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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Pick Hard posted:

David Bordwell's blog is a treasure trove, and his books ain't bad either.

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/

Bordwell's Ozu book is terrific.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Coaaab posted:

What makes it different from other books about Ozu?

I couldn't say, having not read any others.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDSpbu4CzUk

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Yoshifan823 posted:

And I'm gonna have to ask you return your ears to the proper authorities, because you just lost the right to use them. For all of the complaints one can level at Wicked, and there are a number, if you don't get chills down your spine, bumps on your arm, and randomly stand and applaud at the final note of that song, you have no soul. Let It Go doesn't come close.

Glad someone's finally talking sense around here.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

TrixRabbi posted:

I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made?

"Emotionally manipulative" tells me nothing. It's not enough to say that the orchestra in Titanic swells during key scenes in order to make you feel sad. You have to explain why it doesn't work for you.

Yeah I've never found that persuasive. I mean I do get how people can go "oh that's too much" when a movie's laying it on really thick, but that's an aesthetic objection. There's no need to make it out like the movie's a reality show contestant trying to trick you into showing weakness. I have pretty much the opposite approach anyway, I'll give points to any movie that can make a hollow and jaded piece of poo poo like me actually feel something.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Comic cons can be fun if you're into comics. I'm not really interested in meeting celebrities or seeing movie trailers or that poo poo, but you can meet some neat artists and find some great comics for dirt cheap. The last Boston Comic Con was real fun, I might go again this year.

It seems like ebay has eliminated a lot of the utility in going to a con to dig through the crates looking for that lost issue of Big Numbers or whatever.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
Billy Bob Thornton on the FX Fargo TV show: If someone had sent me the script with no name on it and said the Coen brothers wrote it, I would have bought it. And believe me, I know those guys. If they had read it and they didn’t like it, we wouldn’t be doing this. Noah said Ethan’s words after reading it were, “Yeah. Good.” For Ethan? That’s being effusive. That’s Ethan being over the moon.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

There should be a mod challenge for Dickeye to only talk about movies for a month.

Please yes.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Hahaha, what a baby.

Signed, Badpost McNoselfawareness

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Don't sign your posts.

e:b

Batting cleanup for Dickeye. drat thats a new indignity even for a lovely retard like you.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

There should be a mod challenge for this entire thread to only talk about movies, period.

You're like the chief dude who torments us with gay rear end crap about comics and music. Or at least #2 (thats not the only way you're like #2, lol) behind Dickeye. I want to plunge a knife into your yankee chest while whispering "shh, shh" like the guy from Saving Private Ryan. An insanely stupid and self-impressed fruit like you doesn't have any business looking down on the lowest paramecium, let alone Subg.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

I Before E posted:

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but oh my god dude, simmer the gently caress down. Also maybe cut back on the homophobia, ableism, and poor grammar.

Before my clock runs out, I have to know: what was the poor grammar?

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

TrixRabbi posted:

We have an IRC channel?

#cinemadiscussodiscussion, on Synirc. Jump into an epic world of cinema discusso discussion, with all your favorite posters and lurkers.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

ClydeUmney posted:

I'm teaching, so I catch up when I get home), but Why Don't You Play in Hell? is completely insane and loving awesome. It's like a blood-splattered Yakuza version of Cinema Paradiso mixed with American Movie. It owns and I hope tons of people see it.


Oh is that the new Sion Sono? Sounds like a pee good watch.

Speaking of yakuza movies, has anyone seen Last Life in the Universe (2003, dir. Pen-Ek Ratanaruang)? I caught it recently and mostly dug it, but it made me realize that I've probably seen more deconstruction-y yakuza flicks than 'straight' ones, which I feel like I need to do something about.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Beyond sane knolls posted:

I imagine a southerner would get really upset if a british person ever called them a yank.

It'd be like that scene in In The Loop where Tucker tells Gandolfini never to call him English again, and Gandolfini just looks confused as poo poo as he walks away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwGZinTeodc

DNS fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 16, 2014

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

cat doter posted:

Why have I never heard of Mickey One? I caught it on TV at like 1am, it was pretty loving cool. I've never even heard it mentioned yet apparently it's a cult classic.

Legendary exiled poster SubG used to post about it a lot in this very forum.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
More like Jeph Blowb.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
Don't listen to Blur, everyone's trolling you. Everything they recorded was poo poo from a man's rear end.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I mentioned this in some other thread before, but the bit in SM1 where MJ runs into Peter and tries to hide her diner work clothes under her jacket while talking about getting rejected for an audition has more humanity in it than most superhero movies do in their entire running time.

