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Kenning posted:Yo jury duty owns like hell though. It's bullshit that it can really gently caress with people's livelihood, and that's the pits, but I loved doing jury duty. It's so weird and cool to do something totally different with your day and encounter all sorts of weird people. I'd love to do jury duty again post-pandemic, especially since the trial I was chosen for got...cancelled or whatever after only 1 day of proceedings. I might have agreed with you if my first and only trial so far hadn't been a month-long emotional clusterfuck that eventually ended with the judge throwing out our (guilty) verdict for lack of evidence Just, like, give me embezzlement or some low-key poo poo this time, please 
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I've gotten called for two asbestos trials in San Francisco. The first one I begged off because I was job hunting and dropping interviews for 6-8 weeks could leave me homeless. The second one, pretty much everyone in the jury pool told the defendant's attorney that if their client took prompt and effective measures to mitigate asbestos harm as soon as they learned about it then they were okay. And if they hadn't, go over to the plaintiff's table right now and start writing numbers on sticky notes. They settled overnight. We showed up and got sent right home the second day.
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Jul 14, 2020 03:25
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Go to jury duty. Think about the ridiculous people out there who'd get selected in your place, and realize that you'd want yourself on the jury if the tables were turned (I'm assuming that you're not sexist/racist/homophobic/always take the cop's word at face value). Plus you might get lucky and get a drug case where you can use your jury nullification powers to gently caress up a DA's W/L record so they'll maybe reconsider trying someone for it in the future.
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Jul 14, 2020 03:30
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Highbrow Slick posted:Whatever happened to that Cal/OR/WA/NV virus response collab? Best I can figure is Trump stopped confiscating med supplies to give to Kushner and there wasn't a need to band states together against the Gov's idiotic online auction logistics site.
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OC Board of Education Recommends Return To School Without Masks Or Social Distancingquote:Most of the discussion from the board focused on the fact that the decisions made were only guidelines and were not enforceable, leaving the final decision for individual school districts to make on their own.
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Jul 14, 2020 04:29
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lol but also rip
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Jul 14, 2020 05:03
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Boredumb posted:OC Board of Education Recommends Return To School Without Masks Or Social Distancing lmfao destroy orange county
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Jul 14, 2020 05:17
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True life my cousins grew up in Coto de Caza, which is like peak OC, and I really like them as people, and they have way more money than me, but they seem legit totally miserable.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:33
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I know a guy who lives adjacent to that place. I think specifically to be as close as possible to that place which probably tells you everything you need to know about his outlook on life. he's a libertarian, surprise He's a huge wine head so I thought I would get his opinion on what wine to pick up for a 20 spot when visiting the family in the Midwest. I got a huge screed about how no wine is good below $200 a bottle, and to not waste my money.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:38
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Cup Runneth Over posted:lmfao destroy orange county
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Jul 14, 2020 05:47
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Orange County is pretty much a microcosm of America: mostly populated by decent working class people but run by the most insufferable white suburbanites imaginable.
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Jul 14, 2020 06:17
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Please do not talk badly about Orange County thank you. Steve Rocco quote:In 2004, Rocco was elected to Orange Unified School District despite making no public appearances or comments about his candidacy. Although some, were not sure if he would even show up to the board meetings, he did so, and with a theatricality whereby he made speeches about conspiracy theories involving charter schools, his father's death, and a group of politicians and other leaders he calls The Partnership, which he claimed was trying to control the United States and kill Rocco for speaking out against them. Soon, an attempt to recall Rocco was established but failed to garner enough signatures to be put on the ballot. The board did vote to censure Rocco, to which Rocco responded by suing the board, but he lost the case in court.
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Jul 14, 2020 06:18
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I got called to one asbestos appeal in SF where they called 2 full panels (80 people) for one jury and I wasn’t selected. I then got called for another trial where they called our group to get ready to go to the court room, but the judge came down and was like “yo so, you know how they say 80% of life is just showing up? Lol both sides wanted to go to trial up until I told them we had a pool ready for selection then they settled 15 min ago. Enjoy not doing jury duty for a year”
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Jul 14, 2020 06:56
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I'd like to do jury duty, but LOL nobody I've ever worked for paid for it.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:05
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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I was on a three-week trial for attempted murder just about a year ago. Everyone involved on all sides was a total rear end in a top hat and I would have loved to have convicted the victim too but had to settle on convicting the accused.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:38
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My dad was once on a jury for a hit-and-run that resulted in a death. He said it was completely obvious to everyone that the accused was a complete rear end in a top hat and must have done it, but the DA's lawyer was so utterly incompetent that there was almost no evidence that he was guilty, even though he was obviously guilty, so he got acquitted. Jury trials are extremely weird.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:43
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Kenning posted:there was almost no evidence that he was guilty, even though he was obviously guilty. Nice try
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Jul 14, 2020 07:44
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 That's just the story my dad told, idk this happened like 25 years ago.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:52
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You and your dad are part of the problem. HTH.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:54
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It sounds like the dad was on a jury that decided to acquit a probably-guilty defendant because the prosecutor didn't prove the case. That's actually an example of his dad doing the right thing.
