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Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
I think you mentioned the "fed, or whatever" as enacting monetary policy, but taxes directly control how much money the private sector gets to play with. How exactly could strangecoin ever be used to discharge tax obligations? Is a currency really a currency if you can't pay taxes with it?

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Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

RealityApologist posted:

Part of the point of a system like strangecoin is that you wouldn't need corporations as distinct legal entities, since their function would be entirely redundant. Individual agents themselves are capable of forming spontaneous corporate structures simply by engaging in the transactions.
Do these spontaneous structures benefit from limited liability or are we not operating motor vehicles or attempting construction projects in this theoretical economy?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

eXXon posted:

Hi, my factory in Taiwan needs 10,000 tons of steel by Monday. Can you spontaneously collect a network of friends to spontaneously facilitate this transaction post-haste?
Sorry, Bill hit a cyclist while driving the work van so we're all in jail. Please make relationships for my commissary.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

Obdicut posted:

Or, more libertarianesque: "Yes, it's true that Bill was driving a truck because I was paying him (or whatever the gently caress the cognate of paying is in this stupid system) to do it but since liability doesn't transfer he's solely responsible for that accident."
In that case, "sorry, we got out of the steel business to start Break Into Your House and Take Your poo poo LLC."

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
So wait... every business is now a pyramid scam? Like I buy a candy bar from the corner store, and because I was the first customer everyone else pays me dividends?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

RealityApologist posted:

Right, and Strangecoin provides that kind of shield. Individuals don't assume full responsibility for their transactions; that responsibility is distributed across the network in quantifiable ways.

It doesn't provide immunity from legal responsibility, so in that sense it's different than the existing legal framework for corporations. Are we now defending the corporate legal structure in this thread?
If the liability of every crime in history was spread out evenly, how many years am I getting for using your money?

Why do you think worker owned cooperatives are indefensible?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

Slanderer posted:

All of this is pretty part of the course
Not trying to be pedantic, but it's par for the course.

Ok, so finally answer: how do you collect taxes, and why would a government ever accept currency that they did not originate?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

RealityApologist posted:

I'll have to admit to being a little shocked at the claim that people who aren't understood shouldn't be talking. It's a kind of discursive inhumanity. I'm a pompous intellectual, but the claim that people who don't understand shouldn't be talking is far beyond my tolerance for intellectual elitism. I have the exact opposite sentiment: let people speak whatever and however they can. No one has to listen, but if we have good filters we'll find the good bits worth echoing, and separate that from the noise.
Yea, gently caress music. I prefer static. It's not the musician's job to arrange sounds into a melody.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
How high are you right now?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
For the new page: how high are you right now exactly?

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
You're dodging the question, how high did you get to think that a theoretical construct that neither describes nor predicts anything nor solves a problem would garner support? For all the "it would model things that are hard to measure" it is modeling something that does not exist.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
How does the strangecoin differentiate between people who receive employment merely because of their relationship with someone in management, and people related to managers that received their position due to merit? Not that I believe employment would function under strangecoin.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
To be fair, Strangecoin could revitalize the synergy of nonlinear social networks and coordinate the gathering of neural network usage information in the 21st century assuming you had an economy without taxes, payrolls, finance, commodity trading, or commerce that also consists only of sole proprietorships liable for every other company they trade with.

edit: Seriously though, on a scale of Method Man at the Source awards to 5 alarm fire at the hash factory how stoned are you exactly?

Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Apr 1, 2014

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

Salt Fish posted:

Can you please clarify how btc is "utterly worthless" as a currency if you can trade it for goods and services?
If you use a more specific definition of currency than currency = money then it really isn't a currency. You can't use it to discharge public or private debt. Yes, you can trade it for things, but many things that are mediums of exchange aren't currency like poker chips.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
So the strangecoin identifies nepotism at the cost of enabling 3 people collaborating to generate infinite funds and we are the morons?

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Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
Doesn't the right to own trendy gadgets impede on the slaves who mine rare earth metals just a little bit? Tell them that losing your iphone is the same as losing an arm. I don't mean to concern troll, but if owning high tech toys is a protected class, then doesn't that mean that you are protecting the wealthy against those who labor to produce the goods?

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