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Wrestling is sirius bizness
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May 27, 2020 16:18
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Anyone who does't recognize that wrestling is silly is an idiot. Yes, within that silliness there's the room for compelling narratives and emotional content that really can touch you. But it's all just pretend fighting that spend 80 years pretending very loudly to not be pretend.
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May 27, 2020 16:43
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Didn't Ric Flair literally show his rear end on the reg back when he was on the top of the mountain?
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May 27, 2020 16:54
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Ric Flair: woo someone in the crowd: boo fake
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May 27, 2020 17:56
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Cerebral Bore posted:Didn't Ric Flair literally show his rear end on the reg back when he was on the top of the mountain? Flair would go out of his way to make people look good, up to and including getting his tights pulled down. Bob Holly wrote about how Flair was the first big name guy to give him a chance to look good in a match, even though he had no need or reason to, considering he was supposed to be a jobber there to get smacked around to make others look good at that time in his career.
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May 27, 2020 19:33
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Hellblazer187 posted:Anyone who does't recognize that wrestling is silly is an idiot. Yes, within that silliness there's the room for compelling narratives and emotional content that really can touch you. But it's all just pretend fighting that spend 80 years pretending very loudly to not be pretend. Wrestling is a narrative form. It isn't any more inherently ridiculous than ballet or theater. "It's just grown men playfighting in their underwear bro" is an incredibly lazy cop out to avoid critically thinking about the medium
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May 27, 2020 19:45
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Cerebral Bore posted:Didn't Ric Flair literally show his rear end on the reg back when he was on the top of the mountain? ric flair sold for madusa in an intergender match and made her look good how many other guys of that generation would sell for a woman let alone put her over
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May 27, 2020 19:47
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Ballet and theater have good music, which is more than can be said for WWE's output in at least the last 8 years (when was the Deuce & Domino tag theme? 12 years ago?)
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May 27, 2020 20:21
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I think Poppy was the most cutting edge musical artist to work with WWE in the last 20. And even then they used her jokey angst song with a straight face.
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May 27, 2020 20:28
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Yeah, wrestling is only inherently silly if you're going to make the argument that pretty much all stage fighting is inherently silly. To me personally wrestling is theater in the round and one of the most interesting performance arts out there. It's an art form that not only asks you to imagine those few hours in the arena as real but to imagine it all as real. That the performer off the stage is the same as the character on it. Wrestling asks you to connect with the characters in a way that is very different from other types of theater and performance in a way that doesn't have to be silly.
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May 27, 2020 21:08
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coconono posted:I think Poppy was the most cutting edge musical artist to work with WWE in the last 20. And even then they used her jokey angst song with a straight face.
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May 27, 2020 21:12
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They should go back to Limp Bizkit.
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May 27, 2020 21:20
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NXT was the first place Judas was heard, I think.
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May 27, 2020 21:21
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, wrestling is only inherently silly if you're going to make the argument that pretty much all stage fighting is inherently silly. I'd be willing to make that argument, but only really because all fighting is inherently silly. Your vision of wrestling as an art form feels the very correct.
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May 27, 2020 21:50
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Chris James 2 posted:Ballet and theater have good music, which is more than can be said for WWE's output in at least the last 8 years (when was the Deuce & Domino tag theme? 12 years ago?) STS did the Prime Time Players theme 8 years ago and Sugar Tongue Slim is art
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May 27, 2020 21:52
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coconono posted:I think Poppy was the most cutting edge musical artist to work with WWE in the last 20. And even then they used her jokey angst song with a straight face. They had Code Orange who are very good. Maybe not cutting edge in the sense of pushing boundaries, but I don't think Poppy really is either. There's a time & place for dumb angsty metal & lets be real here, wrestling is one of those.
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May 27, 2020 23:14
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forkboy84 posted:They had Code Orange who are very good. Maybe not cutting edge in the sense of pushing boundaries, but I don't think Poppy really is either. Yeah I guess multimedia artist with an elaborate metaverse isn’t really that cutting edge anymore.
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May 27, 2020 23:26
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coconono posted:Yeah I guess multimedia artist with an elaborate metaverse isn’t really that cutting edge anymore. Someone should get Bal-Sagoth to do their entrance theme Dimebags Brain fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 23:43
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coconono posted:Yeah I guess multimedia artist with an elaborate metaverse isn’t really that cutting edge anymore. If that's what her deal is, it definitely didn't come across during the show. All I saw was a band come out and play a song.
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May 27, 2020 23:48
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coconono posted:Yeah I guess multimedia artist with an elaborate metaverse isn’t really that cutting edge anymore. Is that what she is? I thought she was just a Youtuber with a music career because that's how the world works now a days. I mean fair enough if that's what you're into but I just listen to music for the music like the out-of-touch old fart that I am.
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May 28, 2020 00:06
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https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1264704446791065606 whats this dumbass poo poo even supposed to mean?
