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Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Based on this discussion, do you think drawing is a measure of greatness in 2019? Like you mentioned all those things that made a ton of money, but everyone knows they suck. In wrestling, you can talk about a great angle with great matches, but if it didn't draw, it sucks. The goal of pro wrestling is to make money to a lot of traditional fans.

I'm not sure myself. I know that New Japan made a ton of money in 2018, and received critical success, so it being a big draw matters. WWE had its best financial year ever, and now drawing doesn't matter. Who knows now

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Smoking Crow posted:

Based on this discussion, do you think drawing is a measure of greatness in 2019? Like you mentioned all those things that made a ton of money, but everyone knows they suck. In wrestling, you can talk about a great angle with great matches, but if it didn't draw, it sucks. The goal of pro wrestling is to make money to a lot of traditional fans.

I'm not sure myself. I know that New Japan drew huge in 2018, and received critical success, so it being a big draw matters. WWE had its best financial year ever, and now drawing doesn't matter. Who knows now

Here's the thing: WWE isn't drawing. Their house show and TV attendance, and the TV ratings are dropping. Their profitability has nothing to do with whether the product is good or working.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

WWE is more of a content farm than a wrestling promotion these days. There's a reason they care more about "hours watched on the Network" than actual Network subscriber numbers.

Big Dave
Nov 6, 2009

Friends don't shake hands, friends gotta hug!

https://twitter.com/ElRoberico/stat...648141564825601

protect the sanctity of aaa of all places

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


Changing the DNA of AAA by giving them the tag belts temporarily

Jeff Jarrett had their world title for 357 total days, I think they can survive this if they survived that

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012



Being a public company and having the network throws out a lot of the reasons thinking where something needs to be a draw because the only way to turn a profit is butts in seats. Their biggest income comes from tv deals and network subs, producing lots of content is honestly more important to them then producing great content.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

lol that dude got called out.

https://twitter.com/CultIcon/status/1107651574569021442
https://twitter.com/CultIcon/status/1107652322547646466
https://twitter.com/CultIcon/status/1107652627343527936

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Ozzy and Zakk

Did WWE really have their best year financially? Is the Network really working that well?

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

Hellblazer187 posted:

Did WWE really have their best year financially? Is the Network really working that well?

Guaranteed money from TV deals and foreign shows.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

WRAP IT UP NAITALURES
It is Zack Sabre Time, Now


Hellblazer187 posted:

Did WWE really have their best year financially? Is the Network really working that well?

Blood and Murdoch (Also Blood) Money.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

https://twitter.com/ElRoberico/stat...724647951421440

Rob isn't taking his L very gracefully.

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Ozzy and Zakk

Also did you see how empty the arena was? I think they might like to have a bit of a DNA change, if it means butts in seats.

I don't know that Cody and Bucks will mean that, but maybe.

Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010


I don't care much for the bucks or omega though there are a lot of omega matches that I like a lot but I really have to respect the fact that they have broken so many peoples brains.

this aew/aaa outrage lead me to this guys timeline and this tweet in particular

https://twitter.com/fxkdreaming/sta...721567981789185

which is funny considering not even 24 hours ago chris charlton tweeted this

https://twitter.com/reasonjp/status/1107466726428401664

now, Im not an accountant, but I dont think those profits during the 'Bob Sapp Era' (2002-2005) would be considered great financially. especially that big bar in 2004 that goes way into the negatives.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

HANG ME HORSEMAN

"This is why lucha libre can't have nice things."

cracked me up.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

can you read this. should i put this on my avterar

Straight edge nerd with a punk song in his heart.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.



Dude went private so he can go on anti-AEW rants in private where nobody can tell him he's wrong

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012




Big Hash is Chihiro not Shinya

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Ringo Roadagain posted:

I don't care much for the bucks or omega though there are a lot of omega matches that I like a lot but I really have to respect the fact that they have broken so many peoples brains.

this aew/aaa outrage lead me to this guys timeline and this tweet in particular

https://twitter.com/fxkdreaming/sta...721567981789185

which is funny considering not even 24 hours ago chris charlton tweeted this

https://twitter.com/reasonjp/status/1107466726428401664

now, Im not an accountant, but I dont think those profits during the 'Bob Sapp Era' (2002-2005) would be considered great financially. especially that big bar in 2004 that goes way into the negatives.

It's great how there are still people uncritical of the absurdly worked attendances and poo poo.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012



forkboy84 posted:

It's great how there are still people uncritical of the absurdly worked attendances and poo poo.

It'd great how one of them is Josh Barnett

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Ringo Roadagain posted:

which is funny considering not even 24 hours ago chris charlton tweeted this

https://twitter.com/reasonjp/status/1107466726428401664

now, Im not an accountant, but I dont think those profits during the 'Bob Sapp Era' (2002-2005) would be considered great financially. especially that big bar in 2004 that goes way into the negatives.

Pfft, since when has Chris Charlton been an expert on New Japan?

Wait, what? Oh.... Oh!

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007



Funny to see wrestling people are as dumb with hard numbers from New Japan as anime people are for Bushiroad numbers.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


The Holzerman is one of the dumbest and horniest people on twitter but uh, ok.

https://twitter.com/PunishedTH/stat...730062206058502

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Does it make it sexier if you imagine it being said in the Mr. McMahon voice

dsriggs
May 28, 2012

MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!


Vince would insist you use the term “penile excretion”, “cum” is too low-class.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011



dsriggs posted:

Vince would insist you use the term “penile excretion”, “cum” is too low-class.

from the man who brought you “steak wraps”,

Hopkins FBI
Jan 4, 2015


Dangerous Person
Apr 4, 2011

Not dead yet

Jesus

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000



future scoopin'...


Grimey Drawer

I'm not sure if it would be more funny to see Wrestlemania's entire 60,000+ Audience start booing and never stop all the way through to Kofi's victory, or to see Trump's poll plummet for helping a black man.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/...910930375114753

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



While it makes for funny content for this thread, Dave probably should learn not to respond to "RKOHEELCENA" types.

AkumaHokoru
Jul 20, 2007



Sanguinia posted:

, or to see Trump's poll plummet for helping a black man.

Stephen miller would never let him do this.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you


Aphrodite posted:

While it makes for funny content for this thread, Dave probably should learn not to respond to "RKOHEELCENA" types.

No, Dave getting into the muck with any random idiot who messages him is part of his charm!

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA



I assumed this was the post about how "Vince should call Kofi the n-word" and then realized you'd posted something that might be crazier. I don't even know.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


This dude is so horny 24/7.

https://twitter.com/tholzerman/stat...522924342095873

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM

Fun Shoe

idk what that means

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

He wants the women to scissor for a few minutes to open the match, but act as though it's a submission maneuver.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

WRAP IT UP NAITALURES
Breathe With the Switchblade


Please don't doxx me

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM

Fun Shoe

Pope Corky the IX posted:

He wants the women to scissor for a few minutes to open the match, but act as though it's a submission maneuver.
yikes

Rarity posted:

Please don't doxx me
YIKES

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Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em

Pillbug

Dwayne Johnson Criticized by White Fans After Sharing BET Post

https://www.ebony.com/news/dwayne-j...nstagram-posts/

quote:

Do you see the hatred and evil you bring out by posting something like this, Ive been a huge fan of yours and have been since your wrestling days , but you fueling a fire with a post like this that’s helping divide this country into a race war. You might have just lost a fan.

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