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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Henchman of Santa posted:

In early Season 2 of Six Feet Under, a football player dies and his lifespan is given as 1981-2001. In the next scene David says he was 21 years old. Come on, Six Feet Under.

He wasnt academically gifted and was held back a year in school, so he actually had to repeat 1994.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Leper Residue posted:

You want to tell your kids about sex and bird sex, that's fine. That's not even what I have the issue with.

I rewatched it again, but Happy Feet has a bunch of really weird poo poo in the beginning intro. From prince, to Salt N Peppa, but it's basically about a whole bunch of guy penguins wanting to gently caress a girl penguin and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcHTn5HXSK0

Also Robin Williams character is called Lovelace.

I mean, you get that "lets talk about sex" and Prince used to be played on the radio, right? Without being bowlderised to "lets talk about <whatever they said in the dancing penguin movie>". I'm sorry tipper gore, but I really think the ship has sailed on "Bringing up your kids as if they live in some imaginary pseudo victorian bubble where table legs are covered up in case that makes you feel weird in what, if absolutely forced to by circumstances you would refer to as your unmentionables".

And if you associate Lovelace with Linda before Ada, then I think that says more about you than the movie to be honest.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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EmmyOk posted:


Ok so how come the human torch is beloved in the Marvel world?

Comic Geeky Answer: Depends. There is one version where Mr Fantastic explains to the reader (by virtue of telling the story to his infant daughter) that due to his guilt about being responsible for the accident that gave them powers (and particularly the Thing as he has zero chance of living a normal life) he decided that he would make sure that they became celebrities, looked up to instead of feared and hated like the mutants are. Hence calling himself "Mr Fantastic", leader of the "Fantastic Four", who drives the "Fantasticar" and lives in a building called "4 freedoms plaza" where the top 25 floors are shaped like a giant number 4. Branding to an extent the Kardashians would be faintly embaressed about. Essentially, have you never met someone who was racist but still liked the rock or Sammy Davis Jr, or was homophobic but still liked the guy from big bang theory or some elton john songs or similar? The FF are celebrities.

Having said that, its a big retcon to explain some stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time when creating a comicbook about a family of space explorers to sell to children in the 60s. Over the years the FF have not always been well loved by the people of the marvel universe. Neither have the Avengers (As a group and individually, including captain america), the X-men, Spider-man or really any other characterss.

Mutants are irrationally hated and feared because it is a metaphor for civil rights/homosexuality dependiing on the era. They are also hated and feared because it lets the writers tell a different story from an Avengers or Fantastic Four story. The in-universe explaination is sometimes the fear that mutants could be any one, any where. They could be living in your town, they could be dating your daughter. Your child could turn out to be a mutant even, and what would that say about your genes? Also, the fantastic four very visibly fight cosmic threats (eg Galactus, an enormous planet eating man in a giant purple helmet) and publicly save the earth. The Avengers fight off threats like alien invasions. The X-men... fight mainly other mutants. Mutant on mutant violence doesnt endear mutants (as a group) to the general public. When the X-men do save the world from a huge threat, there is often time travvel/alternate universes/the whole thing happenin light years away so that no-one on earth knows. Plus the human torch doesnt have senators manipulating public opinion against him for nefarious purposes (unlike mutants).

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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LawfulWaffle posted:

Now that I've seen Guardians, I think I'll hope right back on the Marvel train. With this thread fresh in my head, I couldn't stop thinking critically about the movie's use of that Walkman. Super minor spoilers ahead: A lot of this stuff can be disregarded due to it's comic book/movie status, but I bet if you had one(?) tape and constantly carried your sentimental piece of Earth tech on your waist, one or both would be destroyed within 26 years. The tape from wear, the Walkman from rolling around and getting into fights.


Discussion of above super-minor spoiler (seriously, its not a plot point, its in the trailer), but the movie has been out about a week, so: I'm pretty sure that in super advanced marvel universe outer space there are people who could fix a walkman. The reason we dont isnt because its some unfixable technology, but because it is easier and cheaper to just get a new one. If you are light years from earth and it breaks, get the ships electrician to have a look at it. Now, realistically the tape would have stretched out or got chewed up at some point, but I handwave that one with "Yondu sees 8-year old Peters attachment to the tape, so has the magnetic ribbon treated with some high tech alien chemical to protect it from wear and tear". There is nothing in the movie to support this, but its not completely out of left field.