Yeah I was gonna say, Spicer-Man 1 & 2 are alert to MJ's hopes and fears in a way that's completely missing from ASM's treatment of Gwen Stacey. MJ basically has this parallel Female Peter Parker life going on... Yeah there's the element of she's there to be saved by Spider-Man but she's a character with shadings who inhabits her own world, and the films are sensitive to her perspective.

morestuff posted:

Wesley Morris has a nice digression about this in his review of ASM2:

That's good stuff. Dafoe's performance is perfect by the way, and every one of his line readings is solid fried gold: I want you to kill da spyda man, we attack his heart, godspeed spiderman, DON'T TELL HARRY zzz, etc.

Slate Action posted:

The Sam Raimi Spidermans bounce around in quality but they weren't boring. There's a narrow zone of uniformly-competent-but-not-interesting that's just excruciating to watch, and Amazing Spider-Man 1 nailed it.

ASM's sensibility is so insanely bland. You're probably not gonna out-gonzo Raimi but it could've at least been made with real conviction and care.

I don't find the first Spider-Man that ugly btw. It's not amazing looking but I like how New York City seems to perpetually be in golden hour (there's an attraction to the mythic image of Manhattan in Raimi's films), and the shots of Spider-Man swinging through the streets took my breath away when it came out.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Discount Viscount posted:

I really like Dafoe in Auto Focus. And almost forgot about him in Wild at Heart until you mentioned it. He's a good creep.

Oh man I love everything about Auto Focus. Schrader's last great movie in my opinion.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Anonymous Robot posted:

Yeah, I'd honestly probably crack up if that happened in a theater I was at.

A long time ago, I saw Star Wars Episode 3, and in the ticket line there was a dude getting super hyped for what a badass General Grievous was going to be. This was like, two weeks after the film's release, too. When he first appeared, he shouted out "OH poo poo GENERAL GRIEVOUS!" When General Grievous went out like a bitch, he got up and left.

Haha, that's great.

I see mostly old people matinees (think 10 am) so I don't get many disruptive people, but the trade-off is I don't get many excited crowds either.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
Rewatched Michael Clayton. It's crazy to me that Sydney Pollack never got any real acting nominations, because the guy was just a loving treat to watch. Huge reservoirs of charisma.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

LesterGroans posted:

I love his scene with Tom Cruise at the pool table in Eyes Wide Shut. So good.



He slays in that scene.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Shocking to no one but ASM2 is insanely rotten. Nice to see Emma Stone acting circles around that dweeb, whose impression of a New Yorker is a coked up Michael Rapaport?

I'm so glad you said this because I kinda couldn't stand Garf in the first ASM. He was playing an insecure teenager and came off more like a... neurotic puppydog. Just laid it on way too thick.

Also you just made me realize: young Rapaport would've been a killer Eddie Brock.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

*scrolls to the left for 5 minutes until I find Ma$e*

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Lol.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

The MSJ posted:

Gravity is quoting another movie here, but I can't really place it.


Maybe Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac should play jizz musicians, who have been rendered obsolete because of a new musical trend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_FoEy8T_A

Jizz musicians.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

You know how, when a film starts, you are treated to a few short animations that display the logos of the various production companies?

I've discovered a new phenomenon.

"Dream Logos" are, as the name implies, fan-edited logo sequences. "Dream Logo Combos" are various logos edited together in sequence, so that you can dream a logo sequence for an unlikely co-production (e.g. Disney/Warner Bros, MTV/Universal, etc.). "Dream Logo Variations" on the other hand, involve altering existing logos so that you can dream a South Park film was produced by Universal Studios, or that Paramount Pictures changed their logo's music for a documentary about Daft Punk.

"what if nintendo and universal teamed up with warner bros and castle rock to make a zelda movie in 2011? if so these logos and logo variations would most likely be used,"

"This logo prediction should be used for the upcoming found footage sci-fi adventure film, Project Almanac (2014). Here, the logos are x-rayed, very science fiction looking, and they go time traveling backwards."

"Dream Logo Variation:Dreamworks goes blue and rotate left ... The Dreamworks logo is blue and has rotate falling on it. This logo variation should've been used in Disburia."

This isn't one person. This is dozens of people. Welp!

This is insanely weird.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe
http://dreamlogos.wikia.com/wiki/Dream_Logos_Wiki
http://dreamlogos.wikifoundry.com/
http://closinglogosdreamlogos.wikia.com/wiki/Adam%27s_CLG_Wiki:_Dream_Logos_Wiki
http://dreamlogos.wikifoundry.com/page/Logos+From+a+Dream

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Sheldrake posted:

It's true, though, I probably wouldn't see a movie where 30 women have their dicks shot off.

