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little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010


DoubleNegative posted:

Not everything needs two byproducts just to make logistics that much harder.

You'll be happy to find out that some things will have three or four

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Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!

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Dirk the Average posted:

Loaders are basically a necessity for AngelBobs, and they have their own filters. Warehouses are similarly really damned handy, since with 24 input/output locations, you can use them as intermediate steps to filter out products and direct waste to certain parts of the factory.

Loaders are the poo poo, and are right up there with belts and assemblers as things to keep automated and two stacks on you at all times

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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DoubleNegative posted:

I started up my first AngelBobs game, and right now it's looking like to automate even the most basic plate production line, I need filter inserters. Is that right, or am I overlooking something incredibly obvious?

This feels like unnecessary complexity for its own sake. Not everything needs two byproducts just to make logistics that much harder.

pumpinglemma posted:

Crushed stone can't be loaded into furnaces, and crushed ore can't be loaded into a crushed stone assembler. So if you set up one of each, even non-filter inserters will do the right thing. But yeah, locking filter inserters behind basic electronic boards is a bit bullshit.

Yeah, early on my go-to for "dumb" filtering is plopping down four assemblers, 2 on each side of a crushed stone/or line, and set them to make normal stone. You will NEVER run out of stone in AngelBob.

Afterwards, when I have a few more techs and filter inserters, I start feeding crushed stone into liquifiers to be made into mineralized water that then goes into a clarifier to be voided.

Mister Adequate
Oct 29, 2011

that's real fuckin' spooky


Thanks for the input guys, I'm starting a new vanilla game to explore more stuff so for now I won't try any more mods, but thanks for the pointers for the future!

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



These tips in no way will help you make your first Iron plate. The process to craft your first assembler will drive you mad.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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KirbyKhan posted:

These tips in no way will help you make your first Iron plate. The process to craft your first assembler will drive you mad.

Or...start with Quickstart mod with Angelbobs and avoid an hour of self-loathing.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



The self loathing is necessary.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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I didn't say there wouldn't be more self loathing.

Like when you start sorting ores. Or the first time you deal with Angels Petrochem.

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.

Alkydere posted:

Or...start with Quickstart mod with Angelbobs and avoid an hour of self-loathing.

Some day I will remember to install a quickstart mod. The one that gives you a small personal roboport.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the tips regarding dumb filters. It's not remotely pretty, but I at least have the basics of a bus developing. It's amazing how dumb I feel about the game all over again.

Oodles
Oct 31, 2005
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Alkydere posted:

I didn't say there wouldn't be more self loathing.

Like when you start sorting ores. Or the first time you deal with Angels Petrochem.

When I was looking to automate Blue Science iíd got my plates (copper, steel and iron) all sorted. So batteries and motors werenít an issue. However the printed circuit boards that needed plastic needed the whole petrochemical set up, so that took an hour or two.

Then looking to expand my sorters to MK2 required clay, so thatís a whole new chain.

Itís infuriating but satisfying at the same time.

Jeesis
Mar 4, 2010

I am the second illegitimate son of gawd who resides in hoaven.

So I just broke 100 hours of playing this dumb game. Here is my latest abomination that took me something like 3 hours to get where I wanted it and still I am not happy with the outcome.

It is a 4 lane science system that is infinitely scalable in any direction and can be added onto horizontally without any restructuring assuming there is space.

Here is what it looks like in full


I created a blueprint book with individual components broke down to allow for whatever size you desire for anyone interested.

https://pastebin.com/PHS98CAX

Flaws I noticed after completing it. 1. Considering each lane is self contained the self sorting portion using splitters at the top is pointless 2. It can only support 4 lanes but placing a science facility every other space could allow for 6 science packs but that would require losing science facilities and creating a mess that would make it non-scalable. 3. Removing the splitters could allow for loading 2 separate science packs per belt but that would require fuckery with transport belts that would honestly prolly not be too hard. 4. Upgrading it would be a agitating but I am not entirely sure there would be any benefit other than getting the items to blob faster from the entrance belts, but once they are going through the system it should be fine as there is never really any hurry with science packs it would seem. But I assume someone has made a either a mod or a website that converts everything to the next tier in blueprint format.

Anyone else see any glaring flaws in its design?

Jeesis fucked around with this message at Oct 16, 2017 around 10:58

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.


Pillbug

There's no room for beacons. IMO I'd look into designs that have labs steal from each other, which works fine as long as it isn't more than 2 deep.

crackalackin
Sep 15, 2017



Get warehouses - not sure which mod that adds, bobs itself maybe? - and move all the things in there. Then put them into furnaces with normal inserters directly from it before you have filter inserters. It's an ok barrier so you have to hack some stuff together before you can set up real lines. Also never throw away that stone or slag, you'll run out of it faster than you think mid-game


@Jeesis: Does 0.15 not support pass-through science labs now? So an inserter can grab from a full science lab to put it into the next, so you have

B
B
B I SL I SL I SL
B
B
B

B=Belt, I = Inserter, SL = Science Lab

crackalackin fucked around with this message at Oct 16, 2017 around 16:54

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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I've always wondered why people make those massive belt loops for their science when a standard belt buffer works fine. I guess the moving beakers looks pretty but it seems overkill.

Especially when in comparison my science labs tend to be tiny and compact:

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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post science setups? k

necrotic
Aug 1, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!

crackalackin posted:


@Jeesis: Does 0.15 not support pass-through science labs now? So an inserter can grab from a full science lab to put it into the next, so you have

B
B
B I SL I SL I SL
B
B
B

B=Belt, I = Inserter, SL = Science Lab

It still works but throughput gets hosed. If they held more than two beakers each then maybe but as is once you get past a handful of labs some will hardly ever run.

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004
£



Have the boiler to steam engine ratios changed now? I just started this game for the first time in forever and everything's different, with steam being a separate resource now can you not have boilers in serial connection anymore?

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.


Pillbug

You can, only boilers are twice as powerful and you stick them sideways and chain the engines to the steam vent so it's 1 boiler to 4 engines

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010


Bhodi posted:

You can, only boilers are twice as powerful and you stick them sideways and chain the engines to the steam vent so it's 1 boiler to 4 engines

Oh, they changed it again? Was this recent?

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.


Pillbug

Back in april, when 0.15 came out. Which is pretty much what everyone is playing now because they changed up the science packs. The picture on the wiki shows the essence of it. You can chain both boilers and steam engines.

https://wiki.factorio.com/Boiler

e: maybe stock is only 1 to 2. I think my recent bobs angels mod broke my brain about this, they changed up the ratios and have mk2 versions of everything.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

i thought it was 1:2

and yeah they changed how steam works in 0.15 -- the boilers themselves are much bigger now

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I'll be on me best behavior!


Stock boilers are 1 boiler to 2 engines, and you can run 20 boilers off 1 off-shore pump.

nature6pk
May 26, 2006
Left Coast Lame-o

Delving into an angel bobs game, is there any point in powdering Ore? Or am I reading the math wrong and it's worth the extra step?

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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nature6pk posted:

Delving into an angel bobs game, is there any point in powdering Ore? Or am I reading the math wrong and it's worth the extra step?

Powdering? You mean sorting it (albeit the sorter is a big grinder machine)? It basically gives you 1.5x ore, at least with iron and copper ore.

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nature6pk
May 26, 2006
Left Coast Lame-o

Processing the metal ores, and yes, apparently I've been working too hard and hosed up the math.

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