Jedit posted:

No, I think the Ravagers stole some stuff while they were on Earth and Yondu gave it to Quill when he decided not to turn Quill over to his father. This makes more sense than either of the two alternate explanations for Quill having all kinds of junk but nothing more recent than his abduction, which are that Quill went back to Earth but spent his whole time in thrift stores, or that there is a thriving interstellar market for 80s Earth tat.

That was my take on it too. While they were on earth they boosted some stuff, possibly mutilated some cows and probed some rednecks. They are thieves and scavangers, so while they were on earth anyway, might as well take anything easy to steal and transport, someone might want it. What quill has left is things that either no-one bought or he persuaded them to let him keep.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Yeah, it doesnt matter if you have anything for them to do, Rhinos will always charge.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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TheFallenEvincar posted:

Well which is it in Gladiator and how is it supposed to work? Thumbs up means you DO want the guy to die and thumbs down means you don't? I think the Hollywood version is more...cinematic, if that's the case.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the closest the romans had up to thumbs up/thumbs down was holding out your hand with the thumb either tucked inside the fist (pollux compressed or something like that but more latiny) or with the thumb extended out. The thumbs up/down idea is an invention of much later artists. It was probably an episode of QI, and I'm probably misremembering it at least a bit.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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So the society that consider themselves beacons of truth and justice imprison large numbers of people (who disproportionally dont look like them) in hellish conditions for crimes that doesnt seem to warrant those conditions. Nope, definately no possible message or parallel to be taken from that.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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EvilGenius posted:

The Call of Duty ad, where the guy is just smashing through things and flying through the air is the epitome of what I'm talking about. It's so far removed from real physics, real thought patterns, and real survivability that I can't get into it. In order to feel any sense of thrill, a character has to be in danger. How is he in danger when he can smash through a 8th story opaque wall, and just happen to land on a truck? How can I sense danger when I know that none of the 8 million bullets flying around are going to hit the guy?

You can ordinarilly sense danger? No wonder you find action scenes boring if you are spider-man!

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Murphy Brownback posted:

I am aware of the definition of a metaphor, thanks. As someone else said, this isn't the "rationally irritating movie moments" thread. My rationally irritating thread moment is when people act like a dick spouting out definitions of words we all know the definition of.

I know that they really mean "as soon as possible", I just think it's a stupid way to say it. All I was saying is that when you're working on something, it is helpful to know when the deadline actually is, so you know when/if you need to start cutting corners to get it done in time.

I think if they say "yesterday" as when they need it that its fair to assume you should start cutting the corners immediately because they need the thing in a real big hurry.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Szurumbur posted:

Why didn't they say it yesterday, then?

Poor forward planning and time management skills generally.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Tiggum posted:

Watch Elementary, it's way better.


I like Elementary but it is a 100% by the numbers procedural. Its the mentalist or numbers lie to me or perception or monk or CSI or Castle with the numbers filed off, except they havent bothered to give him "magic face reading powers" or "magic maths powers" or "magic untreated schizophrenia powers" or "magic pseudoscience forensics powers" and have gone straight to "magic crme solving powers" which I imagine saves the writers about 10 minutes per script. As an american take on holmes it could be much worse, its a perfectly watchable procedural, but the average script for it could be made into a script for an episode of half a dozen other shows with more or less a find and replace of character names and inserting the words "We sent the sample to the lab and it told us that" or "I did the math and it told me that" or "if I was writing this as a novel I would have it that" instead of "I deduced that....". A lot of the time they overemphasise what will turn out to be the crucial fact 20 minutes later, which has the effect of making literally everyone in the cast except sherlock look borderline retarded as opposed to making holmes look good.

Its a decent procedural with a really great cast of actors, but as a show it isnt anything particularly special.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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mostlygray posted:

It's worth it to read the stories and novels. In the books, he is almost helpless without Watson. I believe that he actually says that he doesn't know about the rotation of the earth in the books but I'd have to look again. He also depends on Watson for medical knowledge as his understanding is limited to fatal wounds and poison.

He does, its in A Study in Scarlet;

Arthur Conan Doyle posted:

His ignorance was as remarkable as his knowledge. Of contemporary literature, philosophy and politics he appeared to know next to nothing. Upon my quoting Thomas Carlyle, he inquired in the naivest way who he might be and what he had done. My surprise reached a climax, however, when I found incidentally that he was ignorant of the Copernican Theory and of the composition of the Solar System. That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to be to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it.

"You appear to be astonished," he said, smiling at my expression of surprise. "Now that I do know it I shall do my best to forget it."

