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Fenrir posted:There was also some really good poo poo on that soundtrack. You mean like Pearl Jam's best song, State of Love and Trust? Man, I loved that soundtrack. That's how I first heard Mother Love Bone.
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Gary the Llama posted:You mean like Pearl Jam's best song, State of Love and Trust? Man, I loved that soundtrack. That's how I first heard Mother Love Bone. Alice in Chains was the bar band in the scene where they were in a bar. I feel like that was a bad movie though, but I don't really remember it honestly. Alice in Chains cameo is literally the only thing I remember from it.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:I dunno, I think J Mascis had always been too big of a dork to really be considered the proto-cobain. Paul Westerberg is probably a better candidate, at least vocally. I never listened to Dinosaur Jr but yea like I said I think Kurt listened to a lot more replacements than he let on.
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Dirt posted:Alice in Chains was the bar band in the scene where they were in a bar. There was also the Pearl Jam cameo, the Chris Cornell cameo (plus Soundgarden are doing "Birth Ritual" in an entirely different bar scene), the obligatory Cameron Crowe cameo, and a Tim Burton cameo because why not? That movie also had one of the best Pumpkins tracks ever. It's not really a bad movie for something that was probably trying to cash in on musical trend of the time. Like watching Friend's reruns, it is very much dated but it's not a terrible film.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Just got two tickets to the Nine Inch Nails/Soundgarden/Death Grips tour Ewww. That's like a Peanut Butter, ashtray, and Nutella sandwich.
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God Of Paradise posted:Ewww. That's like a Peanut Butter, ashtray, and Nutella sandwich. Yeah, Chris Cornell's voice just isn't what it used to be, and their post-reunion material is pretty uninspired.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:Yeah, Chris Cornell's voice just isn't what it used to be, and their post-reunion material is pretty uninspired. It's not like they're gonna be playing Animal King in full, it'll probably still own. In other news, here's a stream of King Buzzo's new solo acoustic album http://exclaim.ca/MusicVideo/ClickHear/king_buzzo-this_machine_kills_artists_album_stream And something amusing and related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Zuc83-IWI
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El Gallinero Gros posted:It's not like they're gonna be playing Animal King in full, it'll probably still own. Soundgarden has done many things, but owning I don't believe was ever one of them. This thread should be called, "Grunge: Yeah, mostly Nirvana."
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:Yeah, Chris Cornell's voice just isn't what it used to be, and their post-reunion material is pretty uninspired. King Animal was pretty good and they're touring for the 20th anniversary of Superunknown. I'm sure they know how to tailor a setlist. Plus if you've watched any of their live footage recently, his voice has recovered okay. I'm not expecting them to bust out Slaves and Bulldozers, but they're one of my favorite bands of all time so I'm not going to pass them up while they're still competent. Plus I enjoy both NIN and Death Grips (who don't really fit but whatever). God Of Paradise posted:Soundgarden has done many things, but owning I don't believe was ever one of them.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Why are you even posting in this thread? To post the Toadies album Rubberneck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RU58K7Oj8 Grunge was a weird genre. On one side you had SST-hardcore and Pixies influenced bands like Nirvana, The Toadies, Sonic Youth from that time period. I love that poo poo. Proto-grunge bands like Mission Of Burma too. Then you have the dark stripped down metal offshoots like Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. And then you had the garble-mouthed stoned songwriters in flannel like Pearl Jam and Screaming Trees. So really, none of the pieces really connect themselves. It's not bad really because it encompasses an ethos, hotbed cities, and a time period. Some music genre names are worse. Like I looked up "post-punk," the other day when the old lady was playing Joy Division. That genre title encompasses both 10,000 Maniacs and Throbbing Gristle. So it's not really anything, is it? God Of Paradise fucked around with this message at 11:18 on May 29, 2014 |
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It's really more of a scene then a genre (which I guess you cover by calling it an ethos). I like to think that post-punk has some sort of genre parameters but then Swans get that tag and I'm just confused. I'm used to metal where you can be a total fascist about genres and make everything as specific as possible.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It's really more of a scene then a genre (which I guess you cover by calling it an ethos). I like to think that post-punk has some sort of genre parameters but then Swans get that tag and I'm just confused. They came out of the New York no-wave scene. No-wave being the artsy nihilist underground counterpart to new-wave which was the popular arm of post-punk.
