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Miltank posted:Was the officer who arrested Rosa Parks a bad person? Did he do anything other than arrest her? It's hard to look at a 1955 arrest with 2014 morals. Obviously what he did was wrong, when looked at through the lens of history, but it would be impossible to say if he was a bad person.
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mds2 posted:Asked this in the other thread but it went unanswered: I don't know if this is exactly a civil rights violation, but it is something that happens in small towns that annoys that gently caress out of me. We get all sorts of nosy people that wilil call in suspicious(brown) people or cars doing suspicious things and so I feel like if I go out there and talk to the person just cause they are walking while brown in the rural midwest i'm violating their rights, but if I don't the person who calls is always, always watching and then they complain about us and write letters to the local newspaper. They never understand when you try to explain it to them why a person walking isn't suspicious. White people are the worst.
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Apr 18, 2014 15:56
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Ethan_Alan posted:Don't act like taking things from lockup is uncommon. Do you just sign a form saying you went in there, or do you sign for any evidence taken out as well? I wouldn't be surprised that if someone wanted to they would have a lot of leeway in taking things. does shooting deer who got hit by a car count? Also for like 99.5% of us a fellow coworker violating someones rights isn't going to be some insidious thing where they smile at you evilly and then plant a bag of crack on a black person, it is usually something the court ends up deciding like oh you didn't have enough PC to stop that car. Branis fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 20:22
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drilldo squirt posted:Hey can you guys tell me why you can't just get a bunch of good cops together go to the union and get them to fire a bad one? You guys never answered me. because the union isn't going to go to the management to fire a guy who presumably has no disciplinary record and only has the word of other people to fire him from his job.
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Apr 18, 2014 20:42
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because there is a difference between a guy whos an rear end in a top hat and a guy who is a bad cop, an actual bad cop usually doesn't last long before they end up getting caught doing something horrible, an rear end in a top hat is the one who eventually flips out and beats up a minority on camera.
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Apr 18, 2014 20:45
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I think an rear end in a top hat cop has the propensity to be good and to be bad. Theres a guy I work with who is a huge dick and sometimes treats people poorly when he is grumpy which is about 70% of the time, but he also is seriously the best cop when it comes to dealing with child victims, he is calm and compassionate and understanding when it comes to kids. And we might think a court decision is bullshit and disagree, but the court is the court and theres no arguing with that, whenever there is a new change in laws or court decisions our boss tries to keep us current, we've never had a case lost in such a way that our practices need to be changed since i've been here but I would imagine the same would happen.
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Apr 18, 2014 21:11
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tentative8e8op posted:So, barring insanely violent crimes like murders/rapes, you will never feel morally compelled to go out of your way to contact defendants/defense attorneys when you have 'concrete evidence' of wrongdoing by other officers in your force? i'm genuinely curious to know what percentage of every police agency in the country you would guess is bad or corrupt? I feel like your assuming that every agency has people who do bad things and it just gets ignored. Not every department is the NYPD or LAPD. The one time i've seen excessive force used was while I worked in a jail and that officer got fired for it
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Apr 18, 2014 22:59
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i'm sure before long drone pilot will be offered to po dunk police departments, so i'm holding out for that one.
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Apr 19, 2014 01:01
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cops seems to be pretty alright like whip said, the older episodes are crazier. It always seems like to me that they take loving forever on one call though. Verbal arguement over a TV starts at noon, end shot is dark as they load someone in the car and drive away. I'd be pissed if my coworker had a cops cameraman riding and was hamming it up on calls to make them last longer.
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Apr 19, 2014 01:24
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at least he is harassing white people.
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Apr 19, 2014 02:23
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you can buy all sorts of poo poo from the goverment on gov auction sites http://www.govdeals.com/ Not just from the police either.
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Apr 19, 2014 04:14
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I think we can all agree the best time to steal evidence is before you even log it in.
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Apr 19, 2014 16:26
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criminal histories are about as protected as hipaa is for medical records. You will get caught looking at unauthorized criminal histories and you will get in trouble.
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Apr 20, 2014 01:45
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We do it for the cameras.
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Apr 20, 2014 02:45
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mailmen can refuse to go somewhere on the basis of danger. http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/lo...678b7aff4b.html plus you know the old saying about how when you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail?
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Apr 20, 2014 03:02
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because grabbing your gun is your first instinct when a dog is biting you. As to the other question, feel free to rephase it if you want a serious answer.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:If you were talking to me in person you'd be stumbling over your words to call me sir. people like to believe that the police are basically good and give us the benefit of the doubt, especially since a cop probably won't ever get a FTP jury. Or you get cities like LA where people just accept that LAPD might shoot you in the face if you're a certain shade a brown and driving a pickup. This is purely conjecture, but maybe most people feel that since the chances of them ever getting brutalized is next to zero that it isn't a big problem for them, kinda like how a ton of people don't give a gently caress about fracking or other environmental issues because it doesn't directly affect them, even to the detriment of the state of the planet. Police are basically the embodiment of white privilege. Stargate posted:See, this is what I was hoping someone would say but there are lots of police related deaths caused by neck injuries, e.g. that one with the kid who had down syndrome in the cinema and in the Kelly Thomas video he was telling them that he couldn't breathe. I know I've seen more like that but can't remember any specifics. I thought that downs kid in the cinema died because he was fat and couldn't breath while on his back? Either way I wouldn't say there is lots of police related deaths caused by neck injuries, and actually a lot of times you are more like squat sitting and resting some of your weight on them than actually putting 100% of your weight on their back or whatever. But no we are not trained and you should not kneel on someones neck Branis fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:I'm reading this debate on Volokh: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/04/20/more-on-speed-limits-and-duties-to-obey-the-law/ Isn't this basically the broken window theory? Honestly it would probably be impossible to enforce traffic laws more harshly than they are now without using robots and traffic cameras. Theres just too much road and not enough cops, and there would never be enough cops.