"To forget it!"

"You see," he explained, "I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort that he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things so that he has a difficulty in laying his hands upon it. Now the skilful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend upon it there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones."

"But the Solar System!" I protested.

"What the deuce is it to me?" he interrupted impatiently; "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work."

Its not massively consistant, I'm pretty sure in other stories he is fairly knowledgeable about contempary politics. Its a few years since I read the books though.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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1redflag posted:

I've always thought it was kind of hilarious how much otherwise viable building space sits idle for ~90% of the work week. I'm sure renting it out to local business owners would gently caress up religious tax exemptions, but drat if there isn't a ton of lost utility through only using a church on Sunday morning/afternoon (and maybe a few hours during the week). Basically, I want to run my office out of the local Catholic church; client interviews in a pew would be awesome.

Please tell me you would be interviewing clients who want payday loans.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Zaphod42 posted:

Its the fact that he can fight tons of dudes just fine (he may as well not be blind except when he's in court) and really pushing things beyond belief (I can smell the cologne of the guy 2 floors down, and I know that he's going door by door because of just how loving sharp my nose is).

That said I wish they didn't bother showing you the 'world on fire' vision at all. He's blind! That's the whole point! Stop trying to un-do that and give him an alternate way to see. That's what makes him unique! Just let him be blind. I don't need radar-vision or fire-vision with my Daredevil.

He knew he was russian because of the cologne. I assumed he knew he was going door to door because he could hear him with his super hearing.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Patattack posted:

Agreed on all counts. Mel Gibson's Max was "mad" in the sense that he was angry at the world, and as a result became a loner. Tom Hardy's Max seems like a legitimately insane person who has forgotten how to interact with other humans.

I guess my ONLY irrationally irritating thing about Fury Road is that I can't quite figure out where it fits in the chronology. Max seems young-ish, and he still has the V8 Interceptor, which was destroyed in Road Warrior, so I thought it might take place between Max Max 1 and 2...but the world itself seems to have fallen apart much more than we saw in Road Warrior. Plus there are some elements that make it seem like it's in the same continuity (Max has the same car, jacket, and leg brace), but other elements (his new flashbacks/implied backstory) make him seem like a reboot of the character.

Apparently Miller has said that it's neither a reboot nor a sequel, just "loosely connected", so I don't know what to make of it. I guess it doesn't really matter, because the movie is incredible.

I remember reading somewhere (I dont remember if this is something that someone connected to the film said or just some fans idea) that the Mad Max films are the wastelands legends of Max. Like these are the campfire stories of this world, so discrepancies with the films not fitting together should be treated like you are reading a collection of myths about Finn MacCool or something.

It was probably just a fan theory based on the bit in Beyond Thunderdome where the children are being told the story of Max, but its a vaguely interesting way of looking at them anyway.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Personally I'd be happy if they just filmed the good bits of the civil war storyline. They could then attach it as a 5 minute stinger on ant man and base the next cap movie on a good story instead.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Zaphod42 posted:

Even worse Bigby (it was Bigby right?) seemed to kinda WANT to hurt himself in the process. That's not somebody you wanna gently caress with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc3E7UkIzt4

Begbie.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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I liked the way the Norton Hulk movie dealt with the origin. They had it as essentially a montage over the opening credits.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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jabby posted:

I always thought that novel hit on the perfect way for him to cheat that fit his personality. He programmed the Klingons to recognise him, and his defense when StarFleet called him on his obvious cheating was that he intended to cultivate such a incredible reputation during his career that the reprogrammed simulation was actually more accurate. It works because he wasn't just being a cheating little poo poo, he genuinely didn't believe the no-win scenario existed and so he and found a way out no-one had considered.

Whereas the Kirk in the rebooted films is just being a cheating little poo poo who didn't care about finding an actual solution.

The kirk who reprogrammed the simulation so the klingons loved him was brought up by both his parents and chose starfleet as his career. The kirk who minimum-efforted the "black screen, klingons disappear" had a dead father, killed while serving in starfleet (in a no-win situation by ambush) and was raised by his mother and stepfather, had issues with authority and only entered starfleet after a bar fight.

Honestly I prefer nu-kirks solution, simply because anyone who declares "I'm going to be so great that everyone will love me and recognise my name" sounds like an absolute oval office you would never get tired of punching. They are both cheating in the same way by hacking the program, at least nu-kirks method is upfront about being a cheat.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Pidmon posted:

You mean like every car crash in every movie ever? Good guys survive, bad guys explode. If you can suspend the cartoon logic of 'lead lined = no rads'...