I would definitely see that.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

morestuff posted:

Speaking of Soderbergh — anyone seen K Street? Worth watching?

K Street was weird. I don't remember much about it, but I remember that.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Vargo posted:

I'm really unsure what to do about the SMG situation, but that ain't it.

Here's my idea: Make a rule that nobody can actually talk about SMG. You can respond to his posts but you can't talk about him.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Whose fault is that? I see plenty of good posts around here that I respond to, as well as other stuff that's substantive that doesn't get responded to. Moveon.org

Yeah. I mean I don't like SMG Discusso but I just try to set my own example by not getting sucked into it & talking about movies the way I want to. Turns out its pretty easy.

axleblaze posted:

gently caress! After almost a year of not seeing anything, I just found a bed bug crawling around my couch. I really don't want to deal with this poo poo again. Especially not right now.

I was just wondering what happened with that. good luck Axle.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

penismightier posted:

I'd say in that realm, On Her Majesty's Secret Service is king, at least from dim decade old recollections of it.

OHMM is legit great. I gave it the short shrift for years because I couldn't buy into Lazenby, but I saw it again on the big screen last year and it instantly became probably my third-favorite Bond. Great action and cinematography, killer score, the comedy still plays, and most importantly Diana Rigg. Also has one of my favorite Bond one-liners. Soderbergh wrote something cool on it a while back, though I think he gives short shrift to some of the other Bonds in the process of praising OHMM, and his assessment of Lazenby as being less glib than Connery surprised me:

http://extension765.com/sdr/2-most-irrelevant-no-1

Something that I enjoy about both OHMM and Casino Royale (my #1 Bond) is their novelistic structure. I know that drives some people crazy in CR's case but I think that little bit of loosey-goosey, rambling feel gives them a unique flavor instead of making you feel like you're watching any other action thrillride. Not that they're light on action and thrills at all, but they have the confidence to go long stretches without violence, letting us get to know the characters and find excitement in their interactions.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

It seemed like it couldn't tell whether it wanted to be wacky like old-school Bond or grim and cold-blooded like Casino Royale Bond, so we get weird bits like the William Tell thing or the goofy CGI Komodo Dragon and the too-insistent Aston Martin cameo and like half of Javier Bardem's scenes that just don't really work for me.

I'm with you. I couldn't really even enjoy Bardem in it, they gave him such crap to work with. I come back to Casino Royale all the time because while the spectacle is huge and ballsy, the character work is fine-grain. One of my favorite touches in it is when Le Chiffre is torturing Bond's nuts and he finds himself laughing in a sort of reluctant admiration at Bond's resilience. Le Chiffre's not evil or humorless - just a bad man in a world that never runs out of them. It's a movie that finds a specifically adult pleasure in paying attention to human behavior, it's constantly alive to the little moments like that (that awareness is what makes the scenes with Vesper so good). Whereas Skyfall is all blunt roaring obviousness even when it's being "human." So I kinda hated Skyfall. It's gorgeous and the action's good so in one sense it's preferable to many other, more generic Bad Bonds. But its mixture of heavyhandedness, nostalgia and general sloppiness (concerning tone, theme and character) really irritated me. I read a glowing review of it on Criticker that said something like "finally a James Bond movie with subtext!" and my eyes started spinning like gyroscopes. More like finally a James Bond director willing to hammer us in the head and elongate every portent-packed shot of Bond standing over a gloomy landscape.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

When is somebody gonna make the Bond movie that features the character I love so much from the books: a bored thug who loves breakfast and concierge service.

I thought Connery got pretty close in his best moments.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I think it's unfair that Casino Royale is criticized at times for being straightforward, but that's exactly what I want. At no point do I ever "know" Bond, because he refuses to let the audience in, but there's just enough incident that clues you into him. It tells a story about Bond. What a freakin' concept. I do like when Bond gets weird, but I don't like him as an interchangeable quipster.

Yeah totally. A story about Bond is perfectly put. That's the poo poo I really respond to, though I'm down for Just Another Adventure Bond too.

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Connery has a natural shitheadedness that few actors ever made cool (Jack Nicholson is the other one I can think of). That's something Brosnan never got about the character. Or I guess that's the 90's version, some dickhead with nothing going on but the expensive clothes he's wearing.

Brosnan really leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I watch him today. His look is so great that I think for years I didn't notice how little else he brought to the table.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:



Natural shithead: Timothy Dalton. Shame about the movies, though.

