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yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

i'm in

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packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

oh ar


Morpheus posted:

I'm really getting tired of the hacker sidekick that can hack literally anything. Like, a person that's not just good with computers, they can break into the most secure databases in the world without breaking a sweat, and somehow they're typically either just a nobody or like a student or something.

It's just so boring having a walking plot device to avoid the hero having to actually think about how to do things in the modern world.

In English, please!!!

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters


More like
"this is the most secure system in entire city, I need you to-"
"I'm already in, getting you access now"

Like gently caress off, how lovely is cyber security in your world.

Bonus when they somehow have the ability to like monitor a dozen things at once like camera feeds, GPS, hacking poo poo, alerts, and also have a conversation while using a single monitor (usually a laptop)

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



Morpheus posted:

More like
"this is the most secure system in entire city, I need you to-"
"I'm already in, getting you access now"

Like gently caress off, how lovely is cyber security in your world.

Bonus when they somehow have the ability to like monitor a dozen things at once like camera feeds, GPS, hacking poo poo, alerts, and also have a conversation while using a single monitor (usually a laptop)

I have bad news about real life cyber security.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



packetmantis posted:

In English, please!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73nmMU1LDs

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008


letthereberock posted:


The funny thing is, while the cut is always instantaneous, itís implied that the characters had to travel some distance and time to get there; but their conversation will pick right back up where it was, meaning the two characters did not talk AT ALL the whole trip there. Thereís no way that would happen in real life, the second person at some point would be like ďtell me where the gently caress youíre taking me or Iím not going!Ē

Reminds me of in sitcoms when the characters return home and are always mid conversation like "wow, I can't believe the theme park was closed", implying they never once talked about it on the ride home.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Morpheus posted:

Like, a person that's not just good with computers, they can break into the most secure databases in the world without breaking a sweat

I wanna be honest with all of you. I've been hacking into government and corporate systems all over the country. All over the world. I have discovered more information than any hacker ever has. Ever. What I have found will shock you. Here are the files and supporting documents. And supporting truths. The factual documents. I'm releasing these files to the public today.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007


One of the few genuine good bits in Godzilla vs Kong is the hunt for the wilderpeople kid trying to hack into the super science computer while the other guy yells at him, like, "Aren't you supposed to be mr computer hacker?" and the kid is like "that just means I know how to pirate movies!" and then intentionally dumping a drink all over the keyboard.

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

Oven Wrangler

Annabel Pee posted:

Reminds me of in sitcoms when the characters return home and are always mid conversation like "wow, I can't believe the theme park was closed", implying they never once talked about it on the ride home.

Or when people drive somewhere and right as they are about to arrive they'll say "ok, here is the plan..." I understand it from a pacing standpoint, but it always seems odd in universe that nobody discusses the plan ahead of time (in case they need to grab gear) or at least on the drive over.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

At least sometimes they'll throw in a "Let's go over it again" in those scenes.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Morpheus posted:

Bonus when they somehow have the ability to like monitor a dozen things at once like camera feeds, GPS, hacking poo poo, alerts, and also have a conversation while using a single monitor (usually a laptop)

Lemme tell you something, I used to work for something like a 911 operators office that also handled CCTV for some facilities.

Even with a full team, doing real-time tracking is really, really loving hard.

HINT: If you want to get away with anything, duck in to a bathroom, change your shirt and add or remove a hat.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


That's actually happened a few times, on I think it was NCIS New Orleans. They were trying to find a suspect in a mall, and the dude just strolled into a store, put on a new jacket and hat, and walked right out an exit.

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



Inzombiac posted:

Lemme tell you something, I used to work for something like a 911 operators office that also handled CCTV for some facilities.

Even with a full team, doing real-time tracking is really, really loving hard.

HINT: If you want to get away with anything, duck in to a bathroom, change your shirt and add or remove a hat.

I used to do QA for Panasonic's video camera software division and this is 100% true. Not only are the resolutions often lovely even on very high end cameras, but it's really difficult for the human mind to wrap itself around incomplete camera coverage, even in a building you know really well.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Captain Monkey posted:

I used to do QA for Panasonic's video camera software division and this is 100% true. Not only are the resolutions often lovely even on very high end cameras, but it's really difficult for the human mind to wrap itself around incomplete camera coverage, even in a building you know really well.