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God Of Paradise posted:To post the Toadies album Rubberneck. That could be a useful way of categorizing things, but that first category doesn't make a lot of sense. Nirvana was more-or-less the only major grunge band to display a noticeable Pixies influence, Sonic Youth predate grunge, and Toadies would be in the same category as Stone Temple Pilots, whatever you'd call that. quote:So really, none of the pieces really connect themselves. It's not bad really because it encompasses an ethos, hotbed cities, and a time period. Some music genre names are worse. Like I looked up "post-punk," the other day when the old lady was playing Joy Division. That genre title encompasses both 10,000 Maniacs and Throbbing Gristle. So it's not really anything, is it? You make it sound like you've never heard of post-punk outside of wikipedia.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:You make it sound like you've never heard of post-punk outside of wikipedia. Bad assumption. My argument was that Post Punk really is a meaningless title. An umbrella term. Like, what do Scratch Acid and REM have in common? Cabaret Voltaire and hosed Up? Nothing. So when you say "post-punk" as a descriptor, it doesn't mean poo poo. So if you said, I like post-punk, people wouldn't really know what you're talking about. A friend and I interviewed the Toadies in 1997. Baboon opened. Their lead singer said their favorite band was Mission of Burma. Their sound is much more like a Touch and Go or Subpop noise rock band than Stone Temple Pilots. But it's whatever. I like some bands people call grunge, like Nirvana. Others I don't. And I don't see the similarities. God Of Paradise fucked around with this message at 08:52 on May 30, 2014 |
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Post-punk bands sounding so disparate just reflects that it was a really diverse and creative movement, not that it's a meaningless term. They sound different but they're still all essentially arty, intellectual punk bands.
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The arguing over "what is grunge," which basically has gone on ever since "grunge" became a term, reminds me why I simply took to calling the era between 1990-1991 (Nevermind, Badmotorfinger, etc) and 1996 or so the "Grunge Era" because a lot of non-Seattle and non-hardcore stuff was popular then too. For instance I lived in Phoenix during the rise of Gin Blossoms and The Refreshments. Can't call them grunge right? But for me, they were played on the radio just as much as Pearl Jam, Nirvana, AIC, STP, 311, Rage, etc were during that era so I lump them all together and call the era itself "grunge" just so people get a sense of the approximate year range I'm referring to. Invented sub-genres are hard to keep track of.
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God Of Paradise posted:Bad assumption. quote:My argument was that Post Punk really is a meaningless title. An umbrella term. Like, what do Scratch Acid and REM have in common? Cabaret Voltaire and hosed Up? Nothing. So when you say "post-punk" as a descriptor, it doesn't mean poo poo. So if you said, I like post-punk, people wouldn't really know what you're talking about. That said, "grunge" was always a little iffy, imho, but post-punk had a fairly clear conceptual definition with common influences even if it resulted in a broad set of disparate sounding bands.
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Just a heads-up: the new remaster of Superunknown sounds like listening to the original CD on a 1996 portable CD player with the bass boost on through £7.99 headphones.
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Also, two tracks on the Deluxe edition that are not on the Super Deluxe edition.
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Why couldn’t they do what they did with Ten a few years ago? That was a great set.
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I don't get it either. Nevermind 20th was a brickwalled piece of poo poo while In Utero 20th was awesome. Is it really that hard to make a separate, over compressed masters for iTunes/Amazon MP3 and give those of us who prefer CD/Vinyl/high-def digital (HD Tracks) something decent?
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Crackerman posted:Just a heads-up: the new remaster of Superunknown sounds like listening to the original CD on a 1996 portable CD player with the bass boost on through £7.99 headphones.  I was kinda curious what they could do to make it better; wasn't the mid 90s basically the high-point of average CD sound quality? Ever since then we've been stuck in the Loudness War death spiral.
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If there was any album I own that I thought didn’t need a remaster it was Superunknown but I was really curious. Nope, ruined.
