s tighter and ballsier than Down on the Upside was, but doesn’t have the vast expanse that Badmotorfinger and Superunknown had. They make decent use of Chris Cornell’s rougher, older voice - I really like the awful crack he does on the chorus of By Crooked Steps (which should have been the title of the album). Alice in Chains last couple of albums I...don’t really know. I thought Black Gives Way to Blue was patchy with a few really good songs (especially the title song). Devil Put Dinosaurs here is more consistent but way too long and I really wish Cantrell would let Duvall actually be the singer for more than like two songs.
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Crackerman posted:Since Out of Time has been discussed and STP aren’t really part of the scene, what are people’s thoughts on the latest efforts from the remaining three of the biggest four bands of the genre? King Animal was pretty good but for me it was missing that big, aggressive, stomp your feet track like 4th of July or Slaves and Bulldozers. I think they were kind of going for that with Blood on the Valley Floor, and while it's a good song, it just isn't as heavy as it needs to be to get there. And I kinda like Attrition and Eyelid's Mouth, for me it's Been Away Too Long and Halfway There that are the real duds. I was actually pretty pessimistic when Been Away came out as the single, but luckily the rest of the album sat a lot better with me. I like AiC but Dinosaurs was definitely pretty uninspired. I like Duvall a lot and thought Black Gives Way was the band easing him in by letting him sing lead on about half the songs, but instead they went the other way with it, which is a little disappointing. Someone can correct me if I'm off on this, but I always thought Cantrell was the main songwriter for the band, even when Layne was around. It seems like his material is a lot better when there's another strong presence or influence on the music; when he's the only voice in the room it gets a little bland.
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The new Alice in Chains albums somehow manage to be more boring than Jerry Cantrell's solo albums. They're probably just too old now. It takes a pretty hosed up person to write Alice in Chains style music after 30 or so.
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Why the hell doesn’t Jerry Cantrell just make mournful acoustic music? That’s what he’s best at, especially now. I want another Jar of Flies.Curl_like_smoke posted:King Animal was pretty good but for me it was missing that big, aggressive, stomp your feet track like 4th of July or Slaves and Bulldozers. I It was Soundgarden but with the pop sensibilities that Cornell retained from Audioslave and doing a Bond theme. It wasn’t bad but it was lacking that genuinely dark, depressive edge. Crackerman fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Crackerman posted:Why the hell doesn’t Jerry Cantrell just make mournful acoustic music? That’s what he’s best at, especially now. I want another Jar of Flies. Or just resurrect Cardboard Vampyres. As long as he's not writing anything new, I think he'd be fine.
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Curl_like_smoke posted:King Animal was pretty good but for me it was missing that big, aggressive, stomp your feet track like 4th of July or Slaves and Bulldozers. I think they were kind of going for that with Blood on the Valley Floor, and while it's a good song, it just isn't as heavy as it needs to be to get there. And I kinda like Attrition and Eyelid's Mouth, for me it's Been Away Too Long and Halfway There that are the real duds. I was actually pretty pessimistic when Been Away came out as the single, but luckily the rest of the album sat a lot better with me. I agree with pretty much this whole post. In the case of Soundgarden, I tried but I couldn't get into King Animal. I really wanted to, because they were my favorite band of the late 80s/early 90s. It wasn't just the lack of a big song like you mentioned (and I even agree with the two you named - 4th of July, Slaves and Bulldozers are among my favorite songs of theirs, along with Birth Ritual, Nazi Driver and Gun) I'll try it again sometime, and maybe it'll sound better to me, but the first few times I played it, it just sounded... tired. Not the music and not the style, but the band itself. Not because they're old, but it sounds like they tried too hard. I'm hoping they stay together and do another album, and maybe it clicks better. I'm really hoping that the things I didn't like about King Animal turn out to be the band trying to get used to working together again, and they fix it. As for AIC, I actually liked Black Gives Way To Blue. Most of the songs are quite solid. It'll never be the same without Layne, but they made an album that really did capture the AIC sound as well as they could without him, and damned if I didn't like a lot of them. I also liked Duvall's singing. Devil, on the other hand, reminded me too much of the flop that was Cantrell's solo album. He cut Duvall (and the rest of the band, it would seem like) out too much and basically made another bad Boggy Depot. e: Also, I see that the Mad Season album is getting a whole lot of love in here. I never actually listened to it, I just remember that lovely song they used to play on MTV all the time (E: Apparently it was called River of Deceit) and thought I'd never like the album. Does it get better than that? Fenrir fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Man, seeing J Mascis playing Drain You and School must have been absolutely loving mindblowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=092bFcVqT5s If J played the whole set list, it would really have been like seeing Nirvana... but they got a bunch of women on stage instead, so whatever.
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Crackerman posted:Why the hell doesn’t Jerry Cantrell just make mournful acoustic music? That’s what he’s best at, especially now. I want another Jar of Flies. He and James Hetfield should quit their day jobs and tour as a country duo.
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I just noticed something. Why do so many sites/pages/tributes, even magazines, always say that no Nirvana song ever ended with a fadeout? Did not a single one of these idiots listen to Negative Creep? e: I guess Bleach doesn't count since they weren't famous yet? I don't know. I just remember seeing that quote in at least a few magazines (Spin, Rolling Stone) and several other places. What's weird about it is that it was said as if it was some sort of musical world record, a bizarre feat that no band before had ever accomplished... and they'd actually done it on their very first album. I think I first heard that almost 20 years ago and never really thought about it until now, because at the time I wasn't big into Nirvana and hadn't heard Bleach yet. You'd think the guys who write articles about bands would have done the homework, though. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Fenrir posted:e: Also, I see that the Mad Season album is getting a whole lot of love in here. I never actually listened to it, I just remember that lovely song they used to play on MTV all the time (E: Apparently it was called River of Deceit) and thought I'd never like the album. Does it get better than that? It’s arguably the peak of the genre along with Superunknown. Give it a chance.
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Crackerman posted:It’s arguably the peak of the genre along with Superunknown. Give it a chance. Hmm, that's a drat bold statement. I guess I'll have to listen to it now.
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River of Deceit is the softest song on there. The rest of it is Layne Staley’s ghost haunting your broken head.
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God Of Paradise posted:What is grunge? It's the stuff on your shower curtain: nasty, heavy, and dirty. The Seattle snobs probably say Gluey Porch Treatments is the defining album. And if it's clean and sparkly, then it ain't grungy.
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