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Ocular posted:Hi guys, just wanted to say thank you for such a greatly informative thread. My current PC has finally thrown in the towel after a number of years, and lately I've been itching to upgrade. My current PC started shutting off randomly a few weeks ago, and the frequency of the shutdowns became much more common until it would stay on for maybe 2-3 hours before just shutting off completely. Most of the time after a shutdown it would not even POST for a while. Eventually I was able to have it boot up successfully, consistently, however it's now just locking up after 3-5 minutes in Windows, Safe mode, BIOS, whatever. Luckily, I've run into a good chunk of cash and have decided to take the plunge on a new build. This current PC is simply a nightmare at this point, and so far out of date. SSD's kick rear end for your OS, and loading times in some games. This kind of sounds trivial until you actually own one. It's hard not to recommend one to anybody if they have the money for it. The jump from 4670k to 4770k is discussed a lot, but for gaming it simply it isn't worth it. The jump from 760 to 770 is significant enough to justify the cost. Planetside 2 is in my experience almost entirely CPU limited (to clarify, not improved enough by hyperthreading to buy an i7 though). Arma 3 is just intense overall. I highly recommend considering a 770 for Arma alone http://www.techspot.com/review/712-arma-3-benchmarks/page3.html (oh hey look, a very rare 660ti SLI benchmark hooray) Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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OnceIWasAnOstrich posted:I currently have a computer that is mostly ~3 years old with a nicely overclocked 2500k. I don't see much point to replacing the CPU considering all the other things that would need to be replaced and the minimal improvement over a 4.6ghz Sandy Bridge. I do have a 2gb 7850 that doesn't quite cut it for the 1440p monitors I am using. I am thinking about the options I have for replacing the graphics card. My only exposure to crossfire was two 7870's and it ran like poo poo. That was years ago though. It is probably time for a new power supply however, and definitely so if you plan another video card
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Caddrel posted:Someone on craigslist is selling this build for $600, whereas the components come out to ~$700. He built it a few months ago. I'd recommend a 760. But, if you really are saving money there is no reason you can't part out what you don't want. If you haven't already just try and knock off a little more to make it worth your time.
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There's good stuff on craigslist, people tend to move down greatly on complete computers (or not at all and be 130% of component price when new). I've gotten quite a bit on craigslist, but I've also NOT gotten a lot of it too. I like CL for electronics but you have to wade through an ocean of poo poo. If you stick it out I can promise you'll get a good deal though.
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The Lord Bude posted:There is no scenario where a gaming computer should have a Xeon processor in it. Those are for servers and workstations. There are still a few questions, however a xeon 1230 or 1240 v3 (etc) is just an i7 haswell with a few extras like ECC support, but no igpu. And it's cheaper. If you aren't going to overclock but need (or want..) hyperthreading it might be a better choice. A lot of motherboards support it, like that one. I actually haven't come across one that doesn't but I don't really look out for it either. But my concern would be more of does a person really need hyperthreading or not. It also uses (probably trivial) 5% less wattage, I'm guessing that accounts for the igpu Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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The Lord Bude posted:Personally for me the improved picture quality of an IPS trumps the improved frame rate of 130hz any day, unless you're a pro gamer. You will need a 770 at least or maybe a 780 to be consistently hitting 120 fps at max details. Our gpu recommendations all assume 60hz monitor. I'd probably even say 780+ for max settings on most modern games. I'd say 120 fps is downright rare even (at max settings). AA is a big contributor though. But that might not might mean 80 or 90 fps isn't pretty awesome compared to 60 fps, but I wouldn't know. My goal this year is to get a qnix (or equivalent) and run 1440p at 80 or so fps at max settings, as cheap as possible. Really I just want a 27" 1440p but I know the moment I overclock it the bug will strike again. My tentative plan is two 770's. For chemondelay I'm not sure 120 fps is a super realistic goal for a reasonably priced single GPU, at least right now. At least without performance tradeoffs that wouldn't be worth it. Honestly a solid, actual 60 fps that never dips, drops, or stutters is pretty drat awesome. Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Elliptical Dick posted:So, in the previous thread I posted this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3arT8 Video card is an easy one for games. You can probably spend half of your new budget on this without wasting money. 770 or 280x, etc The rest is more up to you. Do you want to overclock? This will have a bearing on video editing, but so would hyperthreading. Overclocking say a 4670k would require a z87 motherboard, or you could go i7-4770 non-k* for hyperthreading. An overclocked 4670k would be better for some games over an i7-4770 non k. At the very least you could up it to a 4670 non k if the price difference isn't much. Perhaps with your new video card choice you can justify a cheap 1440p, like a qnix. *or xeon 1230/1240 v3 variant, although jury is still out on cheaper motherboards Edit: I'd like to add what I'd personally do even though I wasn't going to originally because its pretty much at odds with the first build, but maybe it would interest you. - Double the motherboard budget for a z87 w/ wireless, SLI, good power management (~+$80 or maybe a little more) (Dropping wireless adapter -$36) - $60-$70 cooler depending on what fits in that case - Price match Microcenter on the 4570 to get a 4670k for the same price (ie. staples.com) - Up it to 650W or so, like a Capstone, or whatever is on sale and good. Probably +$15 - Replace video card with 2x GTX 760's  +$300This should come out to around $420-$440 more depending on motherboard. Now, however, you will have some serious GPU power that will on a lot of games will not utilize fully at 1080p (at least, definitely not fps-wise). I'd pocket the rest to pick up a 1440p qnix or equivalent as soon as possible. I'd overclock everything fully (and I would delid)  This is just what I'd do personally if I wanted matx based on the original build . As I said in the original post, simply going 770/280x will be more than enough for a lot of people. This is simply the most cost effective manner I can imagine to using the new budget, while keeping as much the same format as possible. What I posted first is probably more applicable. Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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novak posted:Yeah from what I've been reading a 1230v3 might not actually be that bad of a choice for a home PC, since it is actually just a 4770 without the IGPU. No need for hyper-threading, I just figured it'd be a better option since the rig wont necessarily be overclocked and going with the Xenon would make for a cheaper motherboard/CPU combo. If you don't actually need hyperthreading, that will kick the other build's rear end when you overclock. But nobody likes Crucial SSD's for the most part. The m500 is specifically mentioned as avoid in the SSD thread. Samsung 840 evo is standard go-to good, but there are others if there is availability issues. If you don't overclock (which is what the other build suggested) non-k and a different chipset can save you money.
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Black Dynamite posted:I have an Intel 530 240Gb SSD, an old NVIDIA GTX 650, 8gb 1600 RAM, and an i7 4770k. That much power is for at least 2x power hungry video cards + overclocked CPU and all the normal stuff. Power is power, don't worry about compatibility between brands, just worry about quality and if it has the connectors you want. The only compatibility thing with Haswells is supporting sleep mode or not.
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Black Dynamite posted:Yeah, I've overclocked my CPU already and haven't ruled out running two high-end Nvidia's in the future for 4-8k resolution. Nice, the seasonic linked earlier is better then
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ShaneB posted:Do you know if the 3D rendering software you want to use utilizes hyperthreading (like actually uses it) and/or fills 16GB of RAM? I have zero experience with it but once you look into 3d rendering its a totally new set of rules for hardware. People can consistently use more than 16gb with real actual 3d rendering work (not just benchmarks). The argument tends to be whether 32 gb is worth it or not, some people scrap everything and get what they need for 64. Hypertheading nets you about 20-30% improvement in speed with 3d rendering benchmarks. That's about all I know though
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Soldier o Fortune posted:Very helpful thanks. Maybe if I can squeeze 32 it would be good since I am under budget. I don't remember details, but I'm pretty sure that was the case for people who did it for a living, which I'm not saying you don't but there is probably a wide range in workloads. That said, most people have 16 gb and are happy with it. But no the build looks good. I actually didn't even know there was a 4771. In case 32gb is a total waste, you can always pick up 16* more gb later.
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KillHour posted:As a few people mentioned earlier, if you don't need the IGP, the E3-1240v3 is $30 cheaper (although 100mhz slower). The E3-1230v3 is $60 cheaper (200mhz slower). I wonder if it will be a go to i7 recommendation now. Come to find out they used to cost almost exactly the same as their i5 counterpart :o. Practically a no brainer back then all else equal http://ark.intel.com/compare/65516,65732
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Woops I always get microcenter prices for I5's and I7's in my head. They don't seem to sell v3 xeons unfortunately. To be fair, it's still a solid $50 increase from Newegg but it sure helps for people who want hyper threading but not a k model. Considering how intel prices stuff I'm pretty surprised its actually lower in cost than the i7 (although it makes perfect sense in reality). People probably wouldn't think twice if it cost more though deimos posted:e: nevermind, for some reason I thought E3-1230v3 was an IB part. remote terminal I'd guess (vpro is a lot of crap but I'm guessing this is what you meant) Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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The Lord Bude posted:we aren't in the habit of recommending leet gamer crap that looks like it was designed by an acid tripping toddler and has crazy pants fan configurations , sorry.  Was expecting the worst but honestly that gx700 doesn't look so bad if you like a pseudo "military" color scheme. I've seen waaaaaay riced out poo poo happily bought by people in the last thread. But I much prefer a black rectangle. I got owned for admitting liking the antec "300 two" though, even though I still stand by it for the price. That gx700 can do big radiators though Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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deimos posted:It has less radiator area than some mATX cases like the 350D or the Arc Mini R2. as opposed to the three hundred two*** I very much forgot to say
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ShaneB posted:It's so... perfect.... thread success
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Satire Forum Mom posted:I'm pulling the trigger on a build I posted in the last thread, but I'm debating adding a graphics card to play some games. Specifically, the EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti. This is fine with my SeaSonic 300W power supply, right? I'm not overclocking anything, if that matters. Will work fine (yes overclocking the cpu would matter you wouldn't have a lot of headroom with 300w) 750ti is incredibly power efficient, last test I saw was 68 whole watts. A quality 300 like yours will be fine. Don't be afraid to overclock your 750ti though I don't have a modular power supply because it wasn't worth paying money for me. But I have an mid size case. I'm sure there is value in it for a matx, but people have survived a long time without them. If you don't want to spring for one just wrap up the excess cables nice and tight and rubber band them close to the PSU. However they are becoming so common that sometimes good sale PSU's will be modular anyways. Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Hace posted:Not to nitpick, but I think that Devil's Canyon is only supposed to run on 9-series chipsets. I looked into this before and I saw places say that, and then other places say the opposite, and others still say that only k-series will be required to run on 9 series but the non-k will run on 8 series. I guess we'll find out soon
