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Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


Filthy Monkey posted:

I bought the game yesterday, which caused yesterday to quickly disappear. Definitely fun, and I can see burning a lot of time on this. It is easily better than most greenlight games, and should be a lock for getting on steam. This game has to eventually make it big.

I spent a lot of time fumbling with figuring out how to effectively use both sides of conveyer belts. I've occasionally built a small extra extra section so that my belts can meet at a right angle rather than a curve, so that my resource is moved from the outside to the inside of the belt.

I've been good at automating red research, but have been lazy with green research so far, stocking the factories by hand. I think I need to spread my factories out more, and not be worried about keeping things compact.

Try this:



All splitters do is equally divide items between two belts, keeping them in the same lane. This trick just splits the belt into 2 and immediately merges the two so they are running on only one belt. Great way early on to increase capacity without circuits or chests/etc.

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iopred
Aug 14, 2005

Heli Attack!

Elfface posted:

Without logistics robots, you can use Smart Inserters to only take certain things, so a chest with three outputs and one input can work. I've been pondering a setup with 'branches' to different mini factories, which then branch off to final products.

The tricky part is, without robots the only way to make the inserters stop is to have no more room. so you still have a big line of stuff.

You can actually do this very easily with every chest type.

Press the big red X on a chest, and you can close some of the slots. Doing this allows you to restrict how many stacks get added to a chest.

edgeman83
Jul 13, 2003


This game is absolutely blowing up... at least on the people I have subscribed to on Youtube. At least 4 people have posted videos in the last week or two playing the game. Hopefully this turns into a Banished-like event when it gets on Steam and it stays stuck at #1 for multiple weeks.

UberJumper
May 20, 2007
woop

I restarted after someone posted a really amazing island start (one path off the island).

I finally managed to finish my first T3 automated science pack factory:



It is a huge mess, and my biggest problem right now is that i have iron plates being split off into multiple side paths. However splitters split 50% of the amount between each of the belts, which starves the much later belts that need iron plates.

What i really want is to be able to produce all the intermediatery products in a single area and have those items shipped to place where all those materials are put together.

This game brings out the absolute worst OCD in me.

Filthy Monkey
Jun 25, 2007



Retro42 posted:

Try this:



All splitters do is equally divide items between two belts, keeping them in the same lane. This trick just splits the belt into 2 and immediately merges the two so they are running on only one belt. Great way early on to increase capacity without circuits or chests/etc.
Neat. Appreciate the tip. I definitely think it is something I will use. I got as as far as the mission where you get to the destroyed base and have to research train technology. Hoping to progress more tonight.

edgeman83 posted:

This game is absolutely blowing up... at least on the people I have subscribed to on Youtube. At least 4 people have posted videos in the last week or two playing the game. Hopefully this turns into a Banished-like event when it gets on Steam and it stays stuck at #1 for multiple weeks.
This game has real potential to go big for an indie title. I do feel like one they get it on steam it is going to explode. I already think this is a better game than banished.

Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at May 8, 2014 around 17:30

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

If I buy this now, will I get a steam key as soon as it becomes available on greenlight/early access or will I have to wait for full release? Or do we know yet?

milward
Nov 5, 2009


This sounded very much like my type of thing. Tried the demo and promptly bought the game.

Now to sperg out and lose sleep over configurations.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.


Ciaphas posted:

If I buy this now, will I get a steam key as soon as it becomes available on greenlight/early access or will I have to wait for full release? Or do we know yet?

quote:

In case we manage to get on the Steam in the future you will also get a steam key.

I'd say yes.

I don't like how every game of this type has to have combat. I know you can turn it of but some of the later research apparently needs you to kill alien, so you can't just remove it completely. though I guess I could turn the enemy evolution off via the console to make it simpler.

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

It has a 'peaceful mode' where the enemies still spawn, but never leave their camps to attack. Hunt them as needed.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.


Elfface posted:

It has a 'peaceful mode' where the enemies still spawn, but never leave their camps to attack. Hunt them as needed.

Is that how it works? the way the tooltip is phrased it sounds like once you attack them they work as normal.

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny


Hel posted:

Is that how it works? the way the tooltip is phrased it sounds like once you attack them they work as normal.

They aggro when you attack them, but only the ones attached to that "complex". Go out in your jeep and find a singleton nest, ram it over and gun down the survivors. The nest is where the artifacts are, anyway.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.


LordSaturn posted:

They aggro when you attack them, but only the ones attached to that "complex". Go out in your jeep and find a singleton nest, ram it over and gun down the survivors. The nest is where the artifacts are, anyway.

Aah, that sounds quite nice actually, thanks. Now to build up an arsenal.

90_Minute
Oct 22, 2008


UberJumper posted:

It is a huge mess, and my biggest problem right now is that i have iron plates being split off into multiple side paths. However splitters split 50% of the amount between each of the belts, which starves the much later belts that need iron plates.

I'm just starting out with this so I could be totally off, but couldn't you use a series of splitters to get more granular proportions?

