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twistedmentat posted:And yea, Selena's turn was really confusing. She has always been independent, and was very clear she didn't want to tie herself down, but for some reason Fish had her lock and stock. Maybe it was a promise of glory and fortune, but it still seems out of character. Or getting a consistent shelter and an easier path to getting money than risk getting caught pickpocketing.
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twistedmentat posted:I was just thinking that Loeb won't be Commissioner much longer. He sided with Moroni against Falcone and personally showed up to the hospital with hitmen to try to get rid of Gordon, who straight up helped Falcone and earned his gratitude and respect. Unfortunately Falcone is out of the scene. I was sort of hoping that Falcone would sort of agree to stick around Gotham or a while to use his influence to 'protect' Gordon from the internal corruption threatening to get him ousted, try to undo the damage he'd done, etc. I'm sort of confused, though. Why would Gordon be 'out' after the mob war, anyway? He was a hero cop that took down a serial killer just days earlier and saved the life of a local rich girl. It's not like he botched the whole thing. I'm sort of thinking Loeb will be around as Commission for at least another season or two. Keeping in mind everyone who was a major player in the mob scene that he had ties to is now dead. While he doesn't have the support of the underworld like he used to, he similarly won't be beholden to the mob like he was in the past, either, maybe giving him an excuse to exercise more power. Add into that Penguin's rise to power might end up being supported by Loeb since Penguin knows about Loeb's daughter, Loeb's files on compromised cops, etc. Loeb ends up being in Penguin's pocket or vice versa. Makes me sort of wonder what Zsasz is going to end up doing. Working for Penguin, taking charge of his own mob, etc.
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farraday posted:Ok that rooftop confrontation was the worst god drat thing. Slapfight for the city of Gotham * Bruce continues to take cookies from enemies BUT HE WON'T ENJOY THEM
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May 6, 2015 02:15
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Selina: So what did you find in your Dad's secret cave he hid from you and your mother? Bruce: Stacks of bodybuilding magazines, which is weird because Dad didn't work out!
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May 6, 2015 02:18
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Honestly what they did with Selena this episode seemed like they didn't really have any other ideas of what to do with her. Which is dumb, have her hang out with Bruce and try to help find whatever it was that his dad had in that room. It would actually make the scene make his scene make more sense since she never met his father and didn't live in the mansion so she would know about the classical music or his father being a stoic.
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May 6, 2015 03:24
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Maybe she's dealing with murdering that guy. Nah. Makes too much sense.
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May 6, 2015 04:05
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Weird finale but not bad. I hate that they wrote themselves into a "Fish could totally come back" though. I wanted to see actual onscreen and thorough death. I'm talking wood chipper level here.
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May 6, 2015 04:59
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precision posted:Weird finale but not bad. I hate that they wrote themselves into a "Fish could totally come back" though. I wanted to see actual onscreen and thorough death. I'm talking wood chipper level here. You know she'd just come back with two blue eyes.
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May 6, 2015 05:56
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How can a show have such great characters like Penguin, Nygma and 'lil wayne, and at the same time terrible ones like Fish and Barbara? That finale was good. It could have been great if it wasn't so awkward.
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May 6, 2015 06:46
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Dalael posted:How can a show have such great characters like Penguin, Nygma and 'lil wayne, and at the same time terrible ones like Fish and Barbara? Well, those are the mains. So they probably spent more time getting the casting right. Nygma was so loving good throughout and his descent in the last few was amazing. As much as I like young Bruce, I hope they skip ahead a few years because the show will drag if it is just years of non-batman.
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Waltzing Along posted:Well, those are the mains. So they probably spent more time getting the casting right. Nygma was so loving good throughout and his descent in the last few was amazing. As much as I like young Bruce, I hope they skip ahead a few years because the show will drag if it is just years of non-batman. The show is now officially non-canon, put Bruce in the Batsuit when he hits 15.
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May 6, 2015 08:40
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Rarity posted:The show is now officially non-canon, put Bruce in the Batsuit when he hits 15. Bruce's father is revealed to be Batman. Season 2 is a flashback featuring Falcone, Wayne Sr and Gordon's dad. Along with headstrong rookie cop Harvey Bullock.
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May 6, 2015 09:28
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Bruceski posted:Bruce's father is revealed to be Batman. Season 2 is a flashback featuring Falcone, Wayne Sr and Gordon's dad. Along with headstrong rookie cop Harvey Bullock. Bruce's father did have a "bat" costume for a costume party, and ended up solving a crime while dressed in it at the party, so anything's possible!