Yepppp.
Our solution was to have a team of three, if possible, where the main operator would keep track of the subject as accurately as possible, the person on the left would constantly shift their cameras to where they just were and the person on the right would shift theirs to where they think they are going. Lots of people were lost because we were understaffed, only one person was trying to do all three roles and the subject double-backed in a blind corner.

Having a ground team is much more important than doing camera work, unless you need footage as evidence.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Does that kind of evidence run into the CSI problem where juries think CCTV should be more reliable/comprehensive than it can possibly be? I know that's a thing with DNA evidence where juries sometimes get hung up on thinking the borderline-magical stuff in procedurals is real. Not blaming them either, I mean, that's what it's like on the shows, that purport to be realistic.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"



Inzombiac posted:

Yepppp.
Our solution was to have a team of three, if possible, where the main operator would keep track of the subject as accurately as possible, the person on the left would constantly shift their cameras to where they just were and the person on the right would shift theirs to where they think they are going. Lots of people were lost because we were understaffed, only one person was trying to do all three roles and the subject double-backed in a blind corner.

Having a ground team is much more important than doing camera work, unless you need footage as evidence.

gotta say that as I sit here stewing in interminable meetings that are at best mildly tangential to my actual job, this sounds like a cool fuckin' gig

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE






Illegal Hen

Meanwhile, programs like Adobe are getting to incredible levels of image enhancement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTbrJP5TXs

Yes that's still images vs. video but it's now more "when" the tech will be what we show in media instead of "if."

oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009

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In Schitts Creek, the episodes Iíve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser


oldpainless posted:

Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?

My credulity was strained by Kimís repeated annoyance and coldness to Jimmy in Better Call Saul, only to have her madly in love with him two scenes later.

You can apply this trope to Jesse in Breaking Bad too, heís just a walking gently caress up. Oh, and loving Ziggy in The Wire too, characters that are basically walking conflict points.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006






My favourite hacker dialogue was in the pilot of Kevin Bacon's The Following
Context is Carrol has escaped prison thanks to the library's internet connection

code:
INT. WAREHOUSE - DAY
A LARGE VIDEO MONITOR is filled with digital data. URLS and
IP TEMPLATES. Weston explains to the others.
24.

WESTON
Carroll never visited the same web
address twice which suggests he was
communicating through various URLs.

RYAN
Who with?

WESTON
Thereís the rub. Every time I
access an IP address it mutates.
Itís a fairly sophisticated virus.
Itís gonna take a while.

RYAN
Itís a stalling tactic.

MASON
Yes, a very good camouflage job.

RYAN
Where were the guards when Carroll
was sitting there chatting online?
Who were these idiots? 

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"



oldpainless posted:

In Schitts Creek, the episodes Iíve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?

Johnny Rose is a good businessman but a terrible manager and Stevie doesn't give a poo poo either way.

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009

EEEEEENT
OOOOORT
EEEEEENT
OOOOORT




Android Apocalypse posted:

Meanwhile, programs like Adobe are getting to incredible levels of image enhancement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTbrJP5TXs

Yes that's still images vs. video but it's now more "when" the tech will be what we show in media instead of "if."

But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement.

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters


oldpainless posted:

In Schitts Creek, the episodes I’ve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?

Because otherwise they'd have to interact with him more as he'd always be following them around to talk or complain or whatever.

rydiafan posted:

But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement.

Unless you're dealing with a perfect image, your brain is also guessing to fill in blanks for images that are blurry or slightly pixelated or whatever.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



Torquemada posted:


You can apply this trope to Jesse in Breaking Bad too, he’s just a walking gently caress up. Oh, and loving Ziggy in The Wire too, characters that are basically walking conflict points.

Ziggy is there because his dad is the boss.

The world is full of Ziggy's.

