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Vertigo Ambrosia posted:That's what I really don't get; he's refusing to main event a PPV with the world champion Because he already did. And didn't get a PPV bonus for it. Like he and everybody else that works there expected to get. Have any of you even been paying attention to the PPV bonus situation? I get that EC was a few months ago, I just didn't think that was longer than people remember. This isn't a new problem.
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MassRafTer posted:Your contracted downside doesn't matter in reality, everyone who is on the road makes more than that. That's what you make if they don't use you or if you are injured. Your real pay depends on your place on the card, the money drawn at the gate and what percentage WWE devotes to talent pay offs. There is a real issue in WWE right now where talent doesn't know what the PPV "bonus" situation is with the advent of the Network. WWE will randomly decide profits are too low and cut the percentage of money talent makes at the gate as well. On top of that because he's not the champion and not in the main event he's not going to make as much show to show as he'd expect based on the scenario laid out for him when he came in. Everything is interconnected in wrestling. Right now he's not the only guy annoyed at the pay offs as Foley's rant and other recent reports have made clear. well clearly they changed something because he did a 180 on leaving before Payback, but they didn't change quite enough of something to make it worth putting over Bryan.
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Missed the Adam Rose debut, anyone know roughly what page discussion started for what im assuming was something just terrible
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It was pretty good but grumble serious wrestlemans hate fun
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May 6, 2014 04:37
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Shima Honnou posted:Personally I get the feeling that either Batista wasn't watching the product when he decided he wanted to come back, or the deal for him to come back was concluded before the crowd started to really lose their poo poo for Bryan. So he blames Bryan for burying his returning face run. He only has himself to blame. Young Batista also couldn't wrestle, but he looked like a loving monster, had a certain charisma and when he was motivated he could deliver a good performance. Now we have old Batista, who looks like some weirdo, has no charisma and has forgotten everything he might have known about wrestling.
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DannoMack posted:hi please photoshop out batistas pants dont ask why okay  , I guess: http://i.imgur.com/fXyuInF.png
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May 6, 2014 04:38
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Hammerstein posted:He only has himself to blame. Young Batista also couldn't wrestle, but he looked like a loving monster, had a certain charisma and when he was motivated he could deliver a good performance. What were his really good matches outside of with Undertaker?
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May 6, 2014 04:39
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Sweeney Tom posted:Because he already did. And didn't get a PPV bonus for it. Like he and everybody else that works there expected to get. Yeah, but now he's OK with it despite being in an even lower spot on the card despite PPV bonuses still being unclear because...
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May 6, 2014 04:41
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the_american_dream posted:Missed the Adam Rose debut, anyone know roughly what page discussion started for what im assuming was something just terrible It wasn't terrible, it was a Zeb promo and then like a minute of Rose dancing around. Ok, it was kind of terrible.
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May 6, 2014 04:42
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Swagger Dagger posted:It wasn't terrible, it was a Zeb promo and then like a minute of Rose dancing around. It was just kind of... there. Adam Rose should've debuted in a match.
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I wish they'd kept Kane in the suit until after Adam Rose's debut so he could teach Citizen Kane to be a rosebud.
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El Generico posted:Yeah, but now he's OK with it despite being in an even lower spot on the card despite PPV bonuses still being unclear because... 5 foot 8, maybe? 
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El Generico posted:It was just kind of... there. Adam Rose should've debuted in a match. Oh I assumed he did :/
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He showed up, pranced around Zeb, tried to feed him a lollipop and was carried away by a bunny.
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Supreme Allah posted:What were his really good matches outside of with Undertaker? LMS against Cena, several Evolution tags, a PPV match against Punk during Punk's first reign, HBK before the Jericho feud, HHH in the Cell, a tag on the No Way Out that ended the PPV brand split and some matches with Edge.
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Sono posted:
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Supreme Allah posted:What were his really good matches outside of with Undertaker? Now don't be snide, I wanted to be nice and give him the benefit of doubt. Nostalgia does weird things to my memory.
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Hammerstein posted:Now don't be snide, I wanted to be nice and give him the benefit of doubt. Nostalgia does weird things to my memory. Really, I wasn't watching then, I was just asking. MRT gave me some.
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MassRafTer posted:LMS against Cena, several Evolution tags, a PPV match against Punk during Punk's first reign, HBK before the Jericho feud, HHH in the Cell, a tag on the No Way Out that ended the PPV brand split and some matches with Edge. Are we defining really good by 3.5 and above or 4 and above? Let's also discount multi-mans. Okay the series with Cena in 2010 is all 3.5+ Match with Jericho in 08 Cena at Summerslam 08 Edge at NoC 08 Michael at ONS 08 Survivor Series 07 and Cyber Sunday 07 with Taker are both 4.0 Cage match with Edge at ONS 07 is 3.5 Wrestlemania and Backlash with Taker are both 4.0 Triple H at Vengeance was 4.5 And that's it for Singles matches, I'm discounting Fatal Four-Ways Elimination Chambers and Rumbles, but he has a few more with those. Overall, Batista is not bad with a good worker. I'm fairly certain a Bryan match with an in-shape Batista would be a great match.
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Supreme Allah posted:Really, I wasn't watching then, I was just asking. MRT gave me some. There's a really lovely EC match where it's Undertaker, Batista, Big Daddy V, Khali, MVP and Finlay. It's great when Undertaker and Batista start, then turns to poo poo and Undertaker and Batista are the final two and it becomes great again. The period where there's four guys in isn't bad either but it's funny to see how a good big man match turns bad so quickly when Big Daddy V gets involved. May he rest in peace. The finish is also really cool.