So split the stream into A and B, each of which has 50%. Then split B into B1 and B2, each with 25% of the original. Then feed B1 back into A and you're at 75/25%. With a couple more stages you could control this down to single digit percentages.

Anyway, just wondering if something like that would work. Your idea of centralized distribution would probably be much cleaner though.

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

Aha, I found my huge mess! First factory to make blue science packs.



Not pictured are the two off-screen chemical plants responsible for batteries, several fields of power generators, copper mine a few hundred belt-spaces away from the base and massive backlog hurriedly picked up so the gif would actually be animated.

Flying-PCP
Oct 2, 2005


edgeman83 posted:

This game is absolutely blowing up... at least on the people I have subscribed to on Youtube. At least 4 people have posted videos in the last week or two playing the game. Hopefully this turns into a Banished-like event when it gets on Steam and it stays stuck at #1 for multiple weeks.

Only catch is that some of the most popular channels do the zero-editing, from the beginning Let's Play thing, and that is really not the way to showcase this game in a reasonable length video. Sips just released a video on the Yogscast channel that illustrates the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBh3Fn_25OQ

I know we're all conditioned to ignore youtube comments, but it's still kind of disheartening. It's not even "poo poo sucks, kill yourself" type comments, just "I do not like this game, please play something else", which actually feels more damning somehow. The guy did a bunch of videos of some "prison architect" game I'm not familiar with, so it's not like he's never shown building/management based games before. I just hope he does a little research before the next video and shows some reasonable small-scale automation of red/green vial production, so at least the set of his subscribers that would like this can see how it really works.

Funny how this game is way more effective at making me feel like a moron than any Braid/Portal/Swapper type of game. Mostly because I see some of the more elaborate setups people put together and think "why can't I figure that out". Sometimes I copy other people's effective designs in other "building" games, but something about Factorio makes me feel like I'd be regressing to my middle school cheat-code-using days if I did that here. The whole point seems to be, what can *I* figure out.

Flying-PCP fucked around with this message at May 8, 2014 around 19:35

milward
Nov 5, 2009


Does more labs increase the research speed?

And I did my first silly mistake, I figured each color of beakers went to different labs so I made an intricate network to feed to 2 sets of labs. It did not work that way

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


milward posted:

Does more labs increase the research speed?

And I did my first silly mistake, I figured each color of beakers went to different labs so I made an intricate network to feed to 2 sets of labs. It did not work that way

As far as I can tell yes more labs do increase research speed, but only labs with all the necessary types of science packs will conduct research. So if you're researching something that needs red and green science packs, 6 labs will research faster than 4 if you have enough green and red packs for both, but if you only have enough green packs to keep 4 labs going then 2 of your labs aren't doing poo poo (and probably causing a backlog of red packs to build up because they won't use more red packs without some green packs too, in the same way a furnaces will not smelt and take in more metal if it doesn't have coal to go with it).

edit: unrelated but restarting for the millionth time, I've realized you can make mining drills output directly into furnaces which makes the early game a lot less of a pain in the rear end when you're waiting for burner drills to slowly mine everything and you have no conveyor belts

Pornographic Memory fucked around with this message at May 8, 2014 around 20:17

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004




Pornographic Memory posted:

edit: unrelated but restarting for the millionth time, I've realized you can make mining drills output directly into furnaces which makes the early game a lot less of a pain in the rear end when you're waiting for burner drills to slowly mine everything and you have no conveyor belts

Just be aware that one burner miner can supply two furnaces, so you're only at half speed while direct connecting them.

Filthy Monkey
Jun 25, 2007



I am at the point where I need to put supplies in the car inventory. I can click on the car, open the trunk, but when I put stuff inside it, the total count goes down. What gives?

UberJumper
May 20, 2007
woop

90_Minute posted:

I'm just starting out with this so I could be totally off, but couldn't you use a series of splitters to get more granular proportions?

So split the stream into A and B, each of which has 50%. Then split B into B1 and B2, each with 25% of the original. Then feed B1 back into A and you're at 75/25%. With a couple more stages you could control this down to single digit percentages.

Anyway, just wondering if something like that would work. Your idea of centralized distribution would probably be much cleaner though.

You are a smart goon. That works, sadly it is ugly as hell. What i would really like is a tier 4 splitter, that lets you set a percentage.

I am debating if it is worth it to continue this game, the nearest iron ore aside from the little i have left on my island area is really really far away. Even then it is a tiny little patch, i haven't found anymore the further i go.

Is there a way to restart a freeplay map?

Crimson Harvest
Jul 14, 2004

I'm a GENERAL, not some opera floozy!


Lipstick Apathy

Filthy Monkey posted:

I am at the point where I need to put supplies in the car inventory. I can click on the car, open the trunk, but when I put stuff inside it, the total count goes down. What gives?