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Jul 14, 2020 08:03
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Jury trials are actually bad it's just every other method is equally if not more bad because criminal justice is inherently unjust due to baked in prejudice, political wrangling, and economic influence. Asking folks without necessary knowledge or expertise to decide the life or death fate of others just generally ends up being decided based on performative arts, preconceived bias, and the charisma of the lawyers and involved parties.
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Jul 14, 2020 08:05
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runoverbobby posted:probably-guilty defendant because the prosecutor didn't prove the case. They're not probably guilty if there's no evidence. What is wrong with you? Kenning posted:there was almost no evidence that he was guilty
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Jul 14, 2020 08:06
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droll posted:They're not probably guilty if there's no evidence. What is wrong with you? I think you're being unduly literal. The poster's implication was that the DA did a lovely job presenting the evidence. If there was no evidence at all, be upset with the judge who allowed the case to get past a preliminary hearing, not with the jury who held the DA accountable.
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Jul 14, 2020 08:13
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Sorry, the prosecutor failed to provide evidence that matched the standards of guilt required by the law. The instinct of the jury was that the dude was probably guilty, but because the prosecutor failed to demonstrate that beyond a reasonable doubt they acquitted. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is a relatively high standard of proof, and it's appropriate to use such a standard when the consequences involve incarceration etc. There's a reason that many criminal cases that result in acquittal are followed by civil cases (which use lower standards of proof) that result in liabilities. It's not a moral failing for a jury in criminal case to instinctively "know" that someone did the thing they were accused of, but acquit them of it because the prosecution failed to provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. That's actually an instance of a jury trial working fairly well, while encompassing the nuance and complexity of human life. You stupid troll dipshit.
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Jul 14, 2020 08:16
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What are you talking about? The jury found them not guilty because there was no evidence. OP is saying that they were totes guilty though because dad had *feelings*. We're done here. I'm a troll because the system worked to not let someone that wasn't absolutely positively guilty go to prison unfairly. You white cunts. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 14, 2020 08:17
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droll posted:What are you talking about? The jury found them not guilty because there was no evidence. OP is saying that they were totes guilty though because dad had *feelings*. We're done here. I'm a troll because the system worked to not let someone that wasn't absolutely positively guilty go to prison unfairly. You white cunts.
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Jul 14, 2020 11:18
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Christ you pedantic fucks. This isnt hard to understand what the OP meant.
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Jul 14, 2020 11:57
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droll posted:What are you talking about? The jury found them not guilty because there was no evidence. OP is saying that they were totes guilty though because dad had *feelings*. We're done here. I'm a troll because the system worked to not let someone that wasn't absolutely positively guilty go to prison unfairly. You white cunts. Ah, good ol' misogyny.
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Jul 14, 2020 13:49
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I'm loving that they extended expiring drivers licenses for one year... but only for the olds. That's loving brilliant, guv.
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Jul 14, 2020 14:47
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Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:I'm loving that they extended expiring drivers licenses for one year... but only for the olds. That's loving brilliant, guv. It's because the olds can't renew online.
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Jul 14, 2020 15:24
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In other Cali news brush fires are cropping up. Here in the north Bay once again we feel the cleansing flames.
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Jul 14, 2020 16:17
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CPColin posted:It's because the olds can't renew online. Neither can I because I need to update to a real ID. 
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Jul 14, 2020 16:45
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:In other Cali news brush fires are cropping up. Here in the north Bay once again we feel the cleansing flames. Oh for real? Is it time for the yearly cleansing fires? Maybe we can burn the virus to death.
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Jul 14, 2020 16:50
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Sydin posted:Neither can I because I need to update to a real ID. The feds delayed the RealID deadline a year because of Coronavirus
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Jul 14, 2020 16:53
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Can't wait to have to double up with a cloth mask for the Rona over an N95 for the smoke.
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Jul 14, 2020 16:53
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You also can't do it online when the 2FA fails to authenticate.
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Jul 14, 2020 16:53
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The Glumslinger posted:The feds delayed the RealID deadline a year because of Coronavirus Oh, word? Maybe I'll try then. It expires in December and I'm not interested in camping out at 3AM just to have a shot in the dark at maybe getting it taken care of. Still doesn't help that my picture is so outdated that I get people scrutinizing my ID for alcohol purchases despite the fact that I'm several times closer to 30 than under 21, but hey it can't all be perfect. 
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Jul 14, 2020 16:55
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Sydin posted:Neither can I because I need to update to a real ID. I stuck with my fake ID 
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Jul 14, 2020 16:57
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CPColin posted:I stuck with my fake ID It’s 2020, I have a surreal ID.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:In other Cali news brush fires are cropping up. Here in the north Bay once again we feel the cleansing flames. I heard that coronavirus can't survive in fires
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