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Misandu posted:Does anyone have a quick rundown on how they've gotten Staples to match Micro Center's price on a CPU? I thought I saved the post about it from the last thread but I don't seem to be able to find it now. Staples.com and click the live chat button above the price. Its the only confirmed way I've ever seen here
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victorisham posted:I'm going to have a confirmed job for this summer (yay!) so I've started planning out tentative parts I want to buy when I've got the money saved. I just had one question that could save me a huge chunk of money -- I bought the Windows 8 upgrade for $15 when they were still running the promotion, digitally. Would I be able to use that same license on a new computer if I transferred all my old stuff over to it (instead of buying a whole new copy)? Depends if it was originally an OEM license or not. OEM is bound to the motherboard. I believe this is the case still...
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Hace posted:With Windows 8 you aren't bound to the motherboard. Dunno if that still applies since he upgraded TO Win8 from Win7, but it can't hurt to try. Sweet, that was so annoying before
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The Lord Bude posted:You have nothing worth salvaging, (except maybe a dvd drive if you have one) but it's going to be hard to fit a new monitor in your budget, so I suggest keeping your old one for now, and planning your build on the assumption that you'll get a new 1080p screen somewhere down the line when you can afford it. By all means do use your free SSD. It's probably not quite as good as our recommended Samsung 840EVO, but you shouldn't look a gift Drive in the SATA port Yeah those digital storm guys suck. Well... good for them for making money screwing parts together and making a pretty website I guess. But reference cards, random memory, random hdd, bottom of the barrel motherboards, cheap power supplies, all at a premium. Just staying at Newegg and adding up stuff their $700 comes out to $580 ... but it'd be less if shopped around, etc, and that's with ram with a brand, evga instead of nvidia, WD blue. Could be worse though. Their "top" one is about $280 over in components (and still with the lovely h81)
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ray_finkle_himself posted:Alright, so I'm building a new PC and wanted to stay around $1500 CDN. I already have a nice case so here's the rest: Nice, I'd say the cooler is overkill since you can't overclock. Don't know much about asus power supplies. Ratings of power supplies are almost always high despite quality, you have to find reviews from people who actually know what's what. That's why it's easier just recommend known good ones (ie. seasonic), not to say that one is bad though since PSU internals can be wildly different between different models in the same brand. 620 is also too much, 500 is fine
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Hace posted:http://www.techspot.com/review/712-arma-3-benchmarks/page3.html Heh that's the same benchmark I immediately though of. And to me, it kind of is worth it (if you play something like this). 760-770 is 11 fps and 770 to 780 is 9, at the cost of double the premium for the difference (~$80 vs $170). Personally I wouldn't get a 780 but if I only wanted one card I could see it. I would call getting a 780ti a huge waste for 1080p, while a 780 would be more of paying out the rear end for 60 fps. I also highly dislike when the frames drop below 60 fps for a first person shooter. I would get in the 50's with a single card for BF4 and after I SLI'd (after all said and done) I got a constant 60 under every circumstance. In reality it was a huge waste of GPU power since it would push over 120 fps. Having all that overhead prevented fps fluctuations that I really despise though. I guess as long as you make the decision knowing what you're getting into is all that matters. I completely see where you're coming from. On the other hand I only recommend a 760 due to budget
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C. E. Croix posted:So my premade Dell is almost staring down a decade, and with XP support ended, I should finally get around to building a PC for the first time. I'm using the value system as base, as I would like to keep it under $900, and I'm looking to game at an acceptable performance. I'd recommend i5 like hace said but if you're budget is $900 and not $800 that would be an easy change. It's hard to say whether or not to spend the rest of the difference on a HD or go up to a GTX 760... but a 140gb hd sounds old as hell. Price match the i5-4570 at Staples.com with this link: (this is a cached link atm their website seems to be down) http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.microcenter.com/product/413255/Intel_Core_i5-4570_32GHz_Boxed_Processor +$40 Which leaves you with $95 so I'm going to guess that HD might be very out of date I'd get a new hard drive. If you don't need a lot of space overall and you can add another $30 you can swing a gtx 760 which will turn this into a solid gaming machine. If not though it's still good to go
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Bingemoose posted:Just wanted to post my finished pic and say thanks for all your help guys. Dont mind the cables still gotta do some management. Haha wow that's a lot of PSU 2x 770 is my "reasonable dream" setup. Should be rockin
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Bingemoose posted:Haha yeah shes jammin man. Minus some small hickups with the board and setting up the SLI. Does custom water cooling use tons of watts? I mean at this point you can literally two of your computers with that. In any case, get to overclocking :P. This applies to single cards too of course, but if you're playing a game that can't possibly use 2x 770's worth of GPU (which is likely for some) make sure to frame limit. You save a TON of electricity, plus they run cooler, and smoother.