I gotta say, I dug Licence to Kill. Robert Davi's one-liner after making a guy explode, the set decoration, Wayne Newton... it works for me. Great ending truck chase too.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

Vargo posted:

Is Halle Berry ever not terrible? I never saw Monster's Ball, but other than that she seems to almos constantly awful.

She's alright in Monster's Ball. And BAPS.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Bad Alicia Keys song. I like You Know My Name but prefer Skyfall, including the title sequence.

That Jack White/Alicia Keys number was so bad. Herky-jerky doesn't work for Bond.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:


It looked real fuckin' stupid.

So does DOFP and you can't wait for that!

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

morestuff posted:

I googled that, because who the hell can keep track of all these dumb acronyms, and the first result was "Diaper Full Of Poopie (DFOP) When I Poop My Pants ..." Is there a trailer out?

Hahaha. Sorry, I meant Days of future past (Gays of Poo-turd rear end) but put the F in the wrong place.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

penismightier posted:

There's this thing now where people feel the need to tear down history's "heroes" - which is a very healthy impulse as far as reminding us that they humans and that what's written was not always so, but the ugly repercussion is that nobody is good enough anymore. As usual, Lincoln's the best example. Like all men of the 19th century, he struggled with reconciling a lot of racial baggage, and he pushed an ineffective government to the limits of overreach. As a result most people in their 30s and below reject him out right as an autocrat racist shithead.

I saw someone here post, upon seeing Spielberg's Lincoln, something like "it's hard to come away from it without thinking he was a monster". Of course, without Abe Lincoln - and not just a figure in his place, but actually literally just that one single human being, it's likely abolitionism would've never taken foothold in America and also likely that representative democracy would've been disproven as a viable political option.

Dude did the most practical good of just about anyone you can imagine, but questions about his moral character have disqualified him as an aspirational figure.

It's the tumblr-ization of discourse, where action is meaningless and intent is everything.

I feel like it comes from social pressure, you don't want to be misconstrued as being an apologist for the unpleasant things a figure of note has done so you overcorrect in the other direction. Historical figures in particular have both human failings that can be contextualized and usually massive lovely things they've done that need to be accounted for in any balanced discussion of them - or you can just group it all together and use it to make a pat dismissal. It gets funnier to me the further back in time people go with this, because really how animated do you need to get about what a piece of poo poo Genghis Khan or whoever was?

Kinda tangential but I think about this a lot lately because of the Your Favs Are Problematic type thing, I read a lot of celeb gossip sites and in the comments the dynamic I see repeated over and over is idolization and loathing - celebs are idolized when they seem perfect, and despised when we find out they're human. And not to get too fancy about this but I can't help but suspect it's a symptom of modern living, where messages of failure are constantly transmitted towards you when you don't measure up to fraudulent and contradictory ideals of perfection. Because of course a lot of these commenters and tumblrers are young people, and young people feel intensely - I think it's important to be patient with teenagers when they make goobers out of themselves, especially when their heart is in the right place. They often lack perspective, so we have to be the ones to go "oh yeah wait, this is probably just a kid, they'll figure it out down the line."

Even still, it can be aggravating to read about how so-and-so is the worst ever because of [fixates on one context-free detail]. Not that I should be putting myself in a position where I tell people how sincere they really are, but there's an aspect of it that really seems performative to me - like you have to be seen hating the right people.

Fag Boy Jim posted:

OHMSS, by the way, is almost certainly my favorite Bond film, even if the allergy clinic abruptly stops the film in it's tracks for a bit. The ski chase, and the scenes in the holiday village might be the most afraid Bond has been portrayed as in the whole series, and that's not something that Connery could have pulled off, if only because Connery is just too established as a badass.

Yeah great point. Fear is something I really like in my action movies. My favorite part of Fast 6 is when Vin Diesel's driving under a crumbling overpass and briefly looks terrified.

I love the whole allergy clinic sequence for how patient it is and how it commits to the weird comedy of it.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Chinggis Khan is a really good one because he gets to be either the most prolific rapist in history or a sagacious steppesman, but not really both. But he is both! That's what makes him so fascinating. Human beings do nothing but hold contradictory values and thoughts but the deepest stain you can put on someone is being hypocritical. So as long as some fuckin' psychopath sticks to his guns, he can be hailed for being inflexible.


It's funny how readily people figure that out and then latch onto it.

TNC is the man.

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Mar 11, 2009

by Smythe

penismightier posted:

(Hemingway is wrong - it's Lincoln who invented American literature, not Twain)

Lincoln should be taught in HS english classes. He was an awesome writer.

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