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Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


Last I heard he was still technically under Glory contract, but it's non exclusive and Bellator pay him more money to fight in his back yard in fights arranged by his manager

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vainman
Nov 2, 2012

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

Bellator is trying to break into Italy so they might be paying him pretty well just to show up

He's pretty old now

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Triticum Guzzler posted:

imo kickboxing is really easy to watch as a sport, but really hard to watch as an entertainment product where you have to hunt it down on weird foreign streaming sites like a truffle pig. it's more like bowling where it's very percussive and easy to see and understand what's happening, but occasionally the mafia burn the alley down for insurance money.

Jesus Christ make this the OP. I would actually watch kickboxing instead of Cops re-runs.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010


Triticum Guzzler posted:

imo kickboxing is really easy to watch as a sport, but really hard to watch as an entertainment product where you have to hunt it down on weird foreign streaming sites like a truffle pig. it's more like bowling where it's very percussive and easy to see and understand what's happening, but occasionally the mafia burn the alley down for insurance money.

It's easy to watch in that it's two dudes trying to knock each other out, but it's hard to watch in comparison to boxing because of all the extra elements. There's way way more going on. I like to think I can follow boxing tactics, combinations and defence, I can't for the life of pick up on what kickboxers are trying to do. For example that high kick knock down or flying knee, how do you mimic or train for that, and how do you in the middle of a brawl decide to throw it. Its mental, next level stuff to boxing.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



willie_dee posted:

It's easy to watch in that it's two dudes trying to knock each other out, but it's hard to watch in comparison to boxing because of all the extra elements. There's way way more going on. I like to think I can follow boxing tactics, combinations and defence, I can't for the life of pick up on what kickboxers are trying to do. For example that high kick knock down or flying knee, how do you mimic or train for that, and how do you in the middle of a brawl decide to throw it. Its mental, next level stuff to boxing.

I totally hear what you are saying but after some Muay Thai you'd be amazed how high you can kick on a reflex. I'm amazed more arms aren't broken blocking head kicks.

Unfunny Poster
Apr 10, 2012

I feel like I could... like I could... like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!


Triticum Guzzler posted:

imo kickboxing is really easy to watch as a sport, but really hard to watch as an entertainment product where you have to hunt it down on weird foreign streaming sites like a truffle pig. it's more like bowling where it's very percussive and easy to see and understand what's happening, but occasionally the mafia burn the alley down for insurance money.

It's really odd that so many people don't watch kickboxing but hate on MMA for "the gay wrestling stuff."


Like you'd imagine someone would swoop in and go "here's some kickboxing, enjoy" because stuff like Glory or whatever have put on decent fights ever once in a while. Spike sort of did that but then did the baffling thing of not re-signing Glory to their broadcast deal.

UFC doing the UFC Fight Pass for the GWS though I like and UFC Fight Pass seems to be the go to spot for US people to get all kinds of combat sports stuff (MMA, BJJ, Kickboxing).

Captain Log posted:

I totally hear what you are saying but after some Muay Thai you'd be amazed how high you can kick on a reflex. I'm amazed more arms aren't broken blocking head kicks.

Speaking of Thai kickboxing, I'm going to Bangkok in October and going to hit up Lumpinee because last time I was there I never got to go.

Unfunny Poster fucked around with this message at Feb 16, 2017 around 08:56

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


Let's be honest about Glory though, a lot of it sucks and it isn't fun or interesting to follow on an ongoing basis

Unfunny Poster
Apr 10, 2012

I feel like I could... like I could... like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!


Triticum Guzzler posted:

Let's be honest about Glory though, a lot of it sucks and it isn't fun or interesting to follow on an ongoing basis

I don't think it sucks personally but I can see that argument. The rub is that it's also the biggest named kickboxing org in terms of reaching out to casual fans (eg. me).

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005


I wish they allowed elbows and more clinch work

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

I watch Glory but I'll also admit to being slightly let down by recent shows due to the fairly high bar set by having Glory 33 as my first show. Then again, I might just be spoiled from watching all the old K-1 World GPs recently.