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May 6, 2015 12:51
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When was the last we saw Ivy?
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Dr Christmas posted:When was the last we saw Ivy? "Red Hood", back in Feb, apparently.
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Yeah but how many episodes did they air since then as they took quite a while off.
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muscles like this? posted:Yeah but how many episodes did they air since then as they took quite a while off. There were only five episodes left after "Red Hood"
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I could have sworn Ivy made a brief appearance more recently than Red Hood, but can't remember where.Rarity posted:The show is now officially non-canon, put Bruce in the Batsuit when he hits 15. I'll allow it.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah I was so pleased about that - both because it was nice that Lee didn't need a man to save her, and that everybody was just like,"Well sure Barbara was at fault, it's Barbara!" They didn't even blink at the idea I liked the ending of them but the writing to get alone together is just horrible. The Medical Examiner doing aftercare screening of a "victim" and then PTSD therapy? That's CSI having their characters doing suspect interviews level of bullshit.
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Oh yeah, that was ridiculously stupid, in fact I was thrilled when at first Lee said,"Uhhh no, I've only got basic training in that field and there are far better qualified people". But then Barbara said,"But I trust you!" and Lee went,"Okay then!" which was pretty groanworthy. Lee just beating the poo poo out of her instead of being "saved" was both a nice change of pace from how things usually happen on TV shows, as well as further serving to prove how more capable Lee is than somebody like Barbara (who gets trolled by little kids) and how she isn't the wilting flower that Gordon sometimes tries to treat her as.
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Jerusalem posted:Oh yeah, that was ridiculously stupid, in fact I was thrilled when at first Lee said,"Uhhh no, I've only got basic training in that field and there are far better qualified people". But then Barbara said,"But I trust you!" and Lee went,"Okay then!" which was pretty groanworthy. So was Barbara not a victim of poor writing and her stupid actions though out the show simply because she is loving crazy? Also why exactly is Jim going to name some kid after a crazy person who killed her parents and tried to kill his girlfriend?
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Scapegoat posted:So was Barbara not a victim of poor writing She is completely a victim of poor writing, it's actually kind of remarkable how consistently poorly her character has been written, what stupid things she's been made to say and do. With the exception of perhaps Fish, every other character has had their ups and downs in terms of writing - sometimes really good, sometimes really bad, sometimes really stupid - but Barbara just gets the worst end of the stick constantly. Stuff like Lee being contrasted with Barbara as a more competent character goes to show they understand the issues with Barbara, but that just makes the consistency with which she's been badly written all the more baffling. But then, this is a baffling show, with weird tonal shifts and an inability to figure out what kind of atmosphere it wants to have and how seriously it wants to be taken.
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I know I've probably already voiced this, but I sort of wonder if the direction of the show changed a lot during the production cycle either due to some early audience reactions, the expanded season, or new ideas. I'm sort of trying to re-edit the season in my mind. I almost think you could have stood to lose the Circus episode entirely. Maybe a lot of episodes could have been more compressed and moved up in a different way. The Arkham assignment of Jim could have maybe worked as a season ending cliffhanger for the character as punishment by Loeb for his actions during the mob war instead of a mid-season "it lasted 1.5 episodes" thing. It sort of feels in some ways like the last episode was sort of them trying to just get things organized in a way to get us to quickly to the next part of the story and just accept what the new status quo is going to be going in and get rid of everything they weren't going to use in one fell swoop. The whole plot point about Bruce's Dad's secrets and secret lair felt very forced, like it was a very late idea that they'd just figured out but didn't have time to actually develop it in the season.
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I think it would've been more interesting if Bruce's parents had died at the end of the season rather than the beginning. If the show's going to show how Bruce becomes Batman it feels like his relationship with his parents should've been a bigger part of that, and if they'd been investigating the conspiracy with Gordon it would give him a reason to become engaged with Bruce.
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Crashbee posted:I think it would've been more interesting if Bruce's parents had died at the end of the season rather than the beginning. If the show's going to show how Bruce becomes Batman it feels like his relationship with his parents should've been a bigger part of that, and if they'd been investigating the conspiracy with Gordon it would give him a reason to become engaged with Bruce. This is really on point. Even knowing what was going to happen, we still would have become emotionally invested had it been done right. A missed opportunity.