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Have you listened to the "DTS Headphone:X" version of Spoonman? They have an iOS app with that song free (apparently the only way to get the rest of the album in that format is to pony up for the $99 edition). It's... weird. The 11.1 thing actually works; there's a demo with the app that plays 11 distinct channels (although how this differs from binaural audio is beyond me). The song mix, though, is pretty strange. I guess it sounds closer to being "in the studio" or whatever but I thought it was fairly unsatisfying to listen to.
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I only have the single CD version. I was also hoping it’d come in a nice digi-pack or something but no. Looks like I’m sticking to my original CD. As an aside though, it’s reminded me how much I love Superunknown, it’s a phenomenal album.
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God Of Paradise posted:To post the Toadies album Rubberneck. I don't know that I (or have ever heard anyone) classify Toadies as Grunge BUT Toadies are absolutely amazing and are so underrated.
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So, about Toadies - Rubberneck... I see it was remastered this year; should I go with that or the original? I'm fairly wary of remasters since more often than not it seems to be a quality decrease.
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The great thing about the year 2014 is you can listen to both and then make a decision for yourself! It was also the great thing about the last 20 years give or take.
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I don't pirate music and YouTube would negate any quality differences.
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Bulging Nipples posted:I don't know that I (or have ever heard anyone) classify Toadies as Grunge BUT Toadies are absolutely amazing and are so underrated. They didn't during the time period. It seems the same lazy music journalists and critics who overuse Post Punk to incorporate bands after-the-fact like Throbbing Gristle, are now overusing the word Grunge, and are labeling the Toadies as a grunge band, along with Sebadoh, Everclear and any band of the era they need to conveniently pigeonhole. I've gotten flack in this thread for taking issue with overused genre-labeling, but I've written a lot of A&E articles professionally. This gives me a different perspective on the matter. Dumb motherfuckers left and right think they're Lester Bangs when they ain't even Lester the Unlikely. Tons of writers get delegated to music coverage when they know diddily poo poo about music, and I believe that's why you have things like The "90's Grunge Rockers" the Toadies, and the "Post-punk pioneers" Throbbing Gristle. But if you look at the artists influences, they'd tell a different story.
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david_a posted:I don't pirate music and YouTube would negate any quality differences. Well if you're such an audiophile it seems your decision was made for you.
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cf posted:Well if you're such an audiophile it seems your decision was made for you.  Only if the remaster is an actual improvement, which is, you know, what I asked before you helped.
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Oh, in that case it definitely is an improvement! It's the better choice and you'll be very happy listening to Toadies as an adult!
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God Of Paradise posted:They didn't during the time period. Influences like John Cage, The Velvet Underground, Neu! and The Stooges, for example, are all common to both Throbbing Gristle and post-punk.
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Everyone and everything shall be referred to as Marklar. It is the only way.
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david_a posted:So, about Toadies - Rubberneck... I see it was remastered this year; should I go with that or the original? I'm fairly wary of remasters since more often than not it seems to be a quality decrease. Just get Hell Below Stars Above instead. It's such a better album it's almost like it's a different band. One of my favorite rock records.
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I, as the resident grunge fuckhead, refuse to let this die. Here's one of the godfathers of grunge doing one of the best songs ever recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DweQEA1Z9Q0 ok yeah it's totally 80s butt rock but this is where it came from, god dammit. Don't make me post 200 soundgarden songs in here. e: and yeah it's not real grunge, I'm still not sure what real "grunge" is, but this poo poo owns. MLB owns, Soundgarden owns, and they were a whole lot better than "grunge" bands at the time. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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I don't know what people consider "grunge" to be these days. I was in college in Tacoma WA when a bunch of great Seattle bands started getting attention. 1988-1989 was when it started getting big. I'd started getting into Touch and Go bands like Killdozer and Big Black and Scratch Acid after listening to almost nothing but 4AD stuff for a few years then all of a sudden this great local stuff started appearing. Superfuzz Bigmuff by Mudhoney and God's Balls by TAD were both so different than anything else at the time (1988). Ultramega OK by Soundgarden came out that year too. I have almost all Sub Pop LPs and 7" singles up til 1993 or so.
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