Isnt that kind of the point though? If the fridge scene was well done, no-one would question it in the same way that we dont question the hero walking away from car crashes or fighting on with a bullet in the shoulder. That is the essential difference between the fridge scene in crystal skull and the raft scene in temple; the raft scene was shot competently enough, and the movie was engaging enough, that people accepted it, whereas the fridge scene had people I know who arent exactly critical viewers reacting with "isnt that some bullshit?" pretty much as their fb status on leaving the cinema.

If a large percentage of viewers can accept one thing but not another, the problem isnt that the audience sucks, its that the film makers didnt do their job well. If the audience were engaged with the movie then they would accept fairly major leaps in logic (both in action and in plot to be fair), if they arent engaged then instead of only thinking of the issues later they see them immediately.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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sharktamer posted:

My favourite batman film is the 1966 Adam West one. Can we have more funny superhero films please? Even loving daredevil is all grimdark with RADICAL flips and poo poo.

Wait, you say that like you were expecting Daredevil to be the funny marvel property. Considering that Daredevils most well known run is Frank Miller thats a really odd assumption to make. Like, I dont necessarily disagree with your general point; Ant-man was a half decent heist movie that happened to be about a guy with a powered suit, GotG was a space opera that happened to be in the same universe as the avengers, there is no reason that they cant go with an out and out comedy, there are characters who would lend themselves well to a movie that was funny without just awkwardly poking fun at superhero cliches. But that was never going to be daredevil. And in any case, I think you have to go some to see marvels cinematic output as grimdark. Daredevil is probably the "Grim 'n Gritty"-est of the properties so far, and compared to the mood DC seem to be shooting for with their movies its sunshine and lollypops.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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dpack_1 posted:

Pretty sure the Desolation of Smaug was in reference to how he had left the surrounding area ever since moving in to the Dwarf Stronghold. Not the fight at Lake Town.

No, the true Desolation of Smaug was inside his heart the whole time.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Depressio111117 posted:

My IMM is that I like Mystery Men but nobody else does.

I mean, the things people are saying about it in this thread are mainly, on an objective level, true, but gently caress it, I love the film anyway despite its flaws.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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BrigadierSensible posted:

I just watched the last of the Harry Potter films and something struck me. It is entirely Euro-centric. Voldemort apparemntly is the most powerful wizard in the world, and wants to take over the world etc. but everything happens in England. And in the previous books/movies no-one really gives half a poo poo about any wizards outside of Europe. (The tri-wizard cup is between an English school, a French school and a *boo hiss* generic Eastern European school. The Quidditch WC final is Ireland vs Bulgaria). Even assuming that Voldemort would take England, then Europe and then the world, surely the rest of the world would send help to the goodie wizards to stop him. But they aren't even mentioned.

Evan a film as jingoistic as Independence Day paid lip servioce to the idea that there are other countries apart from America with the shots at the end of the destroyed spaceships at the Sydney Oprera House etc. But Harry Potter doesn't acknowledge a world outside of twee European white people.

America would probably mobilise wizards to help fight voldemort 2-3 years after the UK did, but hes defeated before that.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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BiggerBoat posted:

There's a lot to get irrationally irritated about Avengers: AOU. For instance, why add he cape if you're not going to do his phasing power?

I dont see the connection between these two things; Why does he need to phase because he has a cape? I know density shifting is his main power in the comics (though for the record he can also fly, is super strong and can shoot a laser from his head-gem thingy), but if they are going to change it for the movie why does that mean they should have dropped the cape from his costume?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Ignite Memories posted:

But who is this mysterious red stranger? Where did he get his agility and web-based abilities?? Please make a movie about that.

He's called "Underoos", they said his name right in the trailer. Probably a deadpool spin off or something, the mask looks similar.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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muscles like this? posted:

Whether or not you like what Felicia Day does by all accounts she's very genuinely into the whole nerd culture. Like, she got the part in the MST3K revival because she met Joel when she was getting an autograph from him at a convention booth.

No-one has made any comment about the person felicia day, but the characters she's played. In supernatural specifically;

Len posted:

Still watching Supernatural and the character played by Felicia Day is grating and needs to stop showing up.