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May 7, 2015 09:00
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The missed opportunity was not having the killer shoot Bruce, too, in the first episode. THAT might have been a cool show.
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#nextseasonongotham Bullock becomes the first Batman I am the night, Jerk-o!!
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gannyGrabber posted:#nextseasonongotham When Fish said we cool I honestly thought he was going to die in the episode and got sad. He is one of my favorite characters and want him to have a long life on this show.
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I wonder if we will be getting more Renee who is considered one of the show's cast members.
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I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, Jim is going to pick a different name for his daughter.
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May 7, 2015 17:32
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I hope in this show Bruce's father was literally Batman the First
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precision posted:I hope in this show Bruce's father was literally Batman the First Or at least has a prototype Jetcar he was tinkering with stored down there.
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Another thing they could have done is in every episode have them leaving the theatre so the audience would never know when it was going to happen. We'd expect it the first couple times but after a while it would become routine and then bang bang.
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May 7, 2015 18:58
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precision posted:I hope in this show Bruce's father was literally Batman the First 
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Phenotype posted:The missed opportunity was not having the killer shoot Bruce, too, in the first episode. Agreed. Not that Lil Wayne sucks or anything, he's great, but not being a countdown to Batman would only help this show. Jerusalem posted:Oh yeah, that was ridiculously stupid, in fact I was thrilled when at first Lee said,"Uhhh no, I've only got basic training in that field and there are far better qualified people". But then Barbara said,"But I trust you!" and Lee went,"Okay then!" which was pretty groanworthy. Ugh. Yeah, that entire scene was goddamn ridiculous. "You know me personally, I am dating your ex-fiance, and I'm literally not a trained counselor. There's no part of that which makes it ethical for me to counsel you. But sure, that seems fine." They didn't even need that pretense. They could've just had Barbara say, "I'm not ready for a counselor; I just want a friendly face and you seem like a kind person." All that needed to happen was for the two of them to be in a room together for 10 minutes.
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Barbara: Let's gently caress and make a video to tease Jim with. Lee: Hellz yeah!
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Jerusalem posted:Selina: So what did you find in your Dad's secret cave he hid from you and your mother? Tom using a dank cave as a secret fuckshack w/Fox is probably the most palatable explanation for a proto-bat cave.
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Xealot posted:Agreed. Not that Lil Wayne sucks or anything, he's great, but not being a countdown to Batman would only help this show. Yeah, I actually think he's one of the better actors on the show, but it would have been really interesting to see a Gotham that would not have to eventually be saved by Batman. It seriously ties their hands to have to keep everything mostly in canon so that the city will really need a Batman in ten years. I would have liked to see a show that actually gets to go through significant events in Gotham and show what Gordon can actually do to fix the city when they're not forced to maintain the status quo for the eventual savior that will never get to air.
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Phenotype posted:Yeah, I actually think he's one of the better actors on the show, but it would have been really interesting to see a Gotham that would not have to eventually be saved by Batman. It seriously ties their hands to have to keep everything mostly in canon so that the city will really need a Batman in ten years. I would have liked to see a show that actually gets to go through significant events in Gotham and show what Gordon can actually do to fix the city when they're not forced to maintain the status quo for the eventual savior that will never get to air. Yeah but we already know that no character is safe. Sal Maroni is really important, but he is now dead.
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Dalael posted:How can a show have such great characters like Penguin, Nygma and 'lil wayne, and at the same time terrible ones like Fish and Barbara? I don't think Nygma is such a great character, mainly because of the weird fake schizo stuff he was pulling in the finale. That's not how split personality works, hardly even in comicbook land. I'm a much bigger fan of him when he keeps undermining himself by doing stuff like what he did when he wrote that letter, but not when he then goes into his big dialogue with himself about why he did that or how screwed he is. As Riddler, he should've gotten a smug smile from her figuring things out, then entrapped her or posed a new riddle to her that would've stumped her in her investigation, proving how smart he was. Until she found the new clue he'd been forced to drop. Not because I want the show to adhere to the comic books or whatever, but because what we got in the show was just not very interesting. Penguin, Bruce, and at least in part Selena and Ivy are some pretty neat characters, while I'm slightly on the fence for both Alfred and Jim's new girlfriend. Bullock's a wild card, I sometimes like him and sometimes couldn't care less, depending on who's writing him. But getting rid of Barbara and possibly Fish are some of the show's best moves. They'd no idea what to do with either of them.
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