He's also got a lot of pararels with D'angelo Barksdale who isn't very interested in a life of crime and isn't really cut out for it but stays because it's the family business and what he was born into.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






Torquemada posted:


You can apply this trope to Jesse in Breaking Bad too, heís just a walking gently caress up. Oh, and loving Ziggy in The Wire too, characters that are basically walking conflict points.

Jesse is no more a gently caress up than Walter is. Arguably even less because, unlike Walter, he doesn't get deeper and deeper in trouble until he have to recruit loving nazis.

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?

Torquemada posted:

My credulity was strained by Kim’s repeated annoyance and coldness to Jimmy in Better Call Saul, only to have her madly in love with him two scenes later.

You can apply this trope to Jesse in Breaking Bad too, he’s just a walking gently caress up. Oh, and loving Ziggy in The Wire too, characters that are basically walking conflict points.

The entire conflict around Ziggy is that everyone realizes he's an absolute gently caress up and no one gives him any responsibilities. His entire fall is triggered by his fairly competent cousin cutting him entirely out of the loop while still taking care of him, which is a blow his pride can't take.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Ziggy was pretty competent with the car heist. He was just completely unsuited to be a stevedore and had a massive chip on his shoulder about it

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


HopperUK posted:

Does that kind of evidence run into the CSI problem where juries think CCTV should be more reliable/comprehensive than it can possibly be? I know that's a thing with DNA evidence where juries sometimes get hung up on thinking the borderline-magical stuff in procedurals is real. Not blaming them either, I mean, that's what it's like on the shows, that purport to be realistic.

It's not nearly as bad as the DNA issue you described. The prosecution team is responsible for requesting the timeframe and areas they want footage from. There's just too much for them to say "give us absolutely everything from the past year". I haven't seen it in court but from what I know it is usually framed against a social media post or other info that ties that person to the footage without any doubt. Like if they are at an airport, their check-in is solid enough proof to place them in a space at a specific time.

Rockman Reserve posted:

gotta say that as I sit here stewing in interminable meetings that are at best mildly tangential to my actual job, this sounds like a cool fuckin' gig

It really was. I loved it for the most part except the hours were unpredictable, the pay was poo poo and the surrounding environment was so toxic that I've been in therapy for a few years now.
There was a lot to like. Every day was something new, you had to think on your feet, be creative and have ice water for blood. A lot of people thought they could hack it but would wash out after a couple months. Some days absolutely nothing happened, so you'd do your regular reports and then play video games and the boss wouldn't give a poo poo.

rydiafan posted:

But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement.

These types of programs are very interesting but you've hit the nail on the head, legally speaking. You could offer this in court but it would have to be backed-up with a lot of other material in order to be convincing. Any half-decent defense attorney will make your argument and cast very strong doubt without much fuss. If you took a 15x15p picture of a face from a security system, you could train an AI upscaler to make them look like just about anyone, if you're devoid of integrity.

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letthereberock
Sep 4, 2004



oldpainless posted:

In Schitts Creek, the episodes Iíve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?

Roland is a screwup and a pretty gross person but heís also had Johnny Roseís back at some crucial times throughout the series so itís understandable Johnny would still include him.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Alhazred posted:

Jesse is no more a gently caress up than Walter is. Arguably even less because, unlike Walter, he doesn't get deeper and deeper in trouble until he have to recruit loving nazis.

Hell, multiple times Jesse almost gets better, but Walt drags him back down. Jesse's main problem outside of his existing addictions is Walt's psychological abuse.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

I was going to make that argument, but he did leave the RV keys in the ignition which is pretty gottdang dumb tbh

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?

christmas boots posted:

Ziggy was pretty competent with the car heist. He was just completely unsuited to be a stevedore and had a massive chip on his shoulder about it

He pulls off the actual heist part ok, and then proceeds to drive one of the stolen cars as a personal vehicle and totally get dunked on during the negotiations.

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christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Silly Newbie posted:

He pulls off the actual heist part ok, and then proceeds to drive one of the stolen cars as a personal vehicle and totally get dunked on during the negotiations.

Fair. I guess my point is that Ziggy isn't totally incompetent and he probably could have done fairly well in a different environment than the one he was in.

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