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19LettersLong
May 8, 2011

...let's just put this away.


(Thanks to our friend Courtney Stevens for the artwork.)


10/14/14
Part 41

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Back by popular demand! Like a Digimon, this thread can never truly die; it can only be reborn in a new, more powerful form. We've returned to this obtuse motherfucker of a game after a year away. Luckily, digi-parenting is like riding a bike. And by that, I of course mean that you forget everything and need the internet to remind you.

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Digital Monster, or Digimon, was Bandai's boy-targeted follow up to their massively successful Tamagotchi virtual pet. Just like Tamagotchi, Digimon was an electronic keychain toy with three buttons and an LCD screen that could display various monsters. If fed and cared for properly, these virtual pets would thrive and evolve into higher forms of digital life. If neglected, they would languish and die. Over and over and over again.



Where Digimon differed from Tamagotchi was the ability to connect two of the keychains together to allow the creatures inside to fight each other, a feature advertised in America as (get ready for this) "Dock 'n Rock technology." Yes.

From these cockfighting keychain toys came Digimon World for the Sony Playstation. It retained all of the creature raising simulation elements and branching evolutionary paths of the original virtual pet toy and placed them into the world of an RPG adventure game. Players travel across File Island making friends, vanquishing foes, and ensuring that all of their digimon buddy's excrement lands safely in a toilet.



Also, there's a meat farm.






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@sbiblin posted:


capslocksaurus posted:


Astroduck posted:

19LettersLong fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Oct 15, 2015

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Med School
Feb 27, 2012

Where did you learn how to do that?

I'm at the part where the disc wouldn't load, and I wanted to post.

Sartorius
Dec 30, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

I actually think HerculesKabuterimon is the best, because it's technically a Mega level (but an ultimate in this game), was hidden in the games PRIMA OFFICIAL STRATEGY GUIDE, and no one had a real idea how to get it until Orange Fluffy Sheep's LP where they looked at the game's code to figure out the requirements.

But I'm glad to see this back! Hopefully you guys get farther than my 5 year old self ever could (I already think you have)

19LettersLong
May 8, 2011

...let's just put this away.

Oh right, I forgot all about that whole deal with HerculesKabuterimon. But speaking of the Prima guide.... Is that any good? I feel like no one's ever told us to get it, so it can't possibly be, but is it? Anyone know?

Somethingdumb
Nov 19, 2011

Wicked grosso, dude

19LettersLong posted:

Oh right, I forgot all about that whole deal with HerculesKabuterimon. But speaking of the Prima guide.... Is that any good? I feel like no one's ever told us to get it, so it can't possibly be, but is it? Anyone know?

I feel like any info in there would just be in the online guides, right?

Med School
Feb 27, 2012

Where did you learn how to do that?

I didn't realize this game was made before the cartoon. When I was a kid I always wondered why it was so different. They still managed to make a pretty cool world for the game.

It would be cool to do a Monster Rancher game in the style of this game: where you have your main guy and the monster follows you around while you explore the Monster Rancher world and go find different tournaments and towns and stuff. One thing this and (the first couple) Monster Ranchers had is the difficulty. I never really got even as far as you in this game, but I wonder if it has lots of little cool secrets to find just like Monster Rancher 2.

Love those old games that didn't hold your hand.

Lizard Wizard
Dec 25, 2004

mep, mep


MentholsNBeer posted:

Love those old games that didn't hold your hand.

This is probably why I liked Digimon World 2 better. I'd be curious to hear how K&K feel about DW2, though.

MentholsNBeer posted:

Monster Rancher

Dammit, now I want to see them play Monster Rancher.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.


19LettersLong posted:

Oh right, I forgot all about that whole deal with HerculesKabuterimon. But speaking of the Prima guide.... Is that any good? I feel like no one's ever told us to get it, so it can't possibly be, but is it? Anyone know?

It's certainly better than flying blind, but it took people years to figure out how this crazy game worked for a reason. You're better off with GameFAQs.

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007



Well that was impressive timing. This just popped into my head for no apparent reason the other day. Something about lemons.