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Bingemoose posted:haha yeah i'm gonna get to OC within the month wanted to play some games for a month and see the difference. Gonna need to cool the CPU though its already running around 60C. Apparently 4.6 is safe for the 4670k gonna see if I can pull a bit more out of it safely. I wouldn't expect much more if you even get that, but don't worry its very fast. The stock cooler is adequate at best for stock, it pretty much sucks rear end.
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Crackbone posted:That's not going to happen. If you want 4k performance it's sli or $500 or more single card solutions. Anything above 1900x1080 performance is going to command a huge premium for the next few years minimum. I was gonna say even the loftiest expectations for the next generation of cards won't really run 4k acceptably unless you spend... probably way more than $500 for a single card. On the plus side, 4k monitor's will probably become very reasonable much sooner. A lot of stuff happening now with that. Cool for desktop use I suppose. For fuzzy pipe, and I know nobody wants to hear this, but if you want a card to hold you over until next gen stuff buy used. Stick with nvidia if you do (dont want clapped out buttminer crap)
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Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:I was basically hoping to be able to grab a good 4K monitor for less than $1k and a graphics solution that can power it for ~$500. It seems monitor's are hitting the price points I'm looking for. But the $500 price point for a GPU won't cut it yet. The last benchmark I saw with 4k required four titans to run 55 fps for metro with max settings. There is no amount of turning down settings that will produce any sort of acceptable gameplay for a $500 card anytime soon. Sadly. 2x 770 SLI would probably be the best value for usable 4k, and the closest to $500, and I know its not super close. 770 equivalents for next gen might bring you to $500 but there is no way of knowing.
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Hace posted:Don't get the 660ti, the 760 costs the same/less, and has better performance. Yes agree, 660ti is good but outdated and out of production. I wouldn't get one over a 760 even if they were both being made just based on memory bus nitra
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smelly cabin filter posted:Whats a safe overclock for a 4670k with a 212? I just enabled the auto overclock on my motherboard which bumped it upto 4.2 and upped the voltage a bit. Not seeing any difference in temperatures from standard and the thing seems stable, I should probably just leave it as is Overclocking thread probably has the info you want. Short answer: 4.4-4.6 is average limits. 1.30 - 1.35 is average vcore before thermal limits. Autotuning is almost always wasteful.
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:Hello friend 84 is too hot for stock, remount it with new paste. If you can drop that 10 degrees I wouldn't worry edit: can anyone recommend me a good overclocking matx mobo that can sli? I'm making longer term plans and while I don't mind atx in the least, I don't want to keep matx out of the picture all things equal. The only focus I have is SLI compatibility and high quality power delivery. Probably a good audio chipset, but everything else I hardly use (3x sata max, bare minimum of USB ports). My mobo knowledge is sadly limited and something I traditionally just throw money at and hope for the best Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Touchfuzzy posted:Here's five that PCPartPicker gave me. (2-way SLI) I guess just pick whatever one you feel comfortable with/like the look of/want to spend the money on. I'm partial to Asus, but the ASRock one is ~40$ cheaper, if that's your thing. If I take Asus for example, it's hard for me to determine the real practical differences between the Gryphon and Maximus VI gene, or even compared to like the ATX Sabertooth. Besides the obvious such as more sata ports and the like, and the shields (lol). The power delivery (at least the 8+2 part) seem the same... and the important slots seem the same.
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