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Turtlicious posted:Do you guys feel comfortable talking about the jurisdiction you work in? you can't even begin to compare the LAPD to say my experiences in the rural upper midwest, so when LAPD is horrible and does horrible things, it doesn't really affect how things are done up here. In the entire history of my department theres never been an officer involved shooting, but I can understand how your experiences with LAPD can sour you on police in general.
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theres 10ish people on my department, which I think about 30% of all US police depts are between 10-30, and nobody has been shot at or shot anyone. Plenty of tense incidents involving guns since it is a rural area, but no shootings. Gun control is dumb, democrats are dumb for pushing it. Just once i'd like to see them fight for overhauling the health care and mental health care systems than try to ban scary black rifles. Banning guns just transfers more power to the wealthy.
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Apr 22, 2014 23:45
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I feel like your tryin to control my guns by stopping me from talking about them
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Apr 22, 2014 23:57
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our cameras and recorders come on every time you turn on the lights so that is a no no
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USMC503 posted:Is there any validity to the idea civilians should use the same ammo for concealed carry/home defense as their local PD? theres no sort of science or trial and error in the ammo our dept uses, whatever the firearms instructor likes is what we use, so it may not be optimal. I think we use speer gold dot for duty and I use hornady critical defense in my carry gun.
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I just can't see that being true unless you like bragged about tipping your bullets with cyanide covered feces or tried to light him on fire using dragons breath or something.
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Apr 23, 2014 15:33
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if hollowpoints didn't come up in the zimmerman trial they won't come up in anybody elses.
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Harry in Rio posted:I think when I stopped working in the ammo/armor business there were something like 32k uniformed NYPD and a bunch of departments that fell under the City Wide Service administration (Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Police, Department of Homeless Services Police, Parks Service, NYC Sanitation Police, etc). With the auxiliaries the total number of uniformed police in the 5 boroughs was some staggering number, I mean, 60k at the time. My first department didn't issue me a firearm, so I had to carry my own personal xd40 until I could afford a glock 22.
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PostNouveau posted:I hope I'm not straying too close to gun-control talk, but I'm surprised to read that UK police do not carry guns. I had always thought that they didn't wear them, but they did have them at the ready (locked in the car or something). I would bet that every US cop carries a gun. And given how many guns are out there I wouldn't want to not have one. Other than felons, i've never met a person in my county who didn't own at least one gun.
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Apr 25, 2014 07:23
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can you even find a retention holster for a makarov? I love me some milsurp but I don't know if i'd rely on one in a gun fight.
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Apr 25, 2014 08:18
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your sheriff or chief is going to expect you to do work, if that means going to calls or writing tickets or whatever, just something to show you arent hiding behind the grocery store or sitting at home your entire shift.
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Apr 25, 2014 12:23
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Sioux falls police and highway patrol used to chase you till you died, but then they killed too many people that way and now they won't chase you for anything. My dept will still chase you till you die, but we haven't killed anyone yet.
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DaNerd posted:For the campus cops: drive by slowly with the window down pretending to do something so the person who called in and is inevitably watching from their window doesn't call back in to complain about my lazy rear end.
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USMC503 posted:How far away can the license plate scanners get license plates? I mean, if they can't chase me and don't see my plates, good luck identifying my car (or at least well enough you can prove it in a court). I drive a stock '07 silver Mustang (yes I know it's enlisted as gently caress) and there are a buttfucking ton of them so... a lot of times a cop will have read your plate on before he ever lights you up, so unless it is stolen you'll probably get caught.
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Apr 27, 2014 06:09
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I'm ok with the Feds going Waco on bundy and his teabag militia
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blue squares posted:Do you know of any books, preferably fiction but narrative non-fiction works too, that are about the life of your average police officer? Not a noir detective story, but something more like the fantastic movie End of Watch. http://www.amazon.com/BOOT-Officers...words=boot+lapd this one I really enjoyed, and it takes place in the LAPD in the 90s, it's about as the name implies, the authors rookie year in the LAPD. anything by Joseph Wambaugh is good, His stories like hollywood hills hollywood station harbor nocturne etc are all fictional and set in the modern day LAPD. http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Wambaugh/e/B000APXD4A/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1
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Abongination posted:So then he should be charged with assault and resisting arrest, like any other person. There are tons of times that people don't get arrested on the spot and get charged with later. They know who it is they have the evidence and it was dealt with accordingly, the guy the guy got fired and probably going to be facing charges, I don't see what more you could possibly want? I promise you that even in whatever perfect society you imagine in your brain, no cop is going to arrest another cop straight out on the scene of something.
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Apr 29, 2014 06:41
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Tentacle Party is australian, i'm fairly certain they choke each other out as a greeting there.
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I think swat teams do have a purpose, and from what i've seen of other regional teams I think they are better than every small town having their own. I also think DHS/whatever agency should give money instead of armored cars to police depts on the stipulation it's used for training and education and hiring more officers.
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taking freedom from human beings should never have a profit motive, whether that be speeding tickets or prison sentences. If society has decided to put someone in prison and deprive them of freedom then society should bear the cost.
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