If you get in the car, it adds the car's inventory to the totals.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass


Finally figured out a red/green setup for new hope that I'm mostly happy with:



The main snag is I don't have nearly enough iron, especially with the secondary objective, but oh well

Rapacity
Sep 12, 2007
Grand

UberJumper posted:

Is there a way to restart a freeplay map?

I saw a post about this on the forum the other day and the dev posted this:

"If you have the save, you can take the level-init.dat out of the savegame, rename it to blueprint.dat and put it under some name (directory) into the scenarios directory. You should be able than to play that as scenario."

I haven't tried it personally. I'm glad to see this game is still attracting new people because it's probably the best sandbox game I've ever played and it's come a long way since I got it ages ago. Should make the devs rich.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

Elfface posted:

Aha, I found my huge mess! First factory to make blue science packs.



Not pictured are the two off-screen chemical plants responsible for batteries, several fields of power generators, copper mine a few hundred belt-spaces away from the base and massive backlog hurriedly picked up so the gif would actually be animated.

I keep seeing GIFs like this of this game and that old cartoon "industry/factory/building something" music keeps playing in my head. It's sort of wonderful.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Is there a wiki that details how each of the parts works?

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

Ciaphas posted:

I keep seeing GIFs like this of this game and that old cartoon "industry/factory/building something" music keeps playing in my head. It's sort of wonderful.

If you mean our rival site's classic http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/ then we think alike.


And there's a wiki, yes. http://www.factorioforums.com/wiki/
I recommend the 'dicking around' approach first though. You're only new once!

Filthy Monkey
Jun 25, 2007



Man, this collection mission (the 2500 piercing rounds + other stuff), really blindsided me with how much production capacity it requires. I've been playing a while, and I only have half of the ammo. Should have built bigger. I feel like this is the first really major mission of the game so far.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was fucking sick of looking at Boris's fucking face. So I changed it to my muse and future lover.


Ciaphas posted:

I keep seeing GIFs like this of this game and that old cartoon "industry/factory/building something" music keeps playing in my head. It's sort of wonderful.

This one?

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

Mah spoon is too big!



Dollars to donuts it's this.

s1ppycup
Jul 31, 2010


Flying-PCP posted:

Only catch is that some of the most popular channels do the zero-editing, from the beginning Let's Play thing, and that is really not the way to showcase this game in a reasonable length video.

I'm probably guilty of this as well. I considered jumping straight into a save with a large base already humming along, and in retrospect I sort of wish I had. I think for future videos I'm going to keep recording paused the majority of the time, and only resume when I've reached a milestone or need to talk about what I'm working towards. As a viewer, is that something like what you're looking for?

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

Breetai posted:

Dollars to donuts it's this.

I'll confirm/deny soon as I get home from work and I can actually see youtube again. ()

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004




Breetai posted:

Dollars to donuts it's this.

This needs to be this game's soundtrack, just looped forever.

Gendal
Aug 3, 2007


Pretty sure this is the greatest game of all time already, and they are still developing like mad.

My saved game hours reveal my total obsession with the game the past week and I keep learning new and awesome things.

Look at what this guy did over on reddit, he turtles a base with blueprints and it is a thing of beauty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmJK_Uh4KB0

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

Now that I'm finally back from work...

Breetai posted:

Dollars to donuts it's this.

It is indeed this I was thinking of, specifically the bit starting at 1m13s. Just loop that in the background Factorio guys, you're pretty much done with the music.

Filthy Monkey
Jun 25, 2007



Finally have my first fully automated green and red science-generating machine. Not a huge accomplishment, I know, but before this I was being lazy and manually making some of the parts for the greens.



Basically saying 'gently caress being space efficient' now too, and just splitting off any main line, doing my processing, and chucking that product back into a new belt on the center line. Think my machine needs more iron plate input though.

What is it that makes the enemies start coming, exactly? I haven't seen any in this game yet.

Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at May 9, 2014 around 05:45

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

The alien natives are attracted to pollution. So spreading out is also a good way to reduce attacks, and they generally go for the same places once they start.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011


A friend-tip for laboratories is to have boxes to collect excess science fluid and have your labs feed from the boxes as needed, this way you don't wind up with belts full of science fluid with nowhere to go.

Pyromancer
Apr 29, 2011

This man must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart

What are good uses for light and heavy oil before cracking tech is open? I found that I need a crapload of gas for batteries and plastics to get blue vials but no real use for the other oil fractions(fuel blocks? but I got plenty of coal for fuel).

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

gently caress, this game looks like it has become a lot better. Graphics look a lot better than before.

I used to have dreams of loving ore factories

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Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.


Pyromancer posted:

What are good uses for light and heavy oil before cracking tech is open? I found that I need a crapload of gas for batteries and plastics to get blue vials but no real use for the other oil fractions(fuel blocks? but I got plenty of coal for fuel).

Heavy oil is needed for lubricant but I think the only use for that is electric motors and since you can't make electric trains I've found no use for it in huge quantities. Solid fuel is actually pretty good since it's worth 3 times as much as coal in fuel value. Or you can just us the heavy and light oil instead of water in your steam engines.

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