I havent seen her in anything else except Dr Horrible (where she was fine), but man her supernatural character felt like obvious pandering to the worst parts of their fanbase. She just wasnt given a well written character at all, and any episode she was in was immediately sunk by thhe weight of her dreadful nerd hacker character. Of all the female characters they could have left unmurdered and had recur, I have no idea why they thought she was the best one.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Danger Mahoney posted:

Iimm about Jessica Jones first season... She lets like a dozen people die so she can save one girl a fifteen year prison sentence. I thought maybe she had a hangup about killing people, in typical super hero fashion, but then 2/3 through she doesn't hesitate to promise to kill the big bad.

This show is a writing mess. Total poo poo spaghetti.

"Why didnt the character who is shown to have been deeply traumatised by being forced to kill once take the first opportunity to jump back aboard the murder train instead of desperately trying to find a non-murder solution?" - a person with a fantastic grasp of how humans work.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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In stranger things, what happened to the kids dog? It was there in the first 2-3 episodes, then it just isnt any more.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Memento posted:

I saw a clip from an anime of some sort where that was played well. Red dragon the size of a football field gets shot in the elbow by some dudes with an anti-tank missile launcher and it loses its forearm.

Did they then shoot it with another 4 and the anime was over because the dragon was dead?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Its worth mentionng that the guy who is said to have engineered the phone in Agents of SHIELD has a boss who drives a flying car. Like a Chevy which has been converted to fly. And their home base for a while was an invisible jumbo jet. And they are pals with a cyborg. So personally I'm willing to let "long lasting phone battery" slide.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Henchman of Santa posted:

Mike from Stranger Things seems like a terrible dungeon master.

Your final showdown ends in one shot because someone rolled a natural 14? loving amateur hour over here.

In all fairness, I think all D&D players were terrible at that age. What I noticed more was that the first episode had them scrambling to find the result of a dice that was dropped on the floor. If the dice hits the floor you reroll it on the table, everyone knows that.

BROCK LESBIAN posted:

He was just preparing his big finale but the fight ended before he could get there.



Like, for all the things you can say about Captain Boomerang, I dont think anyone can ever question his dedication to his gimmick.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Len posted:

That's a house rule. We play where as long as it can be confirmed by other players it's good.

Of course we also count crooked dice for who goes first in MTG. You add every visible side.

Well then we cant play D&D together. Its nothing personal, I just refuse to play with anarchists.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Thats kind of like saying "Well if sharks can smell blood, how come I've never been attacked when I cut myself shaving?" I think.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Atticus_1354 posted:

Wu Tang are actually prophets from a separate reality.

Tell me you didnt just reveal the Wu Tang secret.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Thaddius the Large posted:


Man, I learn to fly and you bet your rear end I'm going woooooooooo for a real goddamn long time, flying would be amazing!

See, you say that, but Im betting you'd only shout woooooooo until you flew through your first swarm of bugs. Then you'd be investing in goggles and flying with your mouth closed.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Couldnt they just use the holodeck to generate a holographic jizz mopper?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Mu Zeta posted:

Whatever slander happens is for dramatic purpose. On the whole, he's shown to be unequivocally a hero that was hosed over by his government.

The Hamilton musical makes John Adams sound like a bumbling buffoon I don't think anyone is taking offense over it.

If the real story isnt dramatic enough for you, dont tell that story. Plenty of other stories you can tell.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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If "Not being totally engaged with your job", "checking facebook on your phone" and "not giving a poo poo about the kids in jurassic world" are all it takes to be deserving of a gruesome dino-death then I am proper hosed.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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WampaLord posted:

It's not about "deserving" in an actual moral sense. Did a human deserve to die for those crimes? God no.

But in movie logic, this is how the movie tells you "she's not a good person, she is vain and uncaring" so that later when they kill her in an entertaining way you don't sit there crying because the movie killed off the woman who volunteers with puppies and orphans.

Do teens in slasher movies "deserve" to die for having sex or being teenage assholes? No, but that's how movie logic works.

But the point people are making is that the movie didnt do a good job (by movie logic standards) of making her unsympathetic, so when she gets a sadistic death that the camera kind of lingers on it feels very jarring. If they'd had her be actively mean to the kids then I think it would have been less out of place, but from what I remember she comes off as more overwhelmed and unprepared when her boss dumps 2 teenage children on her without warning, and it doesnt jibe with the gleeful portrayal of her death. I'm very aware of the movie logic of slasher films, and that might be why it stood out so much to me; Its like a slasher movie villain saving the most sadistic death for the teen whos "sin" was taking outside food into a movie theatre.

And for the record I liked JW well enough for what it is; a pretty, brainless summer blockbuster where you can watch dinosaurs wreck poo poo.

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