Also I hope you did decide to go for Skullgreymon in the end. He fires missiles out of his spine, you see.

19LettersLong
May 8, 2011

...let's just put this away.

Lizard Wizard posted:

This is probably why I liked Digimon World 2 better. I'd be curious to hear how K&K feel about DW2, though.
I definitely want to try it someday, but I'm fully expecting to hate it for not just being 'Digimon World 1 but less hosed.'

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.


McDragon posted:

Well that was impressive timing. This just popped into my head for no apparent reason the other day. Something about lemons.

Also I hope you did decide to go for Skullgreymon in the end. He fires missiles out of his spine, you see.

But he's the evil digivolution!

19LettersLong posted:

I definitely want to try it someday, but I'm fully expecting to hate it for not just being 'Digimon World 1 but less hosed.'

DW2 is a fine game in my opinion, but it has a totally different charm than the first. It's not very much at all like the first, which is understandable because I can totally see a developer looking at this game and going "Wow, the gently caress do I do with this?"

Lizard Wizard
Dec 25, 2004

mep, mep


19LettersLong posted:

I definitely want to try it someday, but I'm fully expecting to hate it for not just being 'Digimon World 1 but less hosed.'

Digimon World 2 isn't at all like the first game. It's somewhat closer to a standard RPG, but there's more than enough unique elements that it manages to be its own thing, which is more than can be said for loving Digimon World 3.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts



Lizard Wizard posted:

Digimon World 2 isn't at all like the first game. It's somewhat closer to a standard RPG, but there's more than enough unique elements that it manages to be its own thing, which is more than can be said for loving Digimon World 3.

We never got the second one in Europe. So your choice was between Obtuse Mechanics: The Video Game or the biggest grind this side of a Korean MMO.

Lizard Wizard
Dec 25, 2004

mep, mep


Kaboom Dragoon posted:

We never got the second one in Europe. So your choice was between Obtuse Mechanics: The Video Game or the biggest grind this side of a Korean MMO.

My biggest problem with Digimon World 3, really, is that it looks like this:


despite being released in 2002. The actual combat's in 3D, but it's just so loving cheap. Argh.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014


Lizard Wizard posted:

Dammit, now I want to see them play Monster Rancher.

As someone who played MR2 a lot trying to unlock Undine/Niton, good luck with that.

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 8, 2014

Jon Joe
Oct 19, 2011

GUESS WHO'S LYING


Grimey Drawer

The art style in Digimon World 3 is actually pretty cool, the problem is the gameplay being extremely boring and grindy. At least the card battle was kind of cool.

Monk E
May 19, 2009


Glad to see this is still happening I can only imagine how much of a pain this game is to do a coherent LP of but its awesome when one does come up.

FlapWrap
Feb 17, 2014

A happy chappy


It's pretty great to see you guys doing this again!
I'm pretty glad I still own this game (lost the CD case though) but it's reminded me how I still own Digimon World 3 and Digimon Rumble Arena for some reason.

DentedLamp
Aug 2, 2012


Obtuse mechanics or no, this game has always had some form of queer allure that I've not seen in any other title to date. And I don't know why.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

We never got the second one in Europe. So your choice was between Obtuse Mechanics: The Video Game or the biggest grind this side of a Korean MMO.

And there was a game breaking bug in most European versions of the first game. I was so confused back then, because some character, who blocks a door just wouldn't react to anything.

If you want a guide, Orange Fluffy Sheeps screenshot LP is probably by far the best choice. It's a nice read in general.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax


lol your greymon doesnt know how to do poo poo train more scrubs

Beartaco
Apr 10, 2007



I would have just ended the LP at Keith's Urinemon joke.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich


Voted Worst Mom posted:

lol your greymon doesnt know how to do poo poo train more scrubs

He's got that triple tornado spin thing, does he even need more than that?

Cercueil
Sep 21, 2006




I ended up marathoning through seasons 1-5 of the show because of this back you guys first started. Good to see it back!

Blue Ghost
Dec 12, 2012


Kaboom Dragoon posted:

We never got the second one in Europe. So your choice was between Obtuse Mechanics: The Video Game or the biggest grind this side of a Korean MMO.