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May 28, 2020 01:35
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They keep thinking there's a conspiracy theory behind why Kylie Rae isn't in AEW anymore, despite her herself repeatedly saying she didn't leave because of anyone "Something terrible happened to someone and everyone is covering it up" is more of a juicy story than "she's pretty shy and felt more pressure than she felt comfortable with among that large of an audience", but that doesn't mean it's more believable
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May 28, 2020 02:00
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Ringo Roadagain posted:https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1264704446791065606 https://twitter.com/TheRiottKick/status/1264704811414573057?s=20 We all know stardom pays fumi off
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May 28, 2020 02:10
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Ringo Roadagain posted:https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1264704446791065606 So it's bad that no one reported on Kylie's bullying but also bad that reporters reported Hana's bullying? Huh, ok.
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May 28, 2020 02:14
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Ringo Roadagain posted:https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1264704446791065606 She's talking about Dave mentioning the suicide method, which isn't really what he should have done but he was far from the only person to do so and not even the first to do so even in English. She and her friend spent like half a day arguing and quote tweeting people about it. It felt pretty gross to me at the time like they were using the whole tragedy as a cudgel to feel morally superior and grind that axe that everyone seems to have with Meltzer so I blocked them both.
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May 28, 2020 02:21
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Smoking Crow posted:https://twitter.com/TheRiottKick/status/1264704811414573057?s=20  “Grrr Dave is always putting New Japan over, Bushiroad MUST be paying him off!” “Ugh, Dave isn’t going down a conspiracy rabbit hole. Must be because Bushiroad isn’t paying him off...”
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May 28, 2020 02:55
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May 28, 2020 03:48
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Low Desert Punk posted:Wrestling is a narrative form. It isn't any more inherently ridiculous than ballet or theater. "It's just grown men playfighting in their underwear bro" is an incredibly lazy cop out to avoid critically thinking about the medium I've probably done more thinking about wrestling than any other subject in my life. The conclusion I draw is that it's silly. And that's OK. Silly doesn't mean bad. Silly does mean you shouldn't get all in a huff when it's not serious enough.
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May 28, 2020 04:25
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Ok, I can agree with that definition. It doesn't have to be serious in the same way it doesn't have to be silly and there is no reason to be mad that either exists.
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May 28, 2020 04:31
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Chris James 2 posted:They keep thinking there's a conspiracy theory behind why Kylie Rae isn't in AEW anymore, despite her herself repeatedly saying she didn't leave because of anyone GEORGE W BUSHI posted:She's talking about Dave mentioning the suicide method, which isn't really what he should have done but he was far from the only person to do so and not even the first to do so even in English. She and her friend spent like half a day arguing and quote tweeting people about it. It felt pretty gross to me at the time like they were using the whole tragedy as a cudgel to feel morally superior and grind that axe that everyone seems to have with Meltzer so I blocked them both. EDIT AGAIN: It looks like the police did the thing where they put out details without linking the details to the person but it was obvious it was her? I can't find any timestamps as to whether that or Kyoko Kimura's press conference came first, but if the police didn't actually release the info as details surrounding Hana's death, then nobody should report it that way. davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:52 on May 28, 2020 |
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May 28, 2020 05:06
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It was public because I ended up coming across it on like Yahoo Japan or something.
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May 28, 2020 05:44
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Neodoomium posted:It was public because I ended up coming across it on like Yahoo Japan or something.
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May 28, 2020 05:54
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I mean hell, they're already competing for eyes with outlaw mudshows, might as well go with it. And also seriously, its Dave Meltzer, so we should know the drill by now. He isn't doing this poo poo to be mean spirited, he just word vomits sometimes. coconono fucked around with this message at 05:58 on May 28, 2020 |
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May 28, 2020 05:56
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davidbix posted:Yeah, I think you replied right as I edited again, but from what I'm seeing the police didn't explicitly say that Hana Kimura was the person in that prefecture who died in this specific suicide? (It also seems like her mom's press conference asking that nobody report the method got almost no English language traction, which is unfortunate.) I think you're seeing that right. People just saw the police report and put two and two together. Like, it's almost assuredly what happened but Kyoko specifically asked for people to not dig deeper and ultimately what does it matter?
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May 28, 2020 06:01
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Yeah don't go against Kyoko. That woman is dangerous in the best of times.
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May 28, 2020 06:03
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Kyoko's request for the media not to harass Stardom officials or the police came after WOR was released. I think the media were trying to interview the neighbours because one of the neighbours told them that Hana left a warning on her door and that's how they corroborated it. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 06:10 on May 28, 2020 |
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May 28, 2020 06:07
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Kyoko's request for the media not to harass Stardom officials or the police came after WOR was released.
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May 28, 2020 06:51
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I think Dave is probably repeating what the Japanese media outlets were saying (who also shouldn't have gone into the method either). I don't think there's any need to report the grisly details like that. BUT I think weaponising someone's death to go after a wrestling journalist you hate is worse.
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