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May 6, 2014 05:22
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It's funny because it looked like the moonsault before that was a little botched - either Rollins didn't get the rotation he needed or Harper was too close in. So Rollins just said "gently caress it" landed on his feet instead and did a running SSP.
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May 6, 2014 07:14
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Onmi posted:Mass really loving likes Batista and will defend anything he does to the god damned death. Fans shouldn't think it is okay for WWE to do something scummy to somebody (ANYBODY, whether Batista or Punk or Bryan or Hogan or Yoshi Tatsu) just because those fans don't like the particular wrestler. But then I also like Batista v  v
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Jerusalem posted:Fans shouldn't think it is okay for WWE to do something scummy to somebody (ANYBODY, whether Batista or Punk or Bryan or Hogan or Yoshi Tatsu) just because those fans don't like the particular wrestler. He buried the entire roster, returned out of shape and has been throwing a fit ever since. Excuse me if I don't bust out the worlds smallest violin for the prick. I'm actually mad now, and not simply neutral (which I was when I thought he was leaving) because being pissed off at your pay/promises etc. and walking, sure, you're an rear end in a top hat but it's only a month ahead of schedual anyway, and he at least brought it up with the WWE. But then something changing, and him staying, but not doing the match he was meant to do anyway? What changed, and why was it not enough to put over Bryan again? Especially since he's most likely jobbing to the Shield again at Payback. So I would very much like to know what changed enough to job out for one guy, but not the other.
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Given what we know about WWE, anybody with leverage is more or less justified in using it against management. They've deliberately cultivated an "every man for himself" atmosphere backstage for pretty much their entire history and while people with good spots arguably should look out for their coworkers (if you can even call Batista's maneuvering a betrayal of Bryan, but whatever), they don't have a responsibility to do so. You have to watch your spot, that's how it is. I don't really get the mark hatred for this turn of events given that they would have poo poo all over a Batista / Bryan matchup anyway, even knowing the likely outcome. I don't really believe that management was thrilled to extend the Kane feud, he'll get a better foil in time.
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MassRafTer posted:Yeah it is horse poo poo that the company can tell wrestlers one thing, not live up to their promises and pay the wrestler less than he expects. That being said, I still weirdly take Dave's side on the issue. Coming back, winning the Royal Rumble, then jobbing several PPVs in a row is dumb as gently caress, and lowers his position in the company, which would cause him to make far less money than he otherwise would. He's not a dick for refusing, really, because the idiots in charge never should've even asked.
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LividLiquid posted:This argument would hold water if he left either way, but sticking around simply because he doesn't have to job to Bryan kind of pokes some holes in that particular water balloon. They were supposedly negotiating back and forth all weekend, I don't know why it means anything either way. If he wasn't happy with his situation negotiation would possibly fix that, if he just didn't want to job to the midget again then the negotiations clearly fixed that. Him staying doesn't really clarify it either way, it just means one side became happy with a situation they previously weren't happy with.
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Again, Dave Batista wasn't depushed and booked to lose matches because WWE decided to out of spite, it was because he came back out of shape, uninteresting, and barely trying, and the fans rightfully poo poo on him. There's a big difference between "the WWE didn't give him the spot he was promised" and "he drew such vicious X-Pac heat from the crowd every time he showed up that they had to re-book the main event of Wrestlemania around him". El Generico fucked around with this message at 10:54 on May 6, 2014 |
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El Generico posted:Again, Dave Batista wasn't depushed and booked to lose matches because WWE decided to out of spite, it was because he came back out of shape, uninteresting, and barely trying, and the fans rightfully poo poo on him. I'm more pissed at him for burying the roster on twitter and then coming out in such bad shape that Del Rio got heat.
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They really should have done Bryan versus Shemaus instead of loving Kane or Bootista, all you need for him to do is mention his 18 second victory at WM, have beat Bryan dirty as gently caress in a nontitle match and bam you got a good match lined up.
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El Generico posted:Again, Dave Batista wasn't depushed and booked to lose matches because WWE decided to out of spite, it was because he came back out of shape, uninteresting, and barely trying, and the fans rightfully poo poo on him. Del Rio literally did every single dirty heel tactic in their Elimination Chamber fight. And Motherfucking Alberto Del Rio still managed to get face heat over Batista.
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Every time Del Rio is brought up I feel compelled to rewatch one of his 2010 promos where he just wanders around his hacienda and talks about his virtues without ever saying one word about wrestling or other wrestlers. Cracks me up every time for some reason.
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Dexo posted:Del Rio literally did every single dirty heel tactic in their Elimination Chamber fight. And Motherfucking Alberto Del Rio still managed to get face heat over Batista. He got heat PERIOD.
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Psykmoe posted:Every time Del Rio is brought up I feel compelled to rewatch one of his 2010 promos where he just wanders around his hacienda and talks about his virtues without ever saying one word about wrestling or other wrestlers. The product of a superior education.
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All this talk about the Rhodes Brothers theme during his match. Never forget Cody's first theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRtLqgVDbM
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AMReese posted:All this talk about the Rhodes Brothers theme during his match. Never forget Cody's first theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRtLqgVDbM For some reason it's always irrationally bothered me how high the levels for the snare are in the mix of that song. It's like the producer balanced everything except for that one knob. My favorite Cody Rhodes theme will always be the grimdark version of Smoke and Mirrors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxiIHynLsYU
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sticklefifer posted:For some reason it's always irrationally bothered me how high the levels for the snare are in the mix of that song. It's like the producer balanced everything except for that one knob. The beginning sounded like gunfire to me, which might have been the intention. It's also not a Jim Johnston joint. Also, Undashing Cody Rhodes was his best gimmick, and his most memorable. I can't wait until he goes back to heel where he seems like a better fit.
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