If there is other kickboxing out there with the english commentary and production values similar to Glory then I'm all ears. I love watching it despite not knowing anything about it really.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?


Skip My Posts posted:

I wish they allowed elbows and more clinch work

Wouldn't this be muay thai without leg kicks basically?

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005


Bluedeanie posted:

Wouldn't this be muay thai without leg kicks basically?

Pretty much

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


Skip My Posts posted:

I wish they allowed elbows and more clinch work

the new Japanese promotion KNOCK OUT allows elbows but is also full of the kind of mentally insane Japanese guys who will fight and die for 20k

https://twitter.com/kb_knockout/sta...713430889811968

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005


Triticum Guzzler posted:

the new Japanese promotion KNOCK OUT allows elbows but is also full of the kind of mentally insane Japanese guys who will fight and die for 20k

https://twitter.com/kb_knockout/sta...713430889811968

drat thats tight

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Triticum Guzzler posted:

the new Japanese promotion KNOCK OUT allows elbows but is also full of the kind of mentally insane Japanese guys who will fight and die for 20k

https://twitter.com/kb_knockout/sta...713430889811968

sick elbow tko followed by an anime music pose down is my jam homes

vainman
Nov 2, 2012

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

I feel like the thing holding kickboxing back, besides the obvious like every organization being a money laundering scam that appears and folds by the end of the year, is that it hasn't had a charismatic English speaking champ on like two decades. It's hard for people to get invested in combat sports if the honour of their particular heritage isn't on the line

vainman
Nov 2, 2012

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

It seems to be getting popular in Japan and China now, at least. Maybe Korea?

vainman
Nov 2, 2012

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

Does anyone know what happened to Fang Bian? It seemed like he was going to blow up after wrecking Simon Marcus and then nothing happened

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him


Bluedeanie posted:

Wouldn't this be muay thai without leg kicks basically?

Sorry, I'm confused -- there's no rule about leg kicks in Glory, is there?

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


vainman posted:

Does anyone know what happened to Fang Bian? It seemed like he was going to blow up after wrecking Simon Marcus and then nothing happened

He's big in China and beats the poo poo out of foreigners for Wu Lin Feng. Chinese social media posters voted him as the most popular Chinese fighter in their year end awards stuff. He was just a judge on a kickboxing reality tv show that finished a few days ago that gave out more in prize money than anyone in Glory gets.

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


https://twitter.com/KiksieDB/status/833043316862222336

and check out this dude (only 19 years old)
https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/...024509515010050

vainman
Nov 2, 2012

I find your lack of faith... disturbing

Had no idea kickboxing was doing so well there. Glad that he's doing good

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012


I just heard Yao Ming invested in Glory last year??? Where are they at as far stability and plans going forward right now. They seemed to be doing well around ~2013 with good fighters under contract, good cards, and good tv numbers. It seems like it's been downhill since then. Watching Ricco Verhoeven in a half full arena in Trenton while fun, wasn't encouraging.

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


vainman posted:

Had no idea kickboxing was doing so well there. Glad that he's doing good

An average rating for any of the televised promotions would make tv executives from anywhere else cum out of their eyeballs. Yi Long vs Buakaw did north of 100 million viewers.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Is there some way of actually watching W5 and Wu Lin Feng ? I'm always up for more kickboxing but they don't always make it easy to watch it.

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Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


MrBling posted:

Is there some way of actually watching W5 and Wu Lin Feng ? I'm always up for more kickboxing but they don't always make it easy to watch it.

I know W5 airs on Match (the Russian channel Rizin was on) which people stream pretty frequently. Glory has some kind of Chinese partnership coming up, which might help depending on who it's with. Kunlun I think has their own app to stream fights. But yeah, the Chinese market is generally impenetrable for western viewers for whatever reason. The guy to ask is @KiksieDB on twitter, he's the only non Chinese guy keeping on top of Chinese kickboxing.

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