Not only the grind, it takes about five minutes for each encounter to show up to allow you to grind.

I think Digimon World 2 was a rouge-like or at least in floor structure with a Persona battle system. I never played it, I just wasted all of my time with World 3.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


Blue Ghost posted:

I think Digimon World 2 was a rouge-like or at least in floor structure with a Persona battle system. I never played it, I just wasted all of my time with World 3.

That's what World 2 was. Pure dungeon crawler with a hub town and turn-based battles. The Digimon raising mechanics were closer to World 3 than to World 1, too.

Vapor Moon
Feb 24, 2010

Neato!


The Human Font

Screw playing Digimon World 2/3 just play Digimon: Digital Card Battle.
I loved that game.

19LettersLong
May 8, 2011

...let's just put this away.



Part 8

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.


With you telling Greymon how much he sucks all the time, you're well on your way to getting SkullGreymon!

Lazerbeam
Feb 4, 2011



You guys were super lucky to learn meltdown.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

He will know I am near when he hears the screams of my enemies.

Lizard Wizard posted:

This is probably why I liked Digimon World 2 better. I'd be curious to hear how K&K feel about DW2, though.

Personally DW2 had some of the most memorable music. Plus them going the extra mile and adding voiced bits for every attack was kinda nice.

stoutfish
Oct 8, 2012

by zen death robot


The translation for Digimon World Re Digitize, the spiritual successor for the original digimon world, will be done in a month or two. It's much less obtuse than the original.

weird
Jun 4, 2012

by zen death robot


i really like digimon and i'm glad this is continuing

Lizard Wizard
Dec 25, 2004

mep, mep


ApplesandOranges posted:

Personally DW2 had some of the most memorable music. Plus them going the extra mile and adding voiced bits for every attack was kinda nice.


That was easily the best thing about that game.

PEPPI BREA-THU!

Hyperman1992
Jul 18, 2013


ahhh Digimon World! Not as good as 2, but still!

please tell me you're going to do 2 after!

also FIUH BRUPH! (gotta have greymon)

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?


stoutfish posted:

The translation for Digimon World Re Digitize, the spiritual successor for the original digimon world, will be done in a month or two. It's much less obtuse than the original.

stoutfish posted:

spiritual successor for the original digimon world ... It's much less obtuse than the original.

stoutfish posted:

It's much less obtuse than the original.

Then it's hardly a spiritual successor, is it?

Verus
Jun 3, 2011

AUT INVENIAM VIAM AUT FACIAM


I'm at college right now, but at my house I have five broken loving Digimon World 1 disks. Those things are like anti-Gameboys in terms of fragility.

Waterfall of Salt
May 14, 2013

Ow, my eye


Kaboom Dragoon posted:

We never got the second one in Europe. So your choice was between Obtuse Mechanics: The Video Game or the biggest grind this side of a Korean MMO.

Also note that the US version of the third game lacked the postgame that we got that required doing five obscure fetch quests way before you even know that you need to do it (and if you don't do it, as far as I know you get locked out of it entirely before you reach the final area, let alone the postgame) These fetch quests involves leveling five digimon up to level 45 in a game where you can only have three team members at one. Just getting to level 40 required getting over 60 000 EXP for some digimon in a game where regular enemies only very very rarely give more than 300 EXP. It also requires you to find three NPCs per item and there's no indication where they are.

US version also let you fish endlessly which meant you could just grind with a turbo controller.

The Counter Crest also always works in the US version, turning an already overpowered piece of equipment into a gamebreaking piece of equipment.

I still like Digimon World 3/2003 though, but you really need to fast-forward to play it nowadays. It's basically what would happen if Pokemon met a Final Fantasy-like job system, and the main game doesn't really require that much grinding.

The biggest problem is that like Digimon World you really do need to follow a guide when playing, and the copious backtracking, and the uneven difficulty curve, and... Okay it's mostly nostalgia. I still like the card battle minigame though.

19LettersLong
May 8, 2011

...let's just put this away.



Part 9

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Vapor Moon
Feb 24, 2010

Neato!


The Human Font